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Racerguy180 wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
Does seem mostly like a bunch of junk, honestly.

It's not deep strike BTW, it's the one that's limited to table edges, which makes it a lot worse. And why would you even want to deep strike poxwalkers anyway?

to put a problem in someone's face, just like da jump can put a shittonne of boys in your face.

Pretty much. It's Deep Strike Lite but it throws an immediate problem to the opponent since Poxwalkers aren't exactly the easiest thing to kill for the points, on top of them being immune to anything morale related. Chaos can get CP as well pretty easily.

But is it? You have a 30% chance of making the charge, and if you don't, they are slow enough that all the opponent has to do is move away from them and they will *never* make the charge. It's also super easy to screen out table edges even on a 6x4 board...with the new reduced dimensions, it'll be even easier.

I can see it being used if your opponent is careless enough to leave a table edge right behind their army open so you can then use it to force them towards your main force or to waste energy killing the unit. But they'd have to be pretty clumsy to do that, when they know you're planning it as soon as they see you DS the unit.

The sad truth of outflank is that it actually just makes people camp table edges more, when really it ought to punish them for doing it.

In 9th you can also literally outflank with every single unit in the game (though probably not with an automatic entrance on T2 on any board edge), so this seems like another one of those cases of "yeah, we totally designed this with 9th in mind! really! honest! oooo look over there squirrel! "

DG rules sound pretty nice. I already like my Plague Marines and now they get additional help. 5++ bubble, combined with Blight Hauler who gives them cover will make them tough against many weapons to support foot slogging strategies. Hitting with 4 attacks and blades of putrefaction will generate a nice amount of mortals.
Curious what else is in there for us.
New heavy weapon rules mean we'll need a new faction bonus, though.

yukishiro1 wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
Does seem mostly like a bunch of junk, honestly.

It's not deep strike BTW, it's the one that's limited to table edges, which makes it a lot worse. And why would you even want to deep strike poxwalkers anyway?

to put a problem in someone's face, just like da jump can put a shittonne of boys in your face.

Yes but boyz are actually a problem. They can make a charge, and they can actually hurt stuff.

Poxwalkers can't make a charge, and can't actually hurt stuff even if they do.

The whole point of the unit is to shield other stuff in your army. Just seems like a very strange thing to want to deepstrike.

I presume the point is to contest an upfield objective that the poxwalkers can't normally shamble to in time.

Objectives generally can't be placed within 9" of board edges either, though. So at best, you're DSing them T2, then shambling onto the objective T3.

But I admit, this is certainly a better call for how to use it than what's been brought up before. There's still the problem of being screened out, but if lots of people in 9th start dropping their screens because they think they don't need them any more, it might have some play.

It will be interesting to see what deathguard can do in the new edition. Increased range plague flamers is interesting, deep striking pox walkers are interesting as well.

Makes me wonder how detachments are gonna work for unlocking things, will they stay the same,

yukishiro1 wrote:
But is it? You have a 30% chance of making the charge, and if you don't, they are slow enough that all the opponent has to do is move away from them and they will *never* make the charge. It's also super easy to screen out table edges even on a 6x4 board...with the new reduced dimensions, it'll be even easier.

I can see it being used if your opponent is careless enough to leave a table edge right behind their army open so you can then use it to force them towards your main force or to waste energy killing the unit. But they'd have to be pretty clumsy to do that, when they know you're planning it as soon as they see you DS the unit.

The sad truth of outflank is that it actually just makes people camp table edges more, when really it ought to punish them for doing it.

In 9th you can also literally outflank with every single unit in the game (though probably not with an automatic entrance on T2 on any board edge), so this seems like another one of those cases of "yeah, we totally designed this with 9th in mind! really! honest! oooo look over there squirrel! "

That's a good thing though. Making the opponent camp means you potentially changed their whole deployment Strategy. Plus as I said Poxwalkers aren't that easy to remove for the points either.

 iGuy91 wrote:
For the love of the god emperor, can we get some kind of information about the bloody Custodes? I'm chomping at the bit to get information, and nobody seems to know anything about it.

This week. They do diferent factions different days. Before saturday GW has leaked what they will leak

tneva82 wrote:

 iGuy91 wrote:
For the love of the god emperor, can we get some kind of information about the bloody Custodes? I'm chomping at the bit to get information, and nobody seems to know anything about it.

This week. They do diferent factions different days. Before saturday GW has leaked what they will leak

Siisters of Silence first please

So are the DG not getting sub-faction traits? I couldn’t see any mention.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
So are the DG not getting sub-faction traits? I couldn’t see any mention.

No, but they'll get what Thousand Sons got. DG is already a subfaction, their Great Companies will probably be represented by additional Warlord traits and relics as you can see with the Life Eater in the preview.

new article up
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/10/creations-of-bile-new-rules-for-a-new-armygw-homepage-post-2/

Cool, more melee stuff for an army that can't get into melee outside ONE Stratagem that you can do for a whole army instead via Red Corsairs.

yea its bitter sweet you wanna go OOOO i'll slap these rules on my X legion and forget these rules replace world eaters KW etc.

Then you think, hmmm might be worth a cheeky patrol with some possesed to put this in but there is a CP charge for that in 9th.

A little boring for the faction of Bile.

Is the dude with the bones on his backpack new?

seems like a chaos sorcerer kitbash



: Also:
Faction of the dude wanting to create the crownjewel of genetical modified regular human

Not one interaction with cultists, the only regular humans in that faction.

Not Online!!! wrote:
seems like a chaos sorcerer kitbash

Yeah the backpack seems to be from a Wrack:

 Latro_ wrote:
yea its bitter sweet you wanna go OOOO i'll slap these rules on my X legion and forget these rules replace world eaters KW etc.

Then you think, hmmm might be worth a cheeky patrol with some possesed to put this in but there is a CP charge for that in 9th.

Bike should've been an Inquisitor equivalent to slap in different Legion armies on the cheap. Instead we get...this.

Edit: never mind. Misread.

 Galas wrote:
A little boring for the faction of Bile.

They couldn't have done it right without new models. Which makes me wonder why they did it at all- this is a pretty predictable 'counts as' list, where you're supposed to pretend that all the weird and wonderful stuff he can do is just marines and possessed with a couple stat bonuses.

Bile's new model is... fine, but there wasn't any reason to wrap an entire book around it if they're going to emphasize the separation between game and fluff.

Voss wrote:

 Galas wrote:
A little boring for the faction of Bile.

They couldn't have done it right without new models. Which makes me wonder why they did it at all- this is a pretty predictable 'counts as' list, where you're supposed to pretend that all the weird and wonderful stuff he can do is just marines and possessed with a couple stat bonuses.

Bile's new model is... fine, but there wasn't any reason to wrap an entire book around it if they're going to emphasize the separation between game and fluff.

Sell chaos models who decide to start army around these bonuses

Weird feeling really.

Don't think these rules are bad and there may be some interesting things you can do with them. Can I imagine a world where the basic Chainsword armed CSM is playable? Maybe.

But it seems like if this faction was going to exist, it should have been really focused on the fluff from Bile in the recent books - rather than "he's a mad scientist haha, moving on" from 15-20 years ago. That doesn't seem to be the case, and so feels like a missed opportunity. Its just another suite of buffs in Chaos's ever expanding roster of such things.

Buffs that, once again, only apply to infantry, bikers, and dreadnoughts. Not the whole army.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Buffs that, once again, only apply to infantry, bikers, and dreadnoughts. Not the whole army.

In this case, though, that at least makes sense. 'Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor not a mechanic!'

Voss wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Buffs that, once again, only apply to infantry, bikers, and dreadnoughts. Not the whole army.

In this case, though, that at least makes sense. 'Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor not a mechanic!'

Good one!

But how does it explain the dreadnoughts?

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Buffs that, once again, only apply to infantry, bikers, and dreadnoughts. Not the whole army.

In this case, though, that at least makes sense. 'Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor not a mechanic!'

Good one!

But how does it explain the dreadnoughts?

Have you seen a chaos dreadnought lately? Hellbrutes ain't exactly on the fully mechanical side...

Tyel wrote:
Weird feeling really.

Don't think these rules are bad and there may be some interesting things you can do with them. Can I imagine a world where the basic Chainsword armed CSM is playable? Maybe.

But it seems like if this faction was going to exist, it should have been really focused on the fluff from Bile in the recent books - rather than "he's a mad scientist haha, moving on" from 15-20 years ago. That doesn't seem to be the case, and so feels like a missed opportunity. Its just another suite of buffs in Chaos's ever expanding roster of such things.

Aren’t there going to be new rules for “Astartes chainswords” coming out soon? So extra str + whatever this updates are might make close combat CSM more viable

No wolves on Fenris wrote:
Aren’t there going to be new rules for “Astartes chainswords” coming out soon? So extra str + whatever this updates are might make close combat CSM more viable

I think Primaris will get "Heavy Chainswords" or something - I wouldn't bet on regular CSM getting the same.

Really its just points in the new world. The way chaos buff stacking sort of works, anything chainsword equipped CSM can do, possessed or berzerkers should be able to do better. If not, those units have problems.

The bile thing is neat that they are branching out a bit, but really who was like, "yo bro, you know what would be awesome? A Fibious Bile faction!" "Yea I know, I totally want that over having any love for renegade factions or having customizable CSM legion traits!"

It just seems really out of the blue, and unnecessary, especially since they did not even give a PA book release to two established factions (Harlies and DW).

Unless the rules are really good (not so far) I think a year from now people won't even remember that there is a Bile faction.