GW Preview 4th April 2020

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**posermcbogus**

God almighty is that Ephrael Stern mini one of the ugliest sisters GW have ever put out! Like, even the old metal Dialogus didn't look that bad - the direction of her hair is wonky as all hell, like she hairgelled down only half of her fringe, and the paper from the purity seals just obliterates other detail. What were they thinking?

AND WHAT WERE THEY THINKING displaying her next to comic artwork, where she's actually well-posed and looks halfway decent.

I LOVED Daemonifuge, it was such a brilliant bit of 40k fiction, and Stern was such a compelling and tragic hero. Even with how steep the price would inevitably be in Japan, if it even passingly resembled anything from the comic, I would have opened my wallet in a second, but this thing is fething awful, really the laziest incidence of ultradynamic design, and it's a shame, because I wish GW would spend more time fleshing out parts of the model line to have those unique quirks from the fluff and the lore, rather than just making everyone taller and undying.

Hard pass on 100% of the 40k stuff they've previewed.

**JSG**

godardc wrote:
People who aren't satisfied are probably never satisfied in their lives.

The prevalence of these pop psychology attacks on people unhappy with the reveals is interesting.

**BroodSpawn**

JSG wrote:
godardc wrote:
People who aren't satisfied are probably never satisfied in their lives.

The prevalence of these pop psychology attacks on people unhappy with the reveals is interesting.

And yet some of us were excited by a lot, but we can't be because according to places like this forum everything was trash and a waste of time. So. y'know, swings and roundabouts

**Darsath**

BroodSpawn wrote:
JSG wrote:
godardc wrote:
People who aren't satisfied are probably never satisfied in their lives.

The prevalence of these pop psychology attacks on people unhappy with the reveals is interesting.

And yet some of us were excited by a lot, but we can't be because according to places like this forum everything was trash and a waste of time. So. y'know, swings and roundabouts

I haven't seen many comments telling those who do like it that they're trash. In fact, I've seen the opposite a lot more.

**Inquisitor Gideon**

JSG wrote:
Sgt_Smudge wrote:
GaroRobe wrote:Wow, that is one toxic chat. This is why GW doesn't allow youtube comments :/
Yeah, the mod team have my most sincere respect for wading through that.

35,000 people didn't tune in to see two extras from LotR made into minis.

Speak for yourself.

**Tiberias**

Darsath wrote:
BroodSpawn wrote:
JSG wrote:
godardc wrote:
People who aren't satisfied are probably never satisfied in their lives.

The prevalence of these pop psychology attacks on people unhappy with the reveals is interesting.

And yet some of us were excited by a lot, but we can't be because according to places like this forum everything was trash and a waste of time. So. y'know, swings and roundabouts

I haven't seen many comments telling those who do like it that they're trash. In fact, I've seen the opposite a lot more.

It's the same thing everywhere. If you love what they have revealed and how they have handled it, some people will call you a shill and a GW fanboy who will love and buy everything the release. If you hate what they have done and how they treat certain faction, some people will call you salty nerd who hates everything and is never satisfied. As with most things there is some middle gound in all of this, but this is the internet, so someone will allways hate you and tell you that your opinions, and by extension you, are gak. Just like what you like, and dislike what you diskile, you won't convince anyone, especially not on this forum.

**BroodSpawn**

Darsath wrote:

I haven't seen many comments telling those who do like it that they're trash. In fact, I've seen the opposite a lot more.

I think you misconstrued what I said.
I didn't say people were calling 'us' trash for being excited by some of the reveals, just that a lot more people are calling the reveals trash/unexciting/boring/pointless when for a lot of people that's the opposite. So why should we get excited or talk about some of the reveals when it's going to just get dumped on as a 'bad/worthless' reveal.

**Darsath**

BroodSpawn wrote:
Darsath wrote:

I haven't seen many comments telling those who do like it that they're trash. In fact, I've seen the opposite a lot more.

I think you misconstrued what I said.
I didn't say people were calling 'us' trash for being excited by some of the reveals, just that a lot more people are calling the reveals trash/unexciting/boring/pointless when for a lot of people that's the opposite. So why should we get excited or talk about some of the reveals when it's going to just get dumped on as a 'bad/worthless' reveal.

I hope you're not seriously complaining that other people have a different opinion from yours.

**Tiberias**

BroodSpawn wrote:
Darsath wrote:

I haven't seen many comments telling those who do like it that they're trash. In fact, I've seen the opposite a lot more.

I think you misconstrued what I said.
I didn't say people were calling 'us' trash for being excited by some of the reveals, just that a lot more people are calling the reveals trash/unexciting/boring/pointless when for a lot of people that's the opposite. So why should we get excited or talk about some of the reveals when it's going to just get dumped on as a 'bad/worthless' reveal.

I think that is a valid point in general. There are surely many folks who love the blood bowl and lotr reveals, but I think it's fair to say that the 40k reveals were objectively quite weak, especiall considering how much they hyped this reveal cycle as the biggest evar.

Also if I was a harlequin or Deathwatch player, I'd be extremely pissed. They really did those two factions diry.

**JSG**

Tiberias wrote:
Darsath wrote:
BroodSpawn wrote:
JSG wrote:
godardc wrote:
People who aren't satisfied are probably never satisfied in their lives.

The prevalence of these pop psychology attacks on people unhappy with the reveals is interesting.

And yet some of us were excited by a lot, but we can't be because according to places like this forum everything was trash and a waste of time. So. y'know, swings and roundabouts

I haven't seen many comments telling those who do like it that they're trash. In fact, I've seen the opposite a lot more.

It's the same thing everywhere. If you love what they have revealed and how they have handled it, some people will call you a shill and a GW fanboy who will love and buy everything the release. If you hate what they have done and how they treat certain faction, some people will call you salty nerd who hates everything and is never satisfied. As with most things there is some middle gound in all of this, but this is the internet, so someone will allways hate you and tell you that your opinions, and by extension you, are gak. Just like what you like, and dislike what you diskile, you won't convince anyone, especially not on this forum.

True but the pathologizing of certain opinions is very much a one way thing. Saying a person will buy any old tat is different from implying they are bad people or deficient in some way.

**BroodSpawn**

Darsath wrote:

I hope you're not seriously complaining that other people have a different opinion from yours.

Feels like this is a rabbit hole. And/or bait.
TL;DR - some people did not like the reveals. Some did. Neither side should be attacked or 'feel bad' for it.

**Wunzlez**

New Lumineth people look great, I can see an easy headswap for the moo-cow hammer-smackers by swapping them out for the ones those spearmen have.

**bullyboy**

Irbis wrote:
changemod wrote:
Given that deathwatch and grey knights are subfactions of the inquisition, it’s kind of absurd to say bringing an inquisitor with them to battle is out of place.

Actually, both are equals of the Inquisition, and while they do often cooperate, it's not uncommon for Grand/Watch Master to tell the Inquisitor to get lost (or outright execute them for heresy). Especially seeing both run the kinds of combat missions where regular humans don't tend to last longer than a few seconds.

I am starting to really despise Kelly and Cruddace for their incompetence. How do you take cool, stealth, special forces faction that has more members than good half of the armies with books in the game, faction that 95% of the time operates alone, faction that has access to all Imperial (and a lot of xeno) technology, and decide 'meh, it's at best single squad ally fodder, oh, and let's give them worst access to weapon and wargear options in the game of all marines because FRAK YOU', peeing all over the fluff and feel of the army?

I especially like how there is whole range of new models perfect for DW (the SM vanguard) and DW have zero access to it because FRAK YOU, when even wolfwolfs can take everything in it despite the line being exact opposite of how SW think and fight - and being relegated to WD means no access still with 95% certainty...

Ah well, I'll keep my Deathwatch as narrative only. Going to be starting a DW RPG with buddies over Zoom tomorrow, never done it before, so at least it will give me my DW fix without buying new models....thanks GW!

**Darsath**

BroodSpawn wrote:
Darsath wrote:

I hope you're not seriously complaining that other people have a different opinion from yours.

Feels like this is a rabbit hole. And/or bait.
TL;DR - some people did not like the reveals. Some did. Neither side should be attacked or 'feel bad' for it.

Somewhat my point. You never were attacked for it. You even admitted it yourself. Your complaint was that too many people didn't like it. Which is a ridiculous thing to complain about.

**Dryaktylus**

I'm fine with the split - so I can see something new almost every weekend.

Sadly nothing new for Necromunda or BSF, but as I always liked Stern (and Bile) it's okay for me.

**ArcaneHorror**

I don't understand the hate for the Stern model. It looks very well-done and expressive. I will say, that WB model with the plasma pistol looks a bit silly with that head.

**Either/Or**

The complaints seem to largely be regarding the disparity between what was advertised and what was presented. What was shown today didn’t warrant the whole streamed video presentation. It felt like an addendum to last week, which was not bad, just not earth shattering. Also, the change to spread things over 4 weeks is totally reasonable given the larger life circumstance, it could have been communicated more clearly and save disappointment for folks. That being said, GW could have just pushed these out until May or something and people would have been even more bootytickled.

**Voss**

Meh. The title told me not to expect much (heroes, heretics and... a squirrel?), but it was still disappointing

The gargant video is clever, but I don't like the implication that these are all named characters (nor the following text, which implies that they'll be keeping the old dated and small giant as part of the army. He was a major improvement when released, but has no part in a modern army of proper giants).

I _really_ don't like the voucher thing. This isn't the time to tell people to burn their savings on future GW purchases.

**vipoid**

Is that Harlequin supposed to be an actual Eldar or has a human put on the costume?

**chaos0xomega**

changemod wrote:
Tastyfish wrote:
Sunny Side Up wrote:
Well, some of it pre-dates Corona by quite a lot.

Harlequins got left out of Vigilus too, and were struggling even back in the day when Endless Poxwalkers, Maelific Lords and Alpha Legion Cultist Rush was the speartip of competitive 40K.

And then you see pampered factions like Chaos get a full Vigilus book on their own, an entire 2.0 Codex, a double-treatment for Psychic Awakening, new models by the bucket every other week, all the while people playing Harlequins wait patiently on the promise / assumption that they would get ... something ... in PA this time.

At the very least, they could've just said last August that PA wouldn't include Deathwatch and Harlequins, but maybe we'll squeeze something into a White Dwarf? Why the deception for month upon months? Where's the "ideal-scenario-upside" to that? I see no way this could ever have not disappointed people, even if Corona never happened.

If you listen to the Voxcast with David Waugh, it's clear that a lot changed from the original intent of PA over the course of it's development. I almost get the vibe that there was going to be a Harlequin/Deathwatch book but scheduling of 9th ed (and potential Brexit outcomes, and now Corona virus) meant they couldn't fit an extra book in - didn't they say as much at the Preview, that they were going to cover every army in this but have now switched some armies to a WD release?

For Deathwatch it makes sense - why update them in a book just before 9th ed, and then release a ton of new marine stuff that they can't use. Do them instead as one of the first ones up in the new storyline perhaps?

The most baffling thing about all this 9th posting is the completely detached from reality idea 9th would invalidate any publications other than the old core book.

For me the most baffling thing is the insistence that 9th is real and confirmed despite any real evidence or verifiable rumors from a reliable source.

**Agamemnon2**

I've heard the plastic giant called many things, but "small"? That's a new one. I think it's a perfectly reasonable size.

**Mangod**

Wunzlez wrote:
New Lumineth people look great, I can see an easy headswap for the moo-cow hammer-smackers by swapping them out for the ones those spearmen have.

Yeah, these new Lumineth (the Auralan, I think it was?) have way better helmets than the Moo-hammers; I'm still weirded out by how high up the center of mass on those bull-crested helmets must be.

I'm really hoping for some Sons of Behemat spoilers in the near future - if we're lucky, it'll be one of those releases that can overlap between AoS and The Old World, like the Rockgut Troggoths/Stone Trolls.

**Kanluwen**

We've seen the Auralan Wardens and Vanari Dawnriders in-depth before. Not really anything earthshattering there.

What was new is the confirmation of a sweet, sweet army pack.

**Voss**

Agamemnon2 wrote:
I've heard the plastic giant called many things, but "small"? That's a new one. I think it's a perfectly reasonable size.

Reasonable for the time, yes. (Though even then, there was a lot of crap about how it was too small and the FW giant had a market) Given that this is going to be a new army, and the current design philosophy in GW is models really need to be knight sized (and the storybook pictures back this up), he's going to be an absolute runt.

And frankly the kit doesn't hold up anymore to modern standards of detail & etc.

Kanluwen wrote:

What was new is the confirmation of a sweet, sweet army pack.

2 units and a guy is pretty crap for a 'getting started' box, let alone an 'army pack.' Its more of a 'one-click buy all week one releases' in box form.

**Mr_Rose**

I will say there is one thing that is disappointing to me about this: that the Light of Eltharion is going to be box-exclusive for a while because I don’t want any of his accessory-elves, dammit!

**Undead_Love-Machine**

I'm really excited to get my hands on the Word bearers captain in power armour! Love all of the details on the armour, love the face too but I'm not quite sure what's going on with the skin?

It looks like the skin is being worn like a mask, to hide the demonic features beneath, does anybody have a better suggestion?

**Agamemnon2**

Voss wrote:
Agamemnon2 wrote:
I've heard the plastic giant called many things, but "small"? That's a new one. I think it's a perfectly reasonable size.

Reasonable for the time, yes. (Though even then, there was a lot of crap about how it was too small and the FW giant had a market) Given that this is going to be a new army, and the current design philosophy in GW is models really need to be knight sized (and the storybook pictures back this up), he's going to be an absolute runt.

And frankly the kit doesn't hold up anymore to modern standards of detail & etc.

I think them making an entire army of knight-sized gargant models is a terrible idea, but I'm sure those would sell to people with differing views.

**Overread**

Also everyone seems to be forgetting that GW and FW are giving people a 10% discount on store prices right now. That's pretty big news for direct order products and FW products which can only be bought through their respective webstores and where direct-order aren't discounted at 3rdparty stores (if they are its often only a few pennies off the price - so nothing like the 10% currently on offer).

Granted GW masked the offer a little - £50 vouchers giving you an extra £5 to spend - which is 10%.

NOTE I'm aware that store and online vouchers are their own thing. I BELIEVE that FW and GW store vouchers are DIFFERENT so if you want a FW model to buy get the vouchers from FW.

Considering many FW models get closer to the £100 or greater that's a £10 saving.

A neat idea from GW if they keep it going and marketing it right since it lets them continue to make sales; gamers get a discount and it helps cement a powerful re-start of GW's products flowing into customer hands when the lockdown ends.

**ThePorcupine**

As a harlequin player I feel physically ill after this update.

Not only are we not getting a book, but all signs point to our only named character being imperium only.

I can't think of how GW could feth us harder. I thought our codex release was bad, but I can't take another hit like this...

**Mr_Rose**

Agamemnon2 wrote:
Voss wrote:
Agamemnon2 wrote:
I've heard the plastic giant called many things, but "small"? That's a new one. I think it's a perfectly reasonable size.

Reasonable for the time, yes. (Though even then, there was a lot of crap about how it was too small and the FW giant had a market) Given that this is going to be a new army, and the current design philosophy in GW is models really need to be knight sized (and the storybook pictures back this up), he's going to be an absolute runt.

And frankly the kit doesn't hold up anymore to modern standards of detail & etc.

I think them making an entire army of knight-sized gargant models is a terrible idea, but I'm sure those would sell to people with differing views.

The old Marauder Miniatures Giant was too small, for sure. I mean he’d barely rate as a slightly lanky Ogre these days… but yeah, the current gargant kit is fine.

That said, arguing about the scale of the new gargant kit(s?) is a bit silly when we haven’t actually seen them. Just saying the current kit is part of the army is not really sufficient; how many armies have models that are all the same size?
They could just as easily claim that ‘regular’ aleguzzlers are exiled runts, or the gargant equivalents of students on gap-years going out into the realms to experience the world before returning home with intel on where the prime stompin’ targets are, if they really wanted to make some bigger boys and still keep them in the same army.