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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Especially as it’s the very same Them/They who apparently disappear hundreds of thousands each year.

Still, much as I poke fun at Conspiracy Theories, I do have genuine concern and regard for some of them and their mental health. You can tell when someone’s been suckered in by a sense of belonging, and it’s not nice to see.

Ive seen a "new" one crop up on my social media, especially among certain "groups" . . .

Many of y'all have undoubtedly seen a new spate of child-trafficking stuff. Now, the pizzagate and typical QAnon stuff is popping up and isn't new, but the new one is that I've a cousin who's shared vidoes showing how a certain brand of doll has "invisible" lingerie (the video creator does this "on camera" despite us viewers never seeing the water, bowl or anything other than her moving the doll off screen for a few seconds), and photographs of one "concerned" parent now linking Covid mask mandates to child-trafficking (using their own kid to "model" how one could theoretically duct tape a young childs mouth shut, and then cover it with a mask)


I do want to be absolutely clear here: I do think that trafficking, and trafficking of children especially is a major problem facing the world. . . What I do have issue with is the extent to which people are actively *looking* for conspiracy

Anyone find the facemasks to be a huge issue when wearing glasses ? Hate going shopping atm as I cant see anything lol.

Getting a little off-topic, but I hear you can cover the top exit of the mask with band-aid type stuff so your glasses don't fog up.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So, memes on Facebook insisting that any laws mandating the wearing of Masks aren’t to combat the spread of COVID-19, but a way to spot who’ll be a “a good little sheep” and “who’ll resist the NWO”....

If we assume that’s true and, you know, not utterly laughable, surely you’d want to wear a mask to hide in plain sight? And certainly not post online about how you’re onto Them?

But you can't be 'in' with the sheep, you've got to stand out from the conformists, by dressing and acting just like all the other goth/punk/metal kids!

Thats because they've never heard of the Grey Man concept.

The most plausible mask CS is they are refining their non visual recognition tracking. Gait analysis, phome movement logging and the like. There is literally nothing a "covid scare" can't allow a government/they to do that they couldn't do already.

Never mind that they’re often posting to social media, using mobile devices.

I mean, it’s not as if youtube, Facebook, tiktok et al track us. Not at all!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Never mind that they’re often posting to social media, using mobile devices.

I mean, it’s not as if youtube, Facebook, tiktok et al track us. Not at all!

But where can they fight the tyranical [insert conspiracy group of your choice] conspiracy? where else? What do you mean they'd have to get on their asses and out of the basement dwelling they have?

 Argive wrote:
Anyone find the facemasks to be a huge issue when wearing glasses ? Hate going shopping atm as I cant see anything lol.

Yes, but it fixes itself eventually in most cases as your glasses reach ambient temperature. The issue is caused by the temperature differential between the air and the lenses. I find after about 4-5 minutes it pretty much fixes itself. Breathing out through my mouth also seems to help for some reason.

I got one.

I've been listening to a book on the history of the Samurai that's really more of a vague history of Japan than anything but that works for me.

Anyway, one of the biggest and most romanticized figures of Japanese history is Minomoto Yoshitsune. I'd keep it short and say "he's Japanese Achilles" cause I think that gets the basic idea across best. He was a warrior in their Medieval period and he died after the Genpei War in what is generally regarded as a tragedy (his brother decided he should die, TLDR).

Anyway, years ago I heard someone talking about a theory that there were people who thought Yoshitsune didn't actually die. That he escaped his pursuers and made it to China and then Mongolia where he reappeared as Genghis Khan. Apparently the two men were roughly the same age - Yoshitsune was in his early 20s when he died and Khan was in his early 20s when he first appears in the historical record and they come in 'back-to-back'.

For a long time I assumed this was a more modern fringe idea, maybe connected to long standing feuding between Japan, Korea, and China.

Apparently I was wrong.

When the Mongols were setting out to invade Japan in the 13th century, people in Japan at the time believed this; that Genghis Khan was Yoshitsune and that the mongols were coming to Japan as part of some long revenge plot against the Kamakura shogunate (whose founder was the brother caused Yoshitsune's 'death'). The author didn't spend much time on this but I wish he'd spent more. Here we have a 13th century conspiracy theory about a then increasingly unpopular government mixed in with a romantic culture hero from the past, strung along by the thinnest string of facts.

So yeah. Chew on that one XD

That’s actually a pretty cool theory. Like a historical “Gaddafi was actually Lord Lucan” type thing.

Will defo read more into it.

And in terms of the failed Mongol invasion of Japan, there was (is?) a really cool documentary which covered it from an archaeological point of view.

Essentially, the remains of the Mongol fleet has been found. Curiously, the wrecks share commonalities. Anchor chains laid out in the same rough direction, leading to the sunken ships. Flat. Bottomed. Ships.

That’s a design good for Canals, as you don’t need deep water, but utterly unsuited for open seas.

I can’t recall if it’s a fringe theory or not, but there’s a suggestion the Mongols were betrayed by their conquered Chinese shipwrights, who sure as heck built the invasion fleet, but went with a crap design.

Whether outright malice, or “do you want it done quickly, or correctly”, who knows? Still one of my favourite historical facts/theories.

Also where the Divine Wind thing entered Japanese folklore (apparently). Couple of early skirmishes on land saw the `Mongols driven back to their ships to reconsider approach. That night, massive storm, entire flat bottomed fleet capsized.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Essentially, the remains of the Mongol fleet has been found. Curiously, the wrecks share commonalities. Anchor chains laid out in the same rough direction, leading to the sunken ships. Flat. Bottomed. Ships.

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I can’t recall if it’s a fringe theory or not, but there’s a suggestion the Mongols were betrayed by their conquered Chinese shipwrights, who sure as heck built the invasion fleet, but went with a crap design.

The book I'm reading is A Brief History of the Samurai (the 'brief' deserves emphasis, it is a tightly packed book), and the author Jonathan Clements, mentions this.

The theory he describes is that the Mongols were in a rush and basically brow beat Chinese and Korean troops into using whatever was available. This meant they ended up using a large number of river boats from the Yangtze. He doesn't mention any conspiracies but I could see that being an idea someone has. The book is a 'brief' history. He admits upfront he doesn't have time to cover everything and most historical events have multiple competing ideas for why things happened the way they did..

Also where the Divine Wind thing entered Japanese folklore (apparently). Couple of early skirmishes on land saw the `Mongols driven back to their ships to reconsider approach. That night, massive storm, entire flat bottomed fleet capsized.

The version covered in the book above is that this was a bit of after-war romanticism. There were some storms and they did help the Japanese repel the Mongols. Fear of a return dominated Japan's international affairs for decades after though, and the government actually ordered people to pray for deliverance. This ever present fear and paranoia morphed overtime into an exaggerated narrative of the gods saving Japan, helped by some of the Samurai who led the battles against the Mongols falling out of political favor in the following years so no one really wanted to credit them with turning back the invasion.

A cultural belief that would have a profound effect on world history centuries later; the Japanese of WW2 firmly believed that the mainland could not be conquered and would fight tooth and nail to defend it. A proper invasion would have caused immense loss of life, not to mention resources and time. The US resorted to another option.

History is interesting.

 LordofHats wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Essentially, the remains of the Mongol fleet has been found. Curiously, the wrecks share commonalities. Anchor chains laid out in the same rough direction, leading to the sunken ships. Flat. Bottomed. Ships.

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I can’t recall if it’s a fringe theory or not, but there’s a suggestion the Mongols were betrayed by their conquered Chinese shipwrights, who sure as heck built the invasion fleet, but went with a crap design.

The book I'm reading is A Brief History of the Summary (the 'brief' deserves emphasis, it is a tightly packed book), and the author Jonathan Clements, mentions this.

The theory he describes is that the Mongols were in a rush and basically brow beat Chinese and Korean troops into using whatever was available. This meant they ended up using a large number of river boats from the Yangtze. He doesn't mention any conspiracies but I could see that being an idea someone has. The book is a 'brief' history. He admits upfront he doesn't have time to cover everything and most historical events have multiple competing ideas for why things happened the way they did..

Also where the Divine Wind thing entered Japanese folklore (apparently). Couple of early skirmishes on land saw the `Mongols driven back to their ships to reconsider approach. That night, massive storm, entire flat bottomed fleet capsized.

The version covered in the book above is that this was a bit of after-war romanticism. There were some storms and they did help the Japanese repel the Mongols. Fear of a return dominated Japan's international affairs for decades after though, and the government actually ordered people to pray for deliverance. This ever present fear and paranoia morphed overtime into an exaggerated narrative of the gods saving Japan, helped by some of the Samurai who led the battles against the Mongols falling out of political favor in the following years so no one really wanted to credit them with turning back the invasion.

A most triumphant post!

Whilst my memory is clearly imperfect, at least I can be reasonably sure I didn’t hallucinate the documentary! Granted it’s not a conspiracy theory, but it’s a bloody interesting bit of history.

I only just not noticed in your post Doc that my post autocorrected 'Samurai' into 'Summary'. I fething hate autocorrect.

To be fair, there’s a fair amount of folk who can’t handle a summary? Spesh, in the context of this thread (but not the posters therein) when it’s a summary of their own stupid arguments.

All this talk of the Samurai has reminded me that there is a fanatic base in Japan who do not believe massacres such as Nanking ever happened.

It kind of feeds of the whole Japan was not the aggressor idea which is also a thing.

True, but I fear further discussion on a sadly real issue is somewhat more political than is comfortable.

Form those wondering why, I’m fairly sure a cursory Google will serve you well.

But, for this thread, such topics are a political cul de sac.

 Mr. Burning wrote:
All this talk of the Samurai has reminded me that there is a fanatic base in Japan who do not believe massacres such as Nanking ever happened.

It kind of feeds of the whole Japan was not the aggressor idea which is also a thing.

Lack of history classes?

Folks. Let’s move on from that topic, as it’s utterly awful, and not suited to Dakka.

Has anyone seen this recent resurgence in the pedophile-elite conspiracy theories? One of my friends on FB started posting all these memes about the “elite” trying to normalize pedaphilia. This person seems fired up enough to shoot up a pizza parlor if someone were to point her at it.

Oh that’s part and parcel of the Qanon idiocy.

I’ll post in greater depth tomorrow, when these lovely beers have worn off.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Has anyone seen this recent resurgence in the pedophile-elite conspiracy theories? One of my friends on FB started posting all these memes about the “elite” trying to normalize pedaphilia. This person seems fired up enough to shoot up a pizza parlor if someone were to point her at it.

Go and browse r/Conspiracy on reddit. It is pretty much the only stuff posted there anymore from what I have seen

It seems like a very dangerous way to view the world, and one that threatens to spill over into sectarian violence as soon as some cynical jerk starts tying “elite” to real groups like the Jews, the LGBT community, Catholics or some other minority.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
It seems like a very dangerous way to view the world, and one that threatens to spill over into sectarian violence as soon as some cynical jerk starts tying “elite” to real groups like the Jews, the LGBT community, Catholics or some other minority.

Surely nobody would try to link the Cult of Rome with that sort of thing...

The Event does seemed to have ramped up the levels of wackadoodle, of course the shambles of 9th is part of the distraction agenda

We discussed it a few pages back, not specifically about the global elite and pizza gate etc etc, but in regards to allegations made against the british government and the aftermath of operation yewtree and its associated operations looking into westminster etc.

I personally think there is truth to a fair amount of it, no smoke without a fire etc, and if Ghislaine Maxwell makes it to trial or not will be very interesting. I genuinely will be amazed if she is put on trial and all possible charges are brought to bear against her including all the evidence... I mean, they can't really go and repeat what they did with Epstein after all the press it has accrued. Trump has flat out chosen to deny/ignore she has been arrested on these charges in the media for example, saying he 'wishes her well' when asked about her, there's lots of weirdness going on with it all.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
It seems like a very dangerous way to view the world, and one that threatens to spill over into sectarian violence as soon as some cynical jerk starts tying “elite” to real groups like the Jews, the LGBT community, Catholics or some other minority.

Oh, they do. A lot of them full on believe that there are satanic paedophilic sex cults in the world, that Hollywood is involved with, along with jews, the illuminati etc.

Makes me pity them, that is a horrid reality to live in.

 Mr. Burning wrote:
All this talk of the Samurai has reminded me that there is a fanatic base in Japan who do not believe massacres such as Nanking ever happened.

Dunno about conspiracies but, when I was in undergrad, I took a course called "Revolutionary China" (the area and timeframe should be somewhat obvious. . . but if it isn't, we're looking at predominately 20th century, rise of Mao and beyond history) and this event was a topic of discussion one evening. Our professor drug out some translated official documents from both the Chinese and Japanese governments. . . Basically, working in Japan's "favor" (if we can call it such) is that when China is asking for reparations for Nanking, Japan replies, "if we killed so many people, where are the bodies?"

Which, lets be honest, that is the perfect response for generating Conspiracy Theorist discussion, because while it is true that hardly any, if any bodies were ever recovered, the Chinese argument that they were so totally destroyed by Japanese action, that there's really no way for either side to generate the physical "proof" that Japan was demanding.


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Has anyone seen this recent resurgence in the pedophile-elite conspiracy theories? One of my friends on FB started posting all these memes about the “elite” trying to normalize pedaphilia. This person seems fired up enough to shoot up a pizza parlor if someone were to point her at it.

I made a post at the top of the page about the very subject. . . specifically as it relates to some of the ridiculous content I've been exposed to by erstwhile well meaning family relations.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Has anyone seen this recent resurgence in the pedophile-elite conspiracy theories? One of my friends on FB started posting all these memes about the “elite” trying to normalize pedaphilia. This person seems fired up enough to shoot up a pizza parlor if someone were to point her at it.

Go and browse r/Conspiracy on reddit. It is pretty much the only stuff posted there anymore from what I have seen

Reddit killed r/The_Donald and r/QAnon, as well as all their affiliated subs a month-ish back? They all went onto r/Conservative for a bit. Then r/Conservative started banning them because they didn't want to get banned for the same reasons (mostly 'inciting violence'), and now it seems they've all consolidated on r/Conspiracy or they've simply left reddit altogether.

I hope the FBI is keeping track of where they went.

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