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 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Insectum7 wrote:Because there aren't many swords in Call of Duty, and giant swords are anti-tacticool.

I don't remember hand flamers, thunder hammers, Librarians, plasma weaponry, and power fists in Call of Duty, or them being tacticool.

But, come to think of it, I don't remember massive swords on Scouts either, the equivalent unit to the Infiltrators/Incursors/Eliminators.

So, unless you're implying that the Phobos range is all that the Primaris have (which would be absurd, and horrifically incorrect), I'm not sure how important those above units having giant swords is, or how it's suddenly a giant faux-pas.

Do note, I definitely do want a Primaris CC unit. Shields, preferably. Also, I'd have loved Reivers to have something like combat axes or hatchets, just something with a bit more oomf. At least their weapon has the same profile as a chainsword, and it's not hard to do a weapon swap conversion.

By shields I assume you mean storm shields? So a 2W, 2A model with a 3++? Assuming storm shields remain 2 points that's 19ppm on an intercessor with a chain sword. Looking for some baby terminators are you?

Storm shields, combat shields, boarding shields, I don't care. I just want shields, and I don't care how expensive they are in game.

Ah, so more about models than rules. Personally I always preferred the look of boarding shields. Not sure what price and rules for them would be in 8th edition.

Aggressor equivalents would be the perfect profile to try and represent a shield with that additional +1T/W. I would think an Alexis Pollux kinda thing, with a Shield, Fist (or Sword, as the Custodes ones are pretty darn big) and a giant gun coming out of one of them or both!

Maybe. Personally, since intercessors already take design cues from mark IV armour, I'd like to see a cc primaris shield unit that takes aspects from mark III armour, like breacher squads.

Though another primaris unit that borrows from the hh units would make me a bit jealous that csm still have nothing similar.

Actually, since I'm a total sucker for Mk3, I'm just using Mk3 Boarding Shield dudes for my Intercessor stand-ins.

 Hellebore wrote:
We're now in the knifeocene where combat tacticool knives are where it's at.

The knives that reivers have would make Dundee blush so I don't think it's fair to call them tacticool when it's closer to a machete or a dagger

There should be an assault intercessor unit that has these weapon options:

- Chainsword + Heavy bolt pistol
- 2x chainsword
- Chainsword + shield (that gives +1 armor save or +1T)
- 2h weapon with extra str and ap

There could be a Troops version, and a Fast Version with jump packs. Perhaps elite version with power weapons.

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
There should be an assault intercessor unit that has these weapon options:

- Chainsword + Heavy bolt pistol
- 2x chainsword
- Chainsword + shield (that gives +1 armor save or +1T)
- 2h weapon with extra str and ap

There could be a Troops version, and a Fast Version with jump packs. Perhaps elite version with power weapons.

As long as it's not chainglaives. It's already annoying enough that disco lords get them but Night Lords don't.

Unless it's a Night Lords disco lord of course. But Night Lords shouldn't have daemons so....

 fraser1191 wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
We're now in the knifeocene where combat tacticool knives are where it's at.

The knives that reivers have would make Dundee blush so I don't think it's fair to call them tacticool when it's closer to a machete or a dagger

Given GW pumps weapon scale by 150+%, they're steak knives. They look smaller than the ones Scouts have.


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 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
There should be an assault intercessor unit that has these weapon options:

- Chainsword + Heavy bolt pistol
- 2x chainsword
- Chainsword + shield (that gives +1 armor save or +1T)
- 2h weapon with extra str and ap

There could be a Troops version, and a Fast Version with jump packs. Perhaps elite version with power weapons.

Soo. . . . Vanguard with +1W.

Or Bikes with a crappier gun.

 Insectum7 wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
We're now in the knifeocene where combat tacticool knives are where it's at.

The knives that reivers have would make Dundee blush so I don't think it's fair to call them tacticool when it's closer to a machete or a dagger

Given GW pumps weapon scale by 150+%, they're steak knives. They look smaller than the ones Scouts have.


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 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
There should be an assault intercessor unit that has these weapon options:

- Chainsword + Heavy bolt pistol
- 2x chainsword
- Chainsword + shield (that gives +1 armor save or +1T)
- 2h weapon with extra str and ap

There could be a Troops version, and a Fast Version with jump packs. Perhaps elite version with power weapons.

Soo. . . . Vanguard with +1W.

Or Bikes with a crappier gun.

You made me curious about that so I checked. Reivers knives and scout knives are the exact same size.

The general theme of Primaris is that they have similar roles but they don't overlap too much to invalidate other units so they'd never do that. Also c'mon even you'd fawn over Primaris welding eviserators

 fraser1191 wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
We're now in the knifeocene where combat tacticool knives are where it's at.

The knives that reivers have would make Dundee blush so I don't think it's fair to call them tacticool when it's closer to a machete or a dagger

Given GW pumps weapon scale by 150+%, they're steak knives. They look smaller than the ones Scouts have.


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 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
There should be an assault intercessor unit that has these weapon options:

- Chainsword + Heavy bolt pistol
- 2x chainsword
- Chainsword + shield (that gives +1 armor save or +1T)
- 2h weapon with extra str and ap

There could be a Troops version, and a Fast Version with jump packs. Perhaps elite version with power weapons.

Soo. . . . Vanguard with +1W.

Or Bikes with a crappier gun.

You made me curious about that so I checked. Reivers knives and scout knives are the exact same size.

The general theme of Primaris is that they have similar roles but they don't overlap too much to invalidate other units so they'd never do that. Also c'mon even you'd fawn over Primaris welding eviserators

I’d love a kit that gave you the choice of eviscerator, large power claymore, or great power axe.

Where are the primaris bikers? That would be a great unit to put melee weapons on.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Where are the primaris bikers? That would be a great unit to put melee weapons on.

While I would prefer jump pack choppy guys, bikes make more sense from a market POV.

They have gone out of their way not to overtly step on toes. Bikes have always been the more shooty marine FA choice (compared to assault marines, etc). But having Primaris bikes as a CC unit would let them exist with old marines, without directly competing with them.

If they go with inceptor like jump units, and want to make them CC, they would probably either want to go sword and board, or a large hafted weapon. I just don’t see them getting both hands on a narrow grip weapon like the existing evisorators. Heavy thunder hammers could be a lot of fun. Bring “Meteoric Descent” and “Crushing Charge” to a new level.

If they go with a more light weight assault unit, based on the supressor flight system, I think giant chanswords could be a whole lot of awesome.

 fraser1191 wrote:

You made me curious about that so I checked. Reivers knives and scout knives are the exact same size.

Eh, fair enough. obviously they look way bigger on the Scouts.

 fraser1191 wrote:
Also c'mon even you'd fawn over Primaris welding eviserators

Not a chance

For starters I already have Terminators with Thunder Hammer and Storm Shields.

 Nevelon wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
I converted some Vexatrix Guard for my Ultramarines army from bits I had laying around. A couple spare Primaris Lieutenants from Dark Imperium, replace their heads with those from the Venerable Dreadnought, give them a Custodes storm shield, and a Grey Knights Terminator broadsword. They look beefy as all heck. Primaris with 2+ saves, storm shields, and giant power swords.

Pics or it didn’t happen.

Sounds awesome, interested in seeing how they turned out.

Ask and you shall receive. Sorry for their primered nature, I haven't gotten around to the painting yet.

No need to apologize.

They look very cool, thanks for sharing.

 Apple Peel wrote:

I’d love a kit that gave you the choice of eviscerator, large power claymore, or great power axe.

That's what I'm talking about!

 Nevelon wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Where are the primaris bikers? That would be a great unit to put melee weapons on.

While I would prefer jump pack choppy guys, bikes make more sense from a market POV.

They have gone out of their way not to overtly step on toes. Bikes have always been the more shooty marine FA choice (compared to assault marines, etc). But having Primaris bikes as a CC unit would let them exist with old marines, without directly competing with them.

If they go with inceptor like jump units, and want to make them CC, they would probably either want to go sword and board, or a large hafted weapon. I just don’t see them getting both hands on a narrow grip weapon like the existing evisorators. Heavy thunder hammers could be a lot of fun. Bring “Meteoric Descent” and “Crushing Charge” to a new level.

If they go with a more light weight assault unit, based on the supressor flight system, I think giant chanswords could be a whole lot of awesome.

This is what I want, Close combat options for Inceptors (I suppose something like this might come from the rumoured Gravis release) and an option for Reivers to have power weapons so that they’re actually a threat in assault and I’d be very happy.

All I want is: everything in the Oldmarine range but with the scale and statlines of Primaris. Is that too much to ask?

 Ginjitzu wrote:
All I want is: everything in the Oldmarine range but with the scale and statlines of Primaris. Is that too much to ask?

nope not at all. I suspect it won't happen mind you but I hope they at least cover the "bases that work"

Ask and ye shall recieve:

There is what, five? guys in that pic who don’t have swords?

And I woudn’t put it past the ancient to have one somewhere. And the chaplain gets a free pass for having his crozius.

So just the 3 gravis guys with the melta, maybe the banner.

Let the stabbing commence!

I'm honestly more excited about the Primaris Bikers than anything else in that pic, although I really want to know what the Melta-Gravis guys are armed with.

Probably useless melta weapons.

The Newman wrote:
I'm honestly more excited about the Primaris Bikers than anything else in that pic, although I really want to know what the Melta-Gravis guys are armed with.

Honestly, everything in that picture excites me more than it should. The gravis guys the least as models, but as a primaris AV unit, welcome to the roster.

It’s going to be some new bespoke gun. Bigger then a normal melta, but not as big as a multimelta. Not a lot of room in the design space to work with. I’m guessing assault 1 18” normal melta statline. Maybe a special rule on the unit, like shooting twice if standing still.

yep there is a close up of the mohawk guy. it is a melta weapon.

At worse he looks cool. but I also think that such kits always come with 2 weapon sets. So maybe the other one is going to be some cool grav cannon or a vulkite thingy.

Karol wrote:
yep there is a close up of the mohawk guy. it is a melta weapon.

At worse he looks cool. but I also think that such kits always come with 2 weapon sets. So maybe the other one is going to be some cool grav cannon or a vulkite thingy.

Depends if this is the monopose starter. In which case you’ll be able to get the melta cheep, but if you want the better weapon options, you will need to get the full priced, full option kit when it eventually comes out.

Welp looks like what I wanted to see is coming, happy the primaris has melee and bikes now.

it's pretty clear that these guys form the basis of the primaris "close assault cadre" space wolf, blood angel and black templars look upon your future!

 Nevelon wrote:

Depends if this is the monopose starter. In which case you’ll be able to get the melta cheep, but if you want the better weapon options, you will need to get the full priced, full option kit when it eventually comes out.

It's extremely unlikely to not be the monopose starter.

However we might just have seen what the Suppressors are going to get dual-kitted with in the form of these "Hellfuries".

These guys all look pretty ornate.
There seems to be a focus on melee weaponry (shields and swords, oh my!)
Bikers, and they're groundbound too!

Aside from jump pack melee, what are the Primaris lacking compared to oldMarines?


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

Depends if this is the monopose starter. In which case you’ll be able to get the melta cheep, but if you want the better weapon options, you will need to get the full priced, full option kit when it eventually comes out.

It's extremely unlikely to not be the monopose starter.

However we might just have seen what the Suppressors are going to get dual-kitted with in the form of these "Hellfuries".

I don't think the Suppressors will be coupled with those Gravis guys with meltas.

Suppressors don't wear Gravis armour, and fly, unlike these guys (who I'm fairly sure are Hellfuries). A combined kit between the two would have so many redundant bits, it would be impractical for GW.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

Depends if this is the monopose starter. In which case you’ll be able to get the melta cheep, but if you want the better weapon options, you will need to get the full priced, full option kit when it eventually comes out.

It's extremely unlikely to not be the monopose starter.

However we might just have seen what the Suppressors are going to get dual-kitted with in the form of these "Hellfuries".

Considering the melta squad (likely Hellfuries) are wearing Gravis armor and Suppressors are in Omnis, which are very different from one another, there is like 0% chance of that.


Also, remember when you said that fuzzy picture of Primaris bikes was just either a Photoshop or came from and existing codex? Yeah, how you feeling about that one now..?

Jack Flask wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

Depends if this is the monopose starter. In which case you’ll be able to get the melta cheep, but if you want the better weapon options, you will need to get the full priced, full option kit when it eventually comes out.

It's extremely unlikely to not be the monopose starter.

However we might just have seen what the Suppressors are going to get dual-kitted with in the form of these "Hellfuries".

Considering the melta squad (likely Hellfuries) are wearing Gravis armor and Suppressors are in Omnis, which are very different from one another, there is like 0% chance of that.

Codex: Space Marines page 76 wrote:
They go to battle clad in Omnis-pattern armour, which is created by blending elements of the heavier Gravis pattern and the lighter Phobos pattern over the Mk X armour exoskeleton.

Weirder stuff has been doubled up than a kit which requires a Grav-Chute(which is just a backpack topper at best), a variant gun, and different bits bolted onto the lower legs and front torso/wrists.

Also, remember when you said that fuzzy picture of Primaris bikes was just either a Photoshop or came from and existing codex? Yeah, how you feeling about that one now..?

Probably the same way you'll feel realizing that "Omnis pattern" literally has Gravis and Phobos bits. If you want to talk smack?

It helps to not be wrong right before it.

For the record? I never said it came from "an existing codex". I said it looked familiar and like something from one of the supplemental bits.

I have a supressor sitting on my desk, the only part of gravis armor they have is the feet. and in the case of supressors they use the "Gravis flight feet" we see on inceptors, so they literally share no parts with a standard gravis ground unit.