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Indeedy. Definitely one the best things about Apocalypse. Taking extensive early casualties is still going to be a problem later in the game, but nowhere near as outright disastrous as now.

Also helps prevent or at least reduce resentment at paying good money for a unit which is repeatedly smashed to bits in the first turn, game in, game out,

And hey, unit wound counters of some description are another tool you can sell folks.

If that PDF link stops working, here's are pics:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Indeedy. Definitely one the best things about Apocalypse. Taking extensive early casualties is still going to be a problem later in the game, but nowhere near as outright disastrous as now.

Also helps prevent or at least reduce resentment at paying good money for a unit which is repeatedly smashed to bits in the first turn, game in, game out,

And hey, unit wound counters of some description are another tool you can sell folks.

If it went that way hopefully los blocking terrain goes reduced though or alpha strike to win becomes beta strike to win and gives incentive to not move from dz or get blown.

Wishing for AA or D12s is as futile as people claiming the Old World might be 10mm. It just won’t happen. GW gonna GW.

Still, 8th has been hella fun so a tidy-up and refresh is fine in my book.

tneva82 wrote:
Would flip balance toward going second certainly. Hides most army, 1st going can't shoot much and without it removing return fire gets shot back

Which is why KT-like activation system (adding alternating across all phases, including movement) would be boss.

Time to shut this down and start the new thread I think. Any objections?

Not I.

 dadamowsky wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Would flip balance toward going second certainly. Hides most army, 1st going can't shoot much and without it removing return fire gets shot back

Which is why KT-like activation system (adding alternating across all phases, including movement) would be boss.

It would slow down the game imho

Apologies if this has been posted already

That looks promising and worring in equal amounts.

Oh look; new Primaris melee veterans...

 Marshal Loss wrote:


Apologies if this has been posted already

Are those War of the Worlds style tripods??

Looks like every fist-generation Necron plastic kit updated, plus primarch-sized King, terrain and the tripod.

WTF is that! [in a good way]

Looks good for Necrons- I hope they give us a teaser of some new models for some of the factions. I'm mostly interested in the fluff development and new models - really hoping they revamp some Nids/ evolve them forward..

Bigger version, same quality



Looks like Silent King in the top right corner

WTF is that! [in a good way] Looks really impressive for Necrons..the towering figures look excellent..

Looks good for Necrons- I hope they give us a teaser of some new models for some of the factions. I'm mostly interested in the fluff development and new models - really hoping they revamp some Nids/ evolve them forward like they seem to have done for Necrons..

Yeah that looks like a floating throne. Thought it's terrain but that's probably the king. So the left of him is a Void Dragon / plastic C'tan?

Hmm hoping its the resolution but that cover does not look good.

 Aenar wrote:

 dadamowsky wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Would flip balance toward going second certainly. Hides most army, 1st going can't shoot much and without it removing return fire gets shot back

Which is why KT-like activation system (adding alternating across all phases, including movement) would be boss.

It would slow down the game imho

I hear this argument a lot, but it all comes down to the time sinks. And the biggest time sinks are decision making and rolling+rerolling buckets of dice. Decision making is already being addressed at events with chess clocks, and rolling... well, it will most probably stay with us no matter the activation model. In the very worst-case scenario events, where time-frame matters, will cut points - to 1750 or something. Things we can get from alternate activation are far superior IMO - actual play and counter-play, instead of winning at list-building stage or executing turn-wide combos, for instance.

Spidery robots look good, bulky mega-cron and the winged c'tan (maybe?) not so much

I'm going to ask that anyone posting the pictures put them into spoilers.

If I'm mad for the price increases but also love everything GW makes, what makes that of me? A white knight? An idiot? An addict? Hypocrite? I mean at least i never buy at GW retail prices...

Sorry guys shutting this down so we can have a fresh thread.

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