"Heads-up: Price Adjustment, New Releases!" - GW

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**Templarted**

This is a great way to sour the big announcement tomorrow. It’s real bad timing. I know this isn’t the most daring thing to say after a price hike but I really doubt I’ll be buying directly from GW now, only stuff I can’t find on eBay.

Also why hike the prices of brushes and such? Other brands like army painter are getting more prominent, why on earth are GW charging that much for synthetic brushes anyway.

**Grimtuff**

Templarted wrote:
This is a great way to sour the big announcement tomorrow. It’s real bad timing. I know this isn’t the most daring thing to say after a price hike but I really doubt I’ll be buying directly from GW now, only stuff I can’t find on eBay.

Also why hike the prices of brushes and such? Other brands like army painter are getting more prominent, why on earth are GW charging that much for synthetic brushes anyway.

Because to some, GW is the hobby, and either through ignorance or sheer stubbornness they refuse to look outside of the ecosystem GW has cultivated.

**CoreCommander**

Grimtuff wrote:

Because to some, GW is the hobby, and either through ignorance or sheer stubbornness they refuse to look outside of the ecosystem GW has cultivated.

Well, there may be others like me,but I've looked and decided that if I have to focus on one line, GW is the one that most deserves of my time and money.

**H.B.M.C.**

Grimtuff wrote:
GW has come dangerously close to going out of business in the past and what makes them all of a sudden immune now?

They have a Facebook page. I think that's the reason...

Templarted wrote:
This is a great way to sour the big announcement tomorrow.

Quite the opposite. The big announcement is meant to distract from it.

"We're doing a major announcement for Warhammer 40,000 and also raising the price on hundreds of products, some up to 20%, including a lot of new stuff so tune in on Saturday for the big 40K reveal!"

**Gnarlly**

The most significant impact will be on new players contemplating starting the hobby. We have a Warhammer store in the town I work in and a co-worker of mine (also in his 40's) was thinking about getting into the hobby after I showed him some pics of my models. The first thing I said to him (before news of this price hike) was to not buy any models from the GW Warhammer store, and to focus on eBay as much as possible for any purchases, as GW's prices are insane. I actually like the guy who runs the Warhammer store, but I haven't purchased anything from him besides some paint and an issue of White Dwarf.

I can't even imagine how teenagers, the audience that GW really should be targeting, can afford an army with GW's prices. I recall getting into the hobby when I was a teen in the 90's (2nd edition), and while the models were still relatively expensive back then, you seem to get a lot less for a higher price these days (not even considering the relative value of metal vs. plastic). If 40k is supposed to be a hobby just for well-off middle-aged guys, then mission accomplished GW.

**Red Corsair**

So GW offered gift vouchers providing a 5-10% discount as a way to continue sales while production was down, only to re-open and within a couple of weeks increase prices 5-10% and also before any of the new or interesting things are out?

Yet there are people questioning why folks are upset, citing past outrage as if it even remotely applies to the largest global economic downtrend in a lifetime?

Oh but guys, a thread back in 2006 had some peeps complaining about prices, so you guys must be wrong despite the fact there wasn't mass unemployment then. Geeze.

**GaroRobe**

Templarted wrote:
This is a great way to sour the big announcement tomorrow. It’s real bad timing. I know this isn’t the most daring thing to say after a price hike but I really doubt I’ll be buying directly from GW now, only stuff I can’t find on eBay.

Besides supporting FLGS, I don't know why people don't just order off ebay. If its an OOP or limited edition model, the prices are usually way too high. But most of the time, its 5 to 10 dollars cheaper than ordering directly from GW. Even the more expensive Start collectings! are often at the original price (85$ instead of 100$, etc). Although buying paints online will most likely be a waste of time. At the very least, I imagine you will find most of the items at the current prices on ebay, after the price hike kicks in.

**PurpleEcho**

Apologies if this has already been posted but here's an apparent list with all increases in GBP.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/4/d/1yLzaadQA1_XpSDRHMpMrpM4lO-S1Uhank7eC8KGVsxw/htmlview#gid=1727256291

Seems legitimate to me.

**kodos**

And Mantic is trolling again:

ACT NOW – the price of every single Mantic product on the website is changing*!

Mantic is a small business, trying its best to navigate these difficult times. We have seen increased charges from our shipping companies, and some of our suppliers. All the while, Mantic has faced a large reduction in offline sales because your local gaming stores are closed. Although it is great to see some reopening (and we have plans to help them, when the team is back in June) we miss those important restocks to the FLGS.

Meanwhile our website has remained open and the warehouse has continued shipping (with strict social distancing measures in place). Most of the items on the website haven’t moved in price for years, but sometimes you just have to act.

While we are keen to ensure that people are able to stay inside safely, and spend their time and efforts doing interesting and engaging activities – there are some harsh realities in these challenging times – and Mantic still has bills to pay.

So the price of every product has to change – so as a big thank you to everyone that will or has supported Mantic during the outbreak, you can currently SAVE 15% on all Mantic products on the site! That’s right, we’re adjusting prices down!

We realise it’s a difficult time at the moment and since the start of the outbreak we’ve been trying to keep you entertained with hobby updates, free rules and the odd deal from Crazy Bobby. We really appreciate all your support during the outbreak. And Ronnie really wanted to say thank you.

Until the end of May there is 15% off all Mantic products. That’s right, as a thank you to everyone for working hard as key worker, dealing with homeschooling, being stuck inside or just being absolutely bored out their mind, you can use the code THANKYOU on the website to get 15% off all Mantic products.

We wanted to give you the heads-up so you have the chance to pick up anything you were looking to add to your collection and make the most of the 15% discount code before it ends on the May 31st. That means this is applicable until the end of the month and to help even more we’ve also currently reduced the free shipping minimum to £25/€30/$50 too.

**Kanluwen**

Shame they can't troll their way to producing better miniatures.

**stonehorse**

kodos wrote:
And Mantic is trolling again:

ACT NOW – the price of every single Mantic product on the website is changing*!

Mantic is a small business, trying its best to navigate these difficult times. We have seen increased charges from our shipping companies, and some of our suppliers. All the while, Mantic has faced a large reduction in offline sales because your local gaming stores are closed. Although it is great to see some reopening (and we have plans to help them, when the team is back in June) we miss those important restocks to the FLGS.

Meanwhile our website has remained open and the warehouse has continued shipping (with strict social distancing measures in place). Most of the items on the website haven’t moved in price for years, but sometimes you just have to act.

While we are keen to ensure that people are able to stay inside safely, and spend their time and efforts doing interesting and engaging activities – there are some harsh realities in these challenging times – and Mantic still has bills to pay.

So the price of every product has to change – so as a big thank you to everyone that will or has supported Mantic during the outbreak, you can currently SAVE 15% on all Mantic products on the site! That’s right, we’re adjusting prices down!

We realise it’s a difficult time at the moment and since the start of the outbreak we’ve been trying to keep you entertained with hobby updates, free rules and the odd deal from Crazy Bobby. We really appreciate all your support during the outbreak. And Ronnie really wanted to say thank you.

Until the end of May there is 15% off all Mantic products. That’s right, as a thank you to everyone for working hard as key worker, dealing with homeschooling, being stuck inside or just being absolutely bored out their mind, you can use the code THANKYOU on the website to get 15% off all Mantic products.

We wanted to give you the heads-up so you have the chance to pick up anything you were looking to add to your collection and make the most of the 15% discount code before it ends on the May 31st. That means this is applicable until the end of the month and to help even more we’ve also currently reduced the free shipping minimum to £25/€30/$50 too.

Brilliant! 15% off just makes resisting those new Abyssal Dwarfs too hard.

**Arbitrator**

Kanluwen wrote:
Shame they can't troll their way to producing better miniatures.

They make up for it by making a better ruleset.

Also, their sculpts are improving. Compare the KoW Vanguard stuff and new Not!ChaosDwarfs to what came before.

**Grimtuff**

Kanluwen wrote:
Shame they can't troll their way to producing better miniatures.

You really don't like fun do you?

Besides, Mantic produces some great minis now. Try looking past their releases in 2010...

**macluvin**

XD wow. I might buy a thing or two from mantic instead. Do their free rules make for a fun game too?

**Templarted**

GaroRobe wrote:
Templarted wrote:
This is a great way to sour the big announcement tomorrow. It’s real bad timing. I know this isn’t the most daring thing to say after a price hike but I really doubt I’ll be buying directly from GW now, only stuff I can’t find on eBay.

Besides supporting FLGS, I don't know why people don't just order off ebay. If its an OOP or limited edition model, the prices are usually way too high. But most of the time, its 5 to 10 dollars cheaper than ordering directly from GW. Even the more expensive Start collectings! are often at the original price (85$ instead of 100$, etc). Although buying paints online will most likely be a waste of time. At the very least, I imagine you will find most of the items at the current prices on ebay, after the price hike kicks in.

It’s mostly convenience really with regards to GW over eBay. But the only kits I’ve got direct from GW in the last years flagellants and BT upgrade sprues. Most paints I get from my FLGS (and some impulse buys) but other than that GW just costs way too much these days, like £35 for one standard infantry kit is pushing it.

**kodos**

Kanluwen wrote:
Shame they can't troll their way to producing better miniatures.

better is relative
You cannot compare stuff that GW does not have, no SciFi plastic Dwarfs from anyone else, so Mantic ones are the best on the market
Same for Space Rats, and Fantasy Chaos Dwarfs or Fantasy Northman

For comparable products, I like their Enforcers more than the classic Space Marine line, same for Mantics Damons
I also prefer their GCPS range over Astra Militarum, except that Mantic has no Battle Tank yet which is a big problem.
GW is still doing the better Elves, there are no Stormcast, Ogres are up to personal taste, GW has the better Lizard and Goblin range (but that might change soon)

but going by the base cost, a SM Stormraven for 65 UKP while an Enforcer Interceptor is 25 UKP (or Valkyrie for 50 VS Hornet for 25), I never going to pay more than twice as much for flying brick if i can get a decent Marine flyer

PurpleEcho wrote:

Seems legitimate to me.

asked my FLGS if he can confirm it, and he said that he is under NDA but there are 400 products that change price and it is not the list/models shown on the GW Website

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macluvin wrote:
XD wow. I might buy a thing or two from mantic instead. Do their free rules make for a fun game too?

yes
while Warpath is something you need to get used to (if you are coming from 40k), same as Vanguard if you are used to AoS (Vanguard is more like Mortheim than AoS) Deadzone is a lot of fun, same for Kings of War.

**SamusDrake**

Gnarlly wrote:
The most significant impact will be on new players contemplating starting the hobby. We have a Warhammer store in the town I work in and a co-worker of mine (also in his 40's) was thinking about getting into the hobby after I showed him some pics of my models. The first thing I said to him (before news of this price hike) was to not buy any models from the GW Warhammer store, and to focus on eBay as much as possible for any purchases, as GW's prices are insane. I actually like the guy who runs the Warhammer store, but I haven't purchased anything from him besides some paint and an issue of White Dwarf.

I can't even imagine how teenagers, the audience that GW really should be targeting, can afford an army with GW's prices. I recall getting into the hobby when I was a teen in the 90's (2nd edition), and while the models were still relatively expensive back then, you seem to get a lot less for a higher price these days (not even considering the relative value of metal vs. plastic). If 40k is supposed to be a hobby just for well-off middle-aged guys, then mission accomplished GW.

Quoted for agreement!

**Gnarlly**

I just checked out the Mantic website for the first time. I like what I see and the prices seem much more in line with how I think the hobby should be priced.

**SamusDrake**

PurpleEcho wrote:
Apologies if this has already been posted but here's an apparent list with all increases in GBP.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/4/d/1yLzaadQA1_XpSDRHMpMrpM4lO-S1Uhank7eC8KGVsxw/htmlview#gid=1727256291

Seems legitimate to me.

Cheers for that. An extra £5 on the Dark Reapers is quite a jump...

**Kanluwen**

Grimtuff wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Shame they can't troll their way to producing better miniatures.

You really don't like fun do you?

Or it could have had its own thread. But like everything Mantic, they have to be glommed onto GW to be successful.

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Gnarlly wrote:
The most significant impact will be on new players contemplating starting the hobby. We have a Warhammer store in the town I work in and a co-worker of mine (also in his 40's) was thinking about getting into the hobby after I showed him some pics of my models. The first thing I said to him (before news of this price hike) was to not buy any models from the GW Warhammer store, and to focus on eBay as much as possible for any purchases, as GW's prices are insane. I actually like the guy who runs the Warhammer store, but I haven't purchased anything from him besides some paint and an issue of White Dwarf.

This is a shortsighted thing for you to have done, unless you're going to take the time to walk your coworker through the basics of building, painting, and playing. And "focusing on eBay" isn't a good way to introduce someone to any miniatures game as the prices range from stupidly low to stupidly high.

I can't even imagine how teenagers, the audience that GW really should be targeting, can afford an army with GW's prices. I recall getting into the hobby when I was a teen in the 90's (2nd edition), and while the models were still relatively expensive back then, you seem to get a lot less for a higher price these days (not even considering the relative value of metal vs. plastic). If 40k is supposed to be a hobby just for well-off middle-aged guys, then mission accomplished GW.

Assume that they look at it from the perspective of a country with public transportation that is actually meaningful, clubs starting up via schools, etc and it makes a lot more sense.

Here in the US? Teenagers are seemingly expected to have jobs that are effectively full-time without the pay to match, cars, car insurance, and effectively be mini-adults--all while saving for secondary education that will require loans.

**Sqorgar**

Also worth pointing out that Privateer Press’ web store has a Stay Hone and Paint sale, with most items (not new releases or a few other things) being 25% off AND the free shipping threshold is only $50. They also have all their convention exclusive models available.

I also highly recommend Monsterpocalypse.

**SamusDrake**

Kanluwen wrote:

This is a shortsighted thing for you to have done, unless you're going to take the time to walk your coworker through the basics of building, painting, and playing. And "focusing on eBay" isn't a good way to introduce someone to any miniatures game as the prices range from stupidly low to stupidly high.

If he can get stuff for stupidly low...? Why not as he would be saving money.

**Kanluwen**

SamusDrake wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:

This is a shortsighted thing for you to have done, unless you're going to take the time to walk your coworker through the basics of building, painting, and playing. And "focusing on eBay" isn't a good way to introduce someone to any miniatures game as the prices range from stupidly low to stupidly high.

If he can get stuff for stupidly low...?

I like how you ignore the first part(because spoiler, I doubt he'll be willing to sit down and take the time to walk the coworker through the basics) and the other part("stupidly high").

Why not as he would be saving money.

Because it leads to the nonsense of people expecting stuff to be rockbottom prices, to the point where even independents are considered "overpriced".

**BobtheInquisitor**

Kanluwen wrote:
Shame they can't troll their way to producing better miniatures.

Mantic have been steadily improving for years. Have you even seen any of the plastics they’ve released in the last two or three years?

Mantic’s quality to price ratio blows GW out of the water. And Mantic stopped selling their failure minis rather than raising their prices.

**the_scotsman**

The part of my brain that controls rational thought is positively rebelling at some of these items.

SURELY it must be both increases and decreases. SURELY nobody at gw thinks alarielle is underpriced at 140$, or assassins at 32$

But then I think "of course they do, its GW.

**kodos**

Kanluwen wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:

This is a shortsighted thing for you to have done, unless you're going to take the time to walk your coworker through the basics of building, painting, and playing. And "focusing on eBay" isn't a good way to introduce someone to any miniatures game as the prices range from stupidly low to stupidly high.

If he can get stuff for stupidly low...?

I like how you ignore the first part(because spoiler, I doubt he'll be willing to sit down and take the time to walk the coworker through the basics) and the other part("stupidly high").

why should he not?
as this is how you get people into the game, to walk with them thru the basics

there is no "there is this cool game I want to play with you, here is the link for the website, figure everything out on your own and come back to play after you are ready"

you have to get through the basics of building, painting, and playing, no matter if it is your Co-Worker, school buddy, your kids, or any other friend.

**Sabotage!**

Not Online!!! wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sabotage! wrote:
I have no idea what the price hike is going to look like, but some of the past ones have been pretty absurd.
As some have pointed out, this one is already absurd:

So two boxes that cost the same are going up, and the one with fewer models is even more expensive somehow?

Yeah, that’s pretty nonsensical. I get inflation, but GW price adjustments are sometimes bonkers. The one that always sticks with me was the Grave Guard box going from 25 to 41.25 USD overnight.

**Kanluwen**

the_scotsman wrote:
The part of my brain that controls rational thought is positively rebelling at some of these items.

SURELY it must be both increases and decreases. SURELY nobody at gw thinks alarielle is underpriced at 140$, or assassins at 32$

But then I think "of course they do, its GW.

There's definitely some weirdness with the list. The Techpriest Dominus is under the 'featured' thing from GW and the price list we got yesterday has it at $36...which is its current price. It looks like what is happening is they're adjusting things that are at weird pricepoints in some regions.

**BobtheInquisitor**

It makes a lot more sense if you assume indifference-bordering-on-contempt for their customer base.

**Arbitrator**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
It makes a lot more sense if you assume indifference-bordering-on-contempt for their customer base.

B-b-but they have a Facebook page now! And cute comics! T-they means they're Just Like Us and are totally different now!