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2020/05/28 13:06:57
Subject: 40k preview, May 23-9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
For starters, GW has always done model then story then rules. What part of the Judicator shows he is specialized in killing Necrons? Not a dang thing.
He can't have Necon trophies on his armor since they phase out when destroyed.
Therefore the lack of necron skulls on his armor prove he is a Necron Killing specialist.
Check and mate.
I'd need to dig for it, but I'm almost certain there is a Chaos model with a Necron head on a trophy rack. And the story Veil of Darkness has a plot point revolving around Sicarius bringing back parts of Necrons after he got whooped by that Necron Lord, so it's not like they all make it out everytime.
EDIT: Found it. Necron skull on the tall spike on the back left of the image.
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2020/05/28 13:11:31
Subject: Re:40k preview, May 23-9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
Someone on bolter and chainsword managed to zoom into a corner of the image and you can see it's clearly been cut out and stuck into a book, so tis a fake.
Probably a fake, but could also be from a playtesting book if they're sticking amended entries into a printed codex rather than printing the whole thing out again and again.
I'd have expected to see a bit more annotation in that case.
2020/05/28 13:15:20
Subject: Re:40k preview, May 23-9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
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2020/05/28 13:24:30
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
It very well could be fake... But I don't think it's completely out of the realm of possibility that we could see a FIRSTBORN keyword for Marines... but in the Starter Box? Surely the rules would be relatively simple, and wholly related to the kit. Time will tell.
2020/05/28 14:27:06
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
diepotato47 wrote: It very well could be fake... But I don't think it's completely out of the realm of possibility that we could see a FIRSTBORN keyword for Marines... but in the Starter Box? Surely the rules would be relatively simple, and wholly related to the kit. Time will tell.
If we see "Firstborn" keyworded, it won't be on a Loyalist unit getting benefits for killing them.
2020/05/28 14:35:49
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
Are you Spikey Bits? Even phone posting isn't an excuse for passing that off like it's a real leak.
I mean he doesn't have the character keyword, it's a mess of sloppy looking pixels, it's clearly a cut out, and GW has never used "FIRSTBORN" as a keyword meaning the model would be useless at launch.
I'm just passing the info and asking if someone already saw/know about it.
Yes i believe it's probably a fake but some of the minor irks can be explained as be part of assembly booklet.
The firstborn key could be related to the new necron troop (with new weapon options) and it mimics Aos special rules from starter.
If you thought it was fake you should have posted such. Furthermore it looks like someone printed out a datasheet and pasted it in to make it look more "real", third Necrons have no reason to have a "FIRSTBORN" keyword and the Executioner isn't an anti-Necron character, and third he has a peice of Death Korps of Krieg Wargear with the wrong rules:
Spoiler:
And that's just what I spotted posting by phone. That was clearly baiting and frankly even reposting that bull was ridiculious.
Dude, what is wrong with you? take a chill pill.
The guy posted something he saw elsewhere, is not passing it off as "reliable" source (my buddy who works for GW, etc), and just opening up something for discussion. Somehow, the post must have pissed in your cornflakes for some bizarre reason. I know it's a post on the new executioner model, but you do not have the right to determine what posts go on the chopping block. Take some deep breaths, relax, and enjoy dumb stuff that gets posted. It really isn't a big deal.
2020/05/28 15:38:57
Subject: Re:40k preview, May 23-9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
No it's not (even taking into account it's 40k wiki, so wrong with 80% certainty). It's term invented by one 40k author then popularized by loud minority liking it for pompous sound. There is literally zero chance of it ever translating into the game term, especially seeing there are already keywords for this.
It doesn't even make any sense if you think about it, it's the Primaris who have pure, early geneseed (and even some guys from 30k), the squatmarines have seed diluted by 10000 years of use and were all born in 40k, so if anything it should be 'currentborn' or 'lastborn'...
2020/05/28 15:45:34
Subject: Re:40k preview, May 23-9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
No it's not (even taking into account it's 40k wiki, so wrong with 80% certainty). It's term invented by one 40k author then popularized by loud minority liking it for pompous sound.
It's been used in multiple books by several writers, it's not a "one 40K author" thing.
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2020/05/28 15:59:06
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
You can even check the sources, as they're right there:
Apocalypse (Novel) by Josh Reynolds, Ch. 8
Codex: Adeptus Custodes (8th Edition), pp. 27, 32, 48
Codex: Space Marines (8th Edition) (Revised Codex), pp. 69, 72, 76, 77-79, 82
Codex: Space Wolves (8th Edition) - Annals of the Space Wolves
Dark Imperium (Novel) by Guy Haley, Chs. 12, 13 15
Imperium Nihilus: Vigilus Defiant (8th Edition), pg. 77
Spear of the Emperor (Novel) by Aaron Dembski-Bowden, Ch. 5
Warhammer 40,000: Rulebook (7th Edition) (Digital Edition), "Space Marines" (Image)
2020/05/28 16:04:35
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
Albertorius wrote: You can even check the sources, as they're right there:
Apocalypse (Novel) by Josh Reynolds, Ch. 8
Codex: Adeptus Custodes (8th Edition), pp. 27, 32, 48
Codex: Space Marines (8th Edition) (Revised Codex), pp. 69, 72, 76, 77-79, 82
Codex: Space Wolves (8th Edition) - Annals of the Space Wolves
Dark Imperium (Novel) by Guy Haley, Chs. 12, 13 15
Imperium Nihilus: Vigilus Defiant (8th Edition), pg. 77
Spear of the Emperor (Novel) by Aaron Dembski-Bowden, Ch. 5
Warhammer 40,000: Rulebook (7th Edition) (Digital Edition), "Space Marines" (Image)
I just checked the Codex: Space Marines (8th Edition) (Revised Codex). There is no mention of the word "Firstborn" in the entire codex.
Page 69 is the Infiltrators Entry, nothing about Firstborn.
Page 72, nothing about Firstborn.
Page 76, nothing about Firstborn.
Page 77-79, nothing about Firstborn.
Page 82, nothing about Firstborn.
Apocalypse (Novel) by Josh Reynolds: No mention of Firstborn in the entire book.
Codex: Adeptus Custodes: No mention of Firstborn in the entire book.
Codex: Space Wolves: No mention of Firstborn in the entire book.
Dark Imperium: No mention of Firstborn in the entire book.
Imperium Nihilus: Vigilus Defiant: 3 mentions of the Vostroyan Firstborn. Page 77 details Calgar's transformation to Primaris, no mention of the word Firstborn.
Spear of the Emperor: 4 mentions of the non-Primaris Space Marines as "Firstborn"
So, yeah, it is just 1 Black Library writer.
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2020/05/28 16:10:27
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
Lexicanum tends to be a better source than the wikia.
The also have a Firstborn page. Judging from their references, I believe the only sources that directly use the term are Spear of the Emperor & potential Apocalypse & Dark Imperium. I haven't read any of them myself though, so I can't confirm.
2020/05/28 16:13:46
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
Matt.Kingsley wrote: Lexicanum tends to be a better source than the wikia.
The also have a Firstborn page. Judging from their references, I believe the only sources that directly use the term are Spear of the Emperor & potential Apocalypse & Dark Imperium. I haven't read any of them myself though, so I can't confirm.
The only mention I could find is in Spear of the Emperor, where it is used four times.
So the assertion that it's just a single Black Library writers fannon is pretty much spot on.
2020/05/28 16:15:25
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
BaconCatBug wrote: I just checked the Codex: Space Marines (8th Edition) (Revised Codex). There is no mention of the word "Firstborn" in the entire codex.
Page 69 is the Infiltrators Entry, nothing about Firstborn.
Page 72, nothing about Firstborn.
Page 76, nothing about Firstborn.
Page 77-79, nothing about Firstborn.
Page 82, nothing about Firstborn.
Apocalypse (Novel) by Josh Reynolds: No mention of Firstborn in the entire book.
Codex: Adeptus Custodes: No mention of Firstborn in the entire book.
Codex: Space Wolves: No mention of Firstborn in the entire book.
Dark Imperium: No mention of Firstborn in the entire book.
Imperium Nihilus: Vigilus Defiant: 3 mentions of the Vostroyan Firstborn. Page 77 details Calgar's transformation to Primaris, no mention of the word Firstborn.
Spear of the Emperor: 4 mentions of the non-Primaris Space Marines as "Firstborn"
So, yeah, it is just 1 Black Library writer.
I can only check the 2017 edition. Only thing I see is on page 22:
PRIMOGENITORS The Primogenitors are those Chapters created when the old Ultramarines Legion was divided during the Second Founding. Sometimes referred to as the ‘first born’, these Chapters each maintain their own histories and traditions, but they all honour Roboute Guilliman as their Primarch and adhere strictly to the procedures and tactical treatises he laid down in the Codex Astartes.
2020/05/28 16:16:44
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
That would have been interesting, and honestly would take away some of the bile I feel towards their aim to sunset old marines if they in fact kept them current and just they were First Born. That is probably asking too much respect from a company that looks at everyone as Cash with Legs but one can always dream.
2020/05/28 20:09:19
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
AngryAngel80 wrote: That would have been interesting, and honestly would take away some of the bile I feel towards their aim to sunset old marines if they in fact kept them current and just they were First Born. That is probably asking too much respect from a company that looks at everyone as Cash with Legs but one can always dream.
the basic first born marine units are still reasonably new. tacs marines, devestators and assault marines are all fairly new kits being released at the tail end of 7th edition. I doubt they're going anywhere fast
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2020/05/28 20:16:00
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
AngryAngel80 wrote: That would have been interesting, and honestly would take away some of the bile I feel towards their aim to sunset old marines if they in fact kept them current and just they were First Born. That is probably asking too much respect from a company that looks at everyone as Cash with Legs but one can always dream.
the basic first born marine units are still reasonably new. tacs marines, devestators and assault marines are all fairly new kits being released at the tail end of 7th edition. I doubt they're going anywhere fast
Especially when khorne bezerkers just got a price rise while being legally old enough to drive, get a degree, drink, get married and probably have a little khornelet.
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2020/05/28 20:38:23
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
I mean they are around the same age as my vintage Deathguard models. Gotta be nice to them though, they aren't as spry as they used to be but I have to say them being pewter does give me a nice model work out to carry them around.
2020/05/28 20:42:09
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
AngryAngel80 wrote: I mean they are around the same age as my vintage Deathguard models. Gotta be nice to them though, they aren't as spry as they used to be but I have to say them being pewter does give me a nice model work out to carry them around.
Or the dreaded plaguemarine sockbaton.
Still laughing at the khorne berzerker pricehike.
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2020/05/28 20:45:29
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
Yeah now they are beating the horse after shooting it in the head a dozen times XD nobody is ever buying those berserkers. I would pay like 20$ TOPS for that box and that’s if they were gamebreaking and if I had enough old school marines to convert up with the bits...
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2020/05/28 20:58:19
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
So I was speculating on the battlefield attrition mechanic and I think it could be a penalty for losing units. Either -1 for each unit (additional -1 if you lose your Warlord), or a -1 for losing half your army and an additional -1 if you lose your Warlord.
2020/05/28 21:03:48
Subject: Re:40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
Something that crossed my mind is the mystery box prize package might be the limited edition starter which would come with some extras we won't see in the regular starter.
It would make for a more impressive prize package over a free starter too.
2020/05/28 21:08:30
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
I'm a old school marine fanboy, but if GW where to squat them, I'd imagine they would just say all marines crossed the rubicon instead of "Thunder warriors part 2 electric boogaloo" or even remotely consider a Horus Heresy civil war Lite situation.
Primaris fanboy: "NO, you can't just give old marines 2W, they're supposed to be squatted!" GW: "Heavy Bolters go brrrrrrrr"
If the argument for their uniqueness is spamming Wulfen and Thunderwolves, then it wasn't really a unique army to begin with whether you like it or not.
Jimbobbyish wrote: I'm a old school marine fanboy, but if GW where to squat them, I'd imagine they would just say all marines crossed the rubicon instead of "Thunder warriors part 2 electric boogaloo" or even remotely consider a Horus Heresy civil war Lite situation.
Crossed the Rubicon or died in the attempt is where they're going with it so far.
If we were going to shake up the Imperium and declare some traitors we'd done it a while ago. GW won't do that though since it'll create "feel bad" moments.for players who find out their chapter is now dead or traitor over it.
Only way we could see it happen is if they pulled a Badab War and made up some chapters to throw under the bus and that wouldn't shake the setting up.
2020/05/28 21:39:28
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
nervous sweating 
