Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

I feel like a preview roadmap would be very helpful for GW. Give us a monthly calendar showing what the topic will be for each day of the month, leading up to 9th's release. Video games do this a lot to show what's being developed. It would make people a lot less apprehensive about filler previews like these faction focuses (and generate more hype) if you knew that a juicy topic was around the corner.

Only problem is that that strategy would require GW to know what they're going to preview a month in advance... and I have a feeling they're figuring that out on a day by day basis.

Wow. That last PA has less content than a Chapter Approved. Half of it is just reprinted Inquisitors from WD.

So far, War of the Spider seems to have been the best one. And that's not saying much...

Well, I'll definitely be skipping out on Pariah. One datasheet for necrons for around $40? Hard pass.

What a let down. GW just gave up on the last PA book.

Yikes. Most interesting thing will probably be where they place the narrative for 9th. Thin is an understatement.

punisher357 wrote:
Well, I'll definitely be skipping out on Pariah. One datasheet for necrons for around $40? Hard pass.

What a let down. GW just gave up on the last PA book.

So you'd rather of had a book with a lot of rules which would have been obsolete in a month

 Eldarain wrote:
Yikes. Most interesting thing will probably be where they place the narrative for 9th. Thin is an understatement.

Nuh-uh. It's absolutely packed!

 Ghaz wrote:

punisher357 wrote:
Well, I'll definitely be skipping out on Pariah. One datasheet for necrons for around $40? Hard pass.

What a let down. GW just gave up on the last PA book.

So you'd rather of had a book with a lot of rules which would have been obsolete in a month

If it's going to be obsolete in a month then maybe they shouldn't sell the book to begin with (or sell it at a price that befits what is essentially some fluff that will be copy-pasted into 40k wiki within a year)? How about offering a product that isn't crap?

 puma713 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Definitely a weak book overall, even more so when you realize there is plenty of room for Harlequin or Deathwatch content there. What a really strange decision.

They did confirm that Deathwatch will be one of the first dexes, along with Necrons. That may be why.

That could also indicate that Harlies may be in the same group?

Then again with new codexes not getting all PA it will leave factions in 2 unequal situations. Either some armies have more(those who have PA+new codex vs those with just new codex(necron, sister, harlies) or some armies(those 3) get cheaper because they gotPA's worth of stuff in codex while others won'tget to new codex their PA stuff so have to get PA book for full rules anyway...)

Yes. I feel like GW isn't really handling this "living edition" stuff too well. They haven't completely figured out how to blend it within their "sell more books" business model.

They aren't doing a 'living edition.' I know some really want to believe that's happening, but it isn't. They're still 100% on selling books- 6 months ago they were selling updated points values for the entire range, despite planning for 9th next month (or maybe originally this month). That's also why nearly half of the PA books included reprints of the same space marine datasheets- they're very focused on selling tiny updates, not doing living updates. That was the entire point of PA.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
I feel like a preview roadmap would be very helpful for GW. Give us a monthly calendar showing what the topic will be for each day of the month, leading up to 9th's release. Video games do this a lot to show what's being developed. It would make people a lot less apprehensive about filler previews like these faction focuses (and generate more hype) if you knew that a juicy topic was around the corner.

Only problem is that that strategy would require GW to know what they're going to preview a month in advance... and I have a feeling they're figuring that out on a day by day basis.

They know what they're doing. They're advertising upcoming products as they happen. You may not like their preview style (and it leaves a lot to be desired), but they aren't making it up day by day.
They don't show off what's farther out on purpose- its been a matter of policy that they want people focused and spending money on the current release, not saving for the release after the next one.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

Spoiler:

 Ghaz wrote:

punisher357 wrote:
Well, I'll definitely be skipping out on Pariah. One datasheet for necrons for around $40? Hard pass.

What a let down. GW just gave up on the last PA book.

So you'd rather of had a book with a lot of rules which would have been obsolete in a month

If it's going to be obsolete in a month then maybe they shouldn't sell the book to begin with (or sell it at a price that befits what is essentially some fluff that will be copy-pasted into 40k wiki within a year)? How about offering a product that isn't crap?

The book does have more than just the Necron rules (Index: Inquisition, Theatres of War, new missions and datasheets for Ephraei Stern and Kyganil of the Bloody Tears). Only the Necron rules would have been obsolete when the new codex drops.

punisher357 wrote:
Well, I'll definitely be skipping out on Pariah. One datasheet for necrons for around $40? Hard pass.

What a let down. GW just gave up on the last PA book.

At least it is a new datasheet.

That's a lot better than what Ynnari got.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

punisher357 wrote:
Well, I'll definitely be skipping out on Pariah. One datasheet for necrons for around $40? Hard pass.

What a let down. GW just gave up on the last PA book.

At least it is a new datasheet.

That's a lot better than what Ynnari got.

Yeah, all they got was some alternate head options.

Or was it one alternate head?

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Yeah, all they got was some alternate head options.

Or was it one alternate head?

An alternate head without rules, as you cannot legally play the Banshees without the mask.

yukishiro1 wrote:
I dunno why people think Nightspinners getting blast is a big buff. With the 2d6 profile, it only benefits against 11+ units (it gets what, something like 0.1 extra shots on average against 6-10?), and 9th seems focused on eliminating those from the game entirely.

A buff against a target that no longer exists in the game and that you probably wouldn't want to shoot anyway doesn't seem like a significant buff. If you can't shoot after falling back even with fly in the new edition, it would actually be a nerf.

Less ease to draw LOS means all indirect fire is getting a buff. And while I really hope fly and fallback but still shoot Goes Away with 9th, I don’t think anything has been hinted to that happening, has it ?

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Yeah, all they got was some alternate head options.

Or was it one alternate head?

An alternate head without rules, as you cannot legally play the Banshees without the mask.

Yes you can. They don't suddenly become 'not banshees'- they still have the right models with the right weapons.

Even if you're trying to reference WYSIWG, the cheek pieces are the speakers for the wail.

At least Szeras looks cool. Book is a pass for me.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Yeah, all they got was some alternate head options.

Or was it one alternate head?

An alternate head without rules, as you cannot legally play the Banshees without the mask.

They still have the speaker part of the mask.

Edit: oops. Voss got there first.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
That's the last pa book, so now can they please, TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT THE NEW FORGE WORLD BOOKS?

Please?

I am waiting for the main 40k team to kinda go oh yeah FW we need the new Rules for your stuff for 9th edition.

FW "WTF guys you said you were doing all the 40k rules and even cried to managment to make it happen. GTFO.

GW Ehh better do something quick heres the same unplayable 8th edition index rules with some keywords added and a 40% points increase.

Players "WTF this is unplayable trash?"
Gw "Wait for CA it fixes it."

CA FW points increases.

 Ghaz wrote:

punisher357 wrote:
Well, I'll definitely be skipping out on Pariah. One datasheet for necrons for around $40? Hard pass.

What a let down. GW just gave up on the last PA book.

So you'd rather of had a book with a lot of rules which would have been obsolete in a month

What obsolete? Previous PA books won't become obsolete when respective new codex comes out. Question is: Do you want stratagems, warlord traits etc without having to pay anything(well apart from cash) to have them in your toolbox?

Ice_can wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
That's the last pa book, so now can they please, TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT THE NEW FORGE WORLD BOOKS?

Please?

I am waiting for the main 40k team to kinda go oh yeah FW we need the new Rules for your stuff for 9th edition.

FW "WTF guys you said you were doing all the 40k rules and even cried to managment to make it happen. GTFO.

GW Ehh better do something quick heres the same unplayable 8th edition index rules with some keywords added and a 40% points increase.

Players "WTF this is unplayable trash?"
Gw "Wait for CA it fixes it."

CA FW points increases.

Stu Black said early on that FW books would be some of the earliest releases. And with how long the turn around on books is, they likely started this back when they took the books over from FW last year.

tneva82 wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

punisher357 wrote:
Well, I'll definitely be skipping out on Pariah. One datasheet for necrons for around $40? Hard pass.

What a let down. GW just gave up on the last PA book.

So you'd rather of had a book with a lot of rules which would have been obsolete in a month

What obsolete? Previous PA books won't become obsolete when respective new codex comes out. Question is: Do you want stratagems, warlord traits etc without having to pay anything(well apart from cash) to have them in your toolbox?

Didn't they explicitly say the 9th edition books would take "The best of the PA books", thus implying the PA books would be replaced by the new codexes?

Not exactly. They said the greatest hits from PA would be included in new versions of the codexes, but that the PA books would otherwise remain valid.

It's like how a number of stratagems and relics from Vigilus Defiant made it into the new Codex Space Marines. Some were even updated in the processs, so they then issued errata to VD to bring it into compliance with the codex.

Voss wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Yeah, all they got was some alternate head options.

Or was it one alternate head?

An alternate head without rules, as you cannot legally play the Banshees without the mask.

Yes you can. They don't suddenly become 'not banshees'- they still have the right models with the right weapons.

Even if you're trying to reference WYSIWG, the cheek pieces are the speakers for the wail.

The Ynnari Banshees were literally described as "without a mask on". So they don't have a mask on. The air ducts are not the Banshee mask. Not by the Warhammer Community text. Not by the Jes Goodwyn concept sketches.

Ynnari Banshees don't have Banshee Masks.



Not to mention that Jain Zar (who turned Ynnari in the book, but is still illegal to play as Ynnari in the game btw), does NOT have the air ducts, though she certainly DOES have the Banshee mask with all the rules that come with it.



Either way, Ynnari are explicilty not allowed to even use any of the new Banshee (or any Aspect) rules published in Phoenix Rising.

GW literally sold Ynnari-players a 40 Euro book where the verbatum only new rule they got was "you're not allowed to use any of the new rules published in this book ... thanks for the cash".

 alextroy wrote:
Not exactly. They said the greatest hits from PA would be included in new versions of the codexes, but that the PA books would otherwise remain valid.

It's like how a number of stratagems and relics from Vigilus Defiant made it into the new Codex Space Marines. Some were even updated in the processs, so they then issued errata to VD to bring it into compliance with the codex.

At some point I assume they'll phase them out. We don't need a dozen books with obscure strats floating around the game.

tneva82 wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

punisher357 wrote:
Well, I'll definitely be skipping out on Pariah. One datasheet for necrons for around $40? Hard pass.

What a let down. GW just gave up on the last PA book.

So you'd rather of had a book with a lot of rules which would have been obsolete in a month

What obsolete? Previous PA books won't become obsolete when respective new codex comes out. Question is: Do you want stratagems, warlord traits etc without having to pay anything(well apart from cash) to have them in your toolbox?

If they were to include rules for Codex Necrons (which would be for the current 8th edition codex), those rules would be obsolete when the new codex drops. Hence why Stu Black stated on the Twitch feed today that Pariah is light on Necron rules (a datasheet for Illuminor Szeras and rules for Theatre of War: Necron Tomb World).

Pariah is weak
Let’s say we are cool with szera model releasing w this book and a datasheet since it’s all going to codex next month.

At bare minimum they should have had death watch included w The inquisition in this book. Redo the datasheets for killteam Cassius for 9th. Throw in The white dwarf junk like warlord trait, relic, and strats And this book would have been decent.
Deathwatch could have used some sprucing up.

gungo wrote:
At bare minimum they should have had death watch included w The inquisition in this book. Redo the datasheets for killteam Cassius for 9th. Throw in The white dwarf junk like warlord trait, relic, and strats And this book would have been decent.
Deathwatch could have used some sprucing up.

I believe it was also mentioned on today's Twitch feed that Deathwatch are due to be one of the first codices after 9th edition drops, placing them in the same boat as Necrons.

 Ghaz wrote:

gungo wrote:
At bare minimum they should have had death watch included w The inquisition in this book. Redo the datasheets for killteam Cassius for 9th. Throw in The white dwarf junk like warlord trait, relic, and strats And this book would have been decent.
Deathwatch could have used some sprucing up.

I believe it was also mentioned on today's Twitch feed that Deathwatch are due to be one of the first codices after 9th edition drops, placing them in the same boat as Necrons.

Regardless the intern spent 20 mins making that white dwarf article they could have fit it in the book. Death watch and inquisition vs Necrons actually makes sense thematically. I also doubt 9th edition deathwatch codex will update killteam Cassius I expect primarsus stuff to dominate that release.

gungo wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

gungo wrote:
At bare minimum they should have had death watch included w The inquisition in this book. Redo the datasheets for killteam Cassius for 9th. Throw in The white dwarf junk like warlord trait, relic, and strats And this book would have been decent.
Deathwatch could have used some sprucing up.

I believe it was also mentioned on today's Twitch feed that Deathwatch are due to be one of the first codices after 9th edition drops, placing them in the same boat as Necrons.

Regardless the intern spent 20 mins making that white dwarf article they could have fit it in the book. Death watch and inquisition vs Necrons actually makes sense thematically. I also doubt 9th edition deathwatch codex will update killteam Cassius I expect primarsus stuff to dominate that release.

Unless they wanted to get them out and get some feedback from the community, which they probably didn't get thanks to the COVID-19 pandemic

Oh give over.

We know some stuff from PA will carry over to the forthcoming Codex range, yes?

So we just need to await our new Codex and plethora of new models.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh give over.

We know some stuff from PA will carry over to the forthcoming Codex range, yes?

So we just need to await our new Codex and plethora of new models.

Yes but not all.

Thus the factions that didn't get PA rules will be behind the power curve ones factions with PA will get new codex at which point they have new codex AND rules from PA.