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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:It won't. GW knows it can charge a stupid amount for the Marine books being separate because the special snowflake players buy into the whole "they're a unique army!!!!!1!" garbage. More fake stuff from 4chan as expected.
I'm always suspicious of anything from 4chan as well, but they would obviously just sell the non codex chapters supplements.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: It won't. GW knows it can charge a stupid amount for the Marine books being separate because the special snowflake players buy into the whole "they're a unique army!!!!!1!" garbage. More fake stuff from 4chan as expected.
you know, GW can charge double by releasing a Marine Codex with Supplements instead of Snowflake Codex
and books are expensive, much more than the Miniatures, needing only to print one book that all Marine players buy gets them more profit than having several book that only a small group buys
yet, it is the next logical step to remove old Marines by doing no dedicated Old-Marine Codex in 9th
also maintaining one Codex with all Primaris stuff is easier and cheaper than
Trust me when I say I was appalled at how the Supplements were handled.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: It won't. GW knows it can charge a stupid amount for the Marine books being separate because the special snowflake players buy into the whole "they're a unique army!!!!!1!" garbage. More fake stuff from 4chan as expected.
you know, GW can charge double by releasing a Marine Codex with Supplements instead of Snowflake Codex
and books are expensive, much more than the Miniatures, needing only to print one book that all Marine players buy gets them more profit than having several book that only a small group buys
yet, it is the next logical step to remove old Marines by doing no dedicated Old-Marine Codex in 9th
also maintaining one Codex with all Primaris stuff is easier and cheaper than
Trust me when I say I was appalled at how the Supplements were handled.
Well get ready for more of them, because if this rumour is true, I'd bet we'll be seeing the same treatment for the Legions, at least the undivided ones.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:It won't. GW knows it can charge a stupid amount for the Marine books being separate because the special snowflake players buy into the whole "they're a unique army!!!!!1!" garbage. More fake stuff from 4chan as expected.
I'm always suspicious of anything from 4chan as well, but they would obviously just sell the non codex chapters supplements.
said the be the same guy who leaked the rules but yes take it with a grain of salt
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote: It won't. GW knows it can charge a stupid amount for the Marine books being separate because the special snowflake players buy into the whole "they're a unique army!!!!!1!" garbage. More fake stuff from 4chan as expected.
you know, GW can charge double by releasing a Marine Codex with Supplements instead of Snowflake Codex
and books are expensive, much more than the Miniatures, needing only to print one book that all Marine players buy gets them more profit than having several book that only a small group buys
yet, it is the next logical step to remove old Marines by doing no dedicated Old-Marine Codex in 9th
also maintaining one Codex with all Primaris stuff is easier and cheaper than
And they can still keep all the supplements if they want to anyway.
I think a unified marine codex is super likely, with deathwatch included too obviously. It's the only thing that makes their "deathwatch codex is coming soon" make any sense, there's no way it would be one of the first releases otherwise.
And I always thought it was just because they didn't want to give the authors credit.
it all started with Matt "Mad" Ward being author of the Daemon Codex and after that GW stopped writing who is to blame into the books
Not to defence or justify the death threats but the guy didnt exactlly help the situation with the way he has handled the comunity over the years.
I believe that was a part of what contributed to the rules team essentially withdrawing as apparently he had/has a tallent for bringing out the worst in people.
Makes sense really. The dam broke yesterday, so they can't exactly drip feed parts of rules to us anymore.
They could spend a week talking to the rules team and discussing changes and why each change was made, but that would make sense.
They're not that transparent with their rules writing. Apparently too thin skinned for criticism.
On the plus side, if this is the last bit of pr for 9th, maybe they'll finally start hyping up the new fw books. I'm been dying for those since they were announced at LVO (actually more like since the Indexes were released).
I've been waiting 2 years for them since FW let it slip that main studio had taken on new rules for 40k, I just hope they aren't hiding them because they are terribly underpowered and they know the reaction will be bad.
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Yet we do have Chaos Spawns and helbrutes and whatever the freak Mutalith Vortex Beast is. And even with no mutated astartes, could still have bikers, raptors, havocs, chosen, dark apostles, master of possession, a million stuff. And not everything has to be psychic just because it says T.Sons on top. The Predators and Vindicators we can use at the moment are not psychic. Sure could do with a normal discolord or two if you ask me.
No thanks. I don't want to be CSM, but with magic. I rather enjoy the identity of the army and prefer not to ham-fist more units in. People complain about the AoS models (Tzaangors have literally been a Tzeentch thing forever), but turn around and demand non-psychic lords? Good grief.
Also the daemon entries are for summoning. You can share the Tzeentch keyword if you really want to lose the trait.
Makes sense really. The dam broke yesterday, so they can't exactly drip feed parts of rules to us anymore.
They could spend a week talking to the rules team and discussing changes and why each change was made, but that would make sense.
They're not that transparent with their rules writing. Apparently too thin skinned for criticism.
On the plus side, if this is the last bit of pr for 9th, maybe they'll finally start hyping up the new fw books. I'm been dying for those since they were announced at LVO (actually more like since the Indexes were released).
I've been waiting 2 years for them since FW let it slip that main studio had taken on new rules for 40k, I just hope they aren't hiding them because they are terribly underpowered and they know the reaction will be bad.
That's my fear as well. That and the negative reaction if they squat any fw armies (please don't squat my R&H).
Makes sense really. The dam broke yesterday, so they can't exactly drip feed parts of rules to us anymore.
They could spend a week talking to the rules team and discussing changes and why each change was made, but that would make sense.
They're not that transparent with their rules writing. Apparently too thin skinned for criticism.
On the plus side, if this is the last bit of pr for 9th, maybe they'll finally start hyping up the new fw books. I'm been dying for those since they were announced at LVO (actually more like since the Indexes were released).
I've been waiting 2 years for them since FW let it slip that main studio had taken on new rules for 40k, I just hope they aren't hiding them because they are terribly underpowered and they know the reaction will be bad.
That's my fear as well. That and the negative reaction if they squat any fw armies (please don't squat my R&H).
The amount of stuff those books are about to kick into legends is biblical, though can't say I'll miss Marine players Abusing Chaplain Dreadnaughts.
Howver DKK and such going bye bye is very much not an improvement to the game.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: It won't. GW knows it can charge a stupid amount for the Marine books being separate because the special snowflake players buy into the whole "they're a unique army!!!!!1!" garbage. More fake stuff from 4chan as expected.
you know, GW can charge double by releasing a Marine Codex with Supplements instead of Snowflake Codex
and books are expensive, much more than the Miniatures, needing only to print one book that all Marine players buy gets them more profit than having several book that only a small group buys
yet, it is the next logical step to remove old Marines by doing no dedicated Old-Marine Codex in 9th
also maintaining one Codex with all Primaris stuff is easier and cheaper than
Trust me when I say I was appalled at how the Supplements were handled.
Well get ready for more of them, because if this rumour is true, I'd bet we'll be seeing the same treatment for the Legions, at least the undivided ones.
I really hope not. The undivided Chaos Legions are the best (big Iron Warriors and Night Lords fan here)......and having to carry yet another book to a game.......no thanks. Can't we just go back to the days when we had our respective codex (with respective Chapter/Legion/Regiment/Subfaction rules part of it) and our rulebook?
Honestly I wouldn't even mind if they just put out pay for updates to the new digital codexes they are promising. Say if you have the digital Chaos Space Marine codex and a new "Psychic Awakening" type expansion comes out with new rules for CSM, IG, Necrons, Dark Eldar, and Tau. If you could just go and upgrade your codex for 5 bucks with JUST the new CSM stuff, or say 2 bucks if you want an individual subfaction I wouldn't have a problem with that. I have a larger problem paying 40 bucks for a book that I have to lug around where only two pages are relevant to me.
I was thinking of hoping back in to 40k with 9th, but I think I may just stick to other games if GW decides to keep the "Never ending supplements" marketing style going.
Also GW if you are going to make Custodes an Army, can make an actual Traitor Guard/Chaos Mortals book? They have kind of have been missing for a while.....especially with how FW handled Renegades and Heretics.
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no idea on the order of release, but marines (which is a massive book 200+pgs) has all chapters in it, even the specials like BA, SW, DA. then Orks is finished as well I know
both together make kind of sense
Uhh. If GW invalidates BOTH the supplements and the main codex in under a year...they better be doing something nice. Especially considering the loss of 4 months of that time.
no idea on the order of release, but marines (which is a massive book 200+pgs) has all chapters in it, even the specials like BA, SW, DA. then Orks is finished as well I know
both together make kind of sense
Uhh. If GW invalidates BOTH the supplements and the main codex in under a year...they better be doing something nice. Especially considering the loss of 4 months of that time.
Therion had actually posted the rumor first a week or so ago, but anyways: The Marines book isn't "overriding" the supplements, from the impression given off. It's just replacing the core book. BA, SW, DA, BT are supposed to get similar.
If I remembered the exact post right. It was made in the Necron General Discussion thread down in 40k General. Here's the post. I did misremember part of it, but the insistence of BA, SW, etc was the important part with regards to supplements.
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jivardi wrote: But I get it, tournament players have a WAAC mentality even when they choose to play casually.
The funny thing is this is the complete opposite of what this does. Removing the ability to swap stuff means that you cannot choose fluffier, more interesting relics and warlord traits, unless you don't mind just losing some match-ups before they even start. In the old system, you could only take the power-gamer choices when it was necessary to counter a list that you couldn't beat otherwise, but if you didn't come up against such a list, you could switch things up and do fun stuff instead.
Now you're locked into the power-gaming choices because otherwise you just lose if you come up against a list you needed those choices to have a chance against.
The effect of this is to encourage everybody take the most powerful choices every game, even if they'd rather only do it in the 10% of games where they really have to...the exact opposite of what you seem to want to avoid.
It'd be a great argument if your opponent knew ahead of time what you were bringing but remember, EVERYONE has to build a 100% complete list first. So if you take a relic that is good at killing infantry and you end up facing a knight army you have wasted a relic. If your opponent(s) take relics and abilites that help against vehicles and MC's and you show up with Tyranids with lots of little guys that persons relics/abilities are wasted.
As much as I liked 8th I missed 3rd, 4th, and 5th. No stratagems, no relics. Your list was 100% complete before you entered a tournament or some other sanctioned event and guess what? It allowed me and my opponents to get started playing right away and sometimes you had bad luck against certain armies because you couldn't tailor last minute after seeing your opponents army.
If your army needs a certain relic or psychic powers to win than try a new list. 9th edition is going to force people to make new lists. I'm willing to bet most gamers on Dakka have more than 2k points so it's not like you need to spend additional $ to play the game and if you do, tough. I don't get free gasoline for my vehicle, I don't get free MtG cards if I want to change up my deck.
At the tournaments my LGS holds the only thing we are allowed to swap out are psychic powers. Relics, traits, etc have to be chosen before you are even allowed to enter. We show the owner, who is also the TO, our lists. If we don't have a relic chosen cuz we spaced out in list building, too bad. Whatever relics, traits, etc are on the list we are stuck with.
tneva82 wrote: So i say orks shouldn't be own army. It works both ways. You say others factions shouldn't exists, other can wish yours go away.
Dg in particular. That used to be 1 unit. Even less than harlequins. Who had multiple entries in 2nd ed. Great harlequins, shadow seer, solitaire, mimics...lot more than 1 entry. More than death guard.
Remove death guard! Back to single squad in csm with you!
Maybe not Single Squad but I wouldn't mind if DG were absorbed back into the CSM codex. Then maybe I could run Death Guard Oblits and whatnot. oooooh Death Guard Heldrake. That we be so frellin' cool.
I do wonder though if we'll see some consolidation of factions in 9th in one form or another. GW already did that with quite a few factions in AoS(Orruks, Ogors, CoS, Skaven, LoN, Gloomspite) so it wouldn't be unprecedented for GW to recombine factions.
Kinda feels(a hunch) like we might be entering the "supplemental" edition where all the sub-factions would be supplements to a standard codex like the SM one.
If DG and TS should go back into CSM than DA, BA, SW, IH, IF, CF, etc should all be rolled into one codex.
Black Legion represents the generic CSM. The 4 "god" legions in fluff don't behave or fight battles like Black Legion. The "4" SHOULD have separate codeciies and I'm hoping like hell the EC and WE get a codex in 9th.
yukishiro1 wrote: Tabletop titans again (paraphrasing): 9th is a shooting edition, all these changes that seem to nerf melee absolutely do, all our testing has come up with the result that shooting is hugely buffed and melee is boned
Also, you have to choose warlord traits, relics, psychic powers, etc on your datasheet, before you see your opponent's army. No customization at all any more of any kind. Everything needs to be done before on your army list.
This is a huge change, and a really negative one in my opinion. It really sucks having to choose relics and powers before you know the match-up. I didn't even realize this myself looking at the rules. What a huge bummer, and the result is going to be far more homogenization as people will go for safe choices instead of interesting ones.
Yikes. I guess that is the tournament rules?
I'm ok with relics. Marines get abusive with that gak. Psychic powers makes me a little sad, but I have a swap out. It may well force more coherent lists instead of tailoring to the opponent. ALSO - it saves a ton of time.
It takes out a huge part of the game, and a major opportunity to level the playing field between lists that aren't matched well. This will just increase the chances of getting a bad match-up and being able to do nothing about it. Less strategy, more "my list just can't beat your list." Both feels bad moments, IMO. You could tell they were really bummed about it too, barely even trying to put a brave face on it.
Bullcrap. In any other edition that was considered list tailoring and cheating and I am glad it was removed. There were only a couple factions that exploited that which only added to those factions dominance. The obvious elephant in the room is Marines, with more psychic powers, warlord traits and relics then all the xenos combined.
Tabletop titans are some of the shallowest guys, that essentially give you the amazing advice of.... Telling you to play netlists They are parrots that just play the exact same way most forums echo. It's not the worst advice, but it's certainly not innovative of deep either, so I'll gladly ignore their hot takes.
I mean, GW ported over the ITC shopping cart for objectives so there really should be no excuse for bad mismatches. If you have a dud psychic power it looks like you can always smite multiple times, which BTW I don't think was unintentional. Originally they restricted smite by one cast per caster in the 8th rules and later patched in the +1 to each subsequent attempt. I don't think you need both. They may need to address T-Sons and grey knights, but they can always nerf those two specifically. You can also use the psychic objectives alternatively if you think your power is a dud.
As for WLT and relics, maybe your armies general shouldn't have mutable characteristics and relic gear between every engagement lol. It always felt worse if I am playing DE or Necrons and I have no psychic powers, and my relics are always the same because I have about 1 useful one per doctrine and I play a marine player who gets to tailor half his freebee power ups just to rub it in when he was already the more dominant faction.
I'd wager it takes better critical thinking and finds the better strategist when they actually need to adapt to the fog of war rather then list tailor with perfect information every damned time.
Brian said in the Tau faction focus that he had multiple Tau lists written and having playtestet them all they all perform nearly equally. He has a Farsight list, an infantry heavy list, a broadside heavy list, vehicle heavy list so I don't see any indication he is promoting net lists. He's a tournament player and so I suppose like all tournament players he had his opinion on what worked best in 8th. All the tournament players did. I never once heard a LVO or GT participant say "don't copy my list, it sucks. Build your own." LOL
That we know. Seeing they mentioned ultramarines along tau wouldn't surprise if ultra's gain same ability. Pretty safe bet tau won't be only one.
In other news tabletop tactics had br with new points. 2k of sisters seems to have been 1700 under 8th. Well kills theory of some that codex points were for 9th(lol).
For some weird reason condemptor boltgun went to 5 pts. Rf1, s4, ap0, dam d3 vs psykers is sooooo op... hoping guy who gave notes from video(behind paywall for me) was joking. 5 pts for that is joke. Even at 1 pts it's never done anything even vs tsons. I just have couple as they look good and tend to run couple points short so fun cool looking additions.
Either they count as bolters or i rip weapon off if true. No way i pay 5 pts for those.
Who's been saying the Sisters POINTS were for 9th edition? That's a really far out theory if that's the case. It's been assumed since the Sisters codex was the most recent that the "codex" rules/abilities/traits were probably written with 9th in mind. That's likely but the Sisters ponits costs being 9th compatible is not something i've seen and I've been lurking Dakka for the past year or so. LOL
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Makes sense really. The dam broke yesterday, so they can't exactly drip feed parts of rules to us anymore.
They could spend a week talking to the rules team and discussing changes and why each change was made, but that would make sense.
They're not that transparent with their rules writing. Apparently too thin skinned for criticism.
On the plus side, if this is the last bit of pr for 9th, maybe they'll finally start hyping up the new fw books. I'm been dying for those since they were announced at LVO (actually more like since the Indexes were released).
I've been waiting 2 years for them since FW let it slip that main studio had taken on new rules for 40k, I just hope they aren't hiding them because they are terribly underpowered and they know the reaction will be bad.
That's my fear as well. That and the negative reaction if they squat any fw armies (please don't squat my R&H).
Has FW released any major book since Alan Bligh passed? I get the feeling that he was so central to FW that it died with him. Such a shame.
So last I clicked this thread was over 10 pages ago just as the price point for £120 was being thrown about from that leaked release list.
Without going through all the pages of what I assume is rules arguing for the most part,
Is there confirmation on that price?
Danny76 wrote: So last I clicked this thread was over 10 pages ago just as the price point for £120 was being thrown about from that leaked release list.
Without going through all the pages of what I assume is rules arguing for the most part,
Is there confirmation on that price?
Don't know about in pounds, but it's $200 in the US.
Danny76 wrote: So last I clicked this thread was over 10 pages ago just as the price point for £120 was being thrown about from that leaked release list.
Without going through all the pages of what I assume is rules arguing for the most part,
Is there confirmation on that price?
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: It won't. GW knows it can charge a stupid amount for the Marine books being separate because the special snowflake players buy into the whole "they're a unique army!!!!!1!" garbage. More fake stuff from 4chan as expected.
you know, GW can charge double by releasing a Marine Codex with Supplements instead of Snowflake Codex
and books are expensive, much more than the Miniatures, needing only to print one book that all Marine players buy gets them more profit than having several book that only a small group buys
yet, it is the next logical step to remove old Marines by doing no dedicated Old-Marine Codex in 9th
also maintaining one Codex with all Primaris stuff is easier and cheaper than
Trust me when I say I was appalled at how the Supplements were handled.
Well get ready for more of them, because if this rumour is true, I'd bet we'll be seeing the same treatment for the Legions, at least the undivided ones.
I really hope not. The undivided Chaos Legions are the best (big Iron Warriors and Night Lords fan here)......and having to carry yet another book to a game.......no thanks. Can't we just go back to the days when we had our respective codex (with respective Chapter/Legion/Regiment/Subfaction rules part of it) and our rulebook?
Honestly I wouldn't even mind if they just put out pay for updates to the new digital codexes they are promising. Say if you have the digital Chaos Space Marine codex and a new "Psychic Awakening" type expansion comes out with new rules for CSM, IG, Necrons, Dark Eldar, and Tau. If you could just go and upgrade your codex for 5 bucks with JUST the new CSM stuff, or say 2 bucks if you want an individual subfaction I wouldn't have a problem with that. I have a larger problem paying 40 bucks for a book that I have to lug around where only two pages are relevant to me.
I was thinking of hoping back in to 40k with 9th, but I think I may just stick to other games if GW decides to keep the "Never ending supplements" marketing style going.
Also GW if you are going to make Custodes an Army, can make an actual Traitor Guard/Chaos Mortals book? They have kind of have been missing for a while.....especially with how FW handled Renegades and Heretics.
I like this idea. Wasn't thrilled to have to pay $40 for four pages of rules for my Night Lords (and a name generator, of course). I'm hoping they fix R&H in the new fw books.
jivardi wrote:If DG and TS should go back into CSM than DA, BA, SW, IH, IF, CF, etc should all be rolled into one codex.
Black Legion represents the generic CSM. The 4 "god" legions in fluff don't behave or fight battles like Black Legion. The "4" SHOULD have separate codeciies and I'm hoping like hell the EC and WE get a codex in 9th.
The other four Legions don't "behave or fight battles like Black Legion" either.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: It won't. GW knows it can charge a stupid amount for the Marine books being separate because the special snowflake players buy into the whole "they're a unique army!!!!!1!" garbage. More fake stuff from 4chan as expected.
you know, GW can charge double by releasing a Marine Codex with Supplements instead of Snowflake Codex
and books are expensive, much more than the Miniatures, needing only to print one book that all Marine players buy gets them more profit than having several book that only a small group buys
yet, it is the next logical step to remove old Marines by doing no dedicated Old-Marine Codex in 9th
also maintaining one Codex with all Primaris stuff is easier and cheaper than
GW is likely only going to start removing Finecast stuff this early, and then slowly retire other kits as time goes on. There is no rush to retire all the old kits right this second.
And the supplements at least put all the Marines on the same baseline codex that can get updated more frequently while the supplements stay in rotation for longer without needing to be changed. It's a good approach for cleaning up the pile of Marine books into an easier to balance core and is a good way for them to expand other armies in the future as well.
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Gadzilla666 wrote: DDK will be fine, they mentioned working on their rules in one of the streams. It's everything else I'm worried about.
I want Renegades and Heretics back. Not the crap ones they gave us in the index, but the options we had from Vraks. It was literally the most flavorful ruleset GW has released.
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote: It won't. GW knows it can charge a stupid amount for the Marine books being separate because the special snowflake players buy into the whole "they're a unique army!!!!!1!" garbage. More fake stuff from 4chan as expected.
you know, GW can charge double by releasing a Marine Codex with Supplements instead of Snowflake Codex
and books are expensive, much more than the Miniatures, needing only to print one book that all Marine players buy gets them more profit than having several book that only a small group buys
yet, it is the next logical step to remove old Marines by doing no dedicated Old-Marine Codex in 9th
also maintaining one Codex with all Primaris stuff is easier and cheaper than
GW is likely only going to start removing Finecast stuff this early, and then slowly retire other kits as time goes on. There is no rush to retire all the old kits right this second..
this is not what I said
the first step in removing Old-Marines is the remove Old-Marine Codex books, and the best timeframe to do it is an edition change as they just don't get a new one
kits will not be removed but just priced in a way so that the Primaris one is the cheaper alternative and than GW can remove them because no one wants them and no one cares any more
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote: It won't. GW knows it can charge a stupid amount for the Marine books being separate because the special snowflake players buy into the whole "they're a unique army!!!!!1!" garbage. More fake stuff from 4chan as expected.
you know, GW can charge double by releasing a Marine Codex with Supplements instead of Snowflake Codex
and books are expensive, much more than the Miniatures, needing only to print one book that all Marine players buy gets them more profit than having several book that only a small group buys
yet, it is the next logical step to remove old Marines by doing no dedicated Old-Marine Codex in 9th
also maintaining one Codex with all Primaris stuff is easier and cheaper than
GW is likely only going to start removing Finecast stuff this early, and then slowly retire other kits as time goes on. There is no rush to retire all the old kits right this second..
this is not what I said
the first step in removing Old-Marines is the remove Old-Marine Codex books, and the best timeframe to do it is an edition change as they just don't get a new one
kits will not be removed but just priced in a way so that the Primaris one is the cheaper alternative and than GW can remove them because no one wants them and no one cares any more
What "Old Marine books"? They're in the same books as the Primaris.
Gadzilla666 wrote: DDK will be fine, they mentioned working on their rules in one of the streams. It's everything else I'm worried about.
I want Renegades and Heretics back. Not the crap ones they gave us in the index, but the options we had from Vraks. It was literally the most flavorful ruleset GW has released.
Preaching to the choir. Though it isn't Vraks we need back, its IA 13. I want my Demagogue Devotions back, and veterans, with the option to upgrade them to grenadiers again, and carapace armour.
I do wonder what the future holds for FW making things for 40k. They seem entirely focused on boxed games and HH stuff these days. When was the last dedicated 40k Model? Was it the big giant floaty space marine tank thing?
We'll find out pretty soon, when the new rules come out. It should be pretty easy to tell whether they are token rules for a range they plan on slowly discontinuing, or whether they're something to breathe new life into the range and keep it going.
General Kroll wrote: I do wonder what the future holds for FW making things for 40k. They seem entirely focused on boxed games and HH stuff these days. When was the last dedicated 40k Model? Was it the big giant floaty space marine tank thing?
I actually liked the floaty tank thing, but I wish it was a transport too because it looks like it has space.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
They are parrots that just play the exact same way most forums echo. It's not the worst advice, but it's certainly not innovative of deep either, so I'll gladly ignore their hot takes.
hoping guy who gave notes from video(behind paywall for me) was joking. 5 pts for that is joke. Even at 1 pts it's never done anything even vs tsons. I just have couple as they look good and tend to run couple points short so fun cool looking additions.
