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 Sasori wrote:
New Article up on WarCom. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/09/tanks-are-back-on-trackgw-homepage-post-1/

Caught the stream, and these are really great changes. Blast Weapons cannot fire into units they are enganged with though, so keep that in mind.


Triarch Stalkers with Heat Rays seem like a real big winner here. No longer having the -1 to hit by moving makes the HGC loadout a lot better as well.

Remains to be seen what blast weapons necrons have. The monolith big gun is likely candinate. DDA maybe, maybe not.

tneva82 wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
New Article up on WarCom. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/09/tanks-are-back-on-trackgw-homepage-post-1/

Caught the stream, and these are really great changes. Blast Weapons cannot fire into units they are enganged with though, so keep that in mind.


Triarch Stalkers with Heat Rays seem like a real big winner here. No longer having the -1 to hit by moving makes the HGC loadout a lot better as well.

Remains to be seen what blast weapons necrons have. The monolith big gun is likely candinate. DDA maybe, maybe not.

DDA was a large blast before so I imagine it'll be a blast again

Particle Whip (mono) & DDA were both Large Blast

Particle Beamer on TB and the Death Ray were both Small Blast

 Aza'Gorod wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
New Article up on WarCom. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/09/tanks-are-back-on-trackgw-homepage-post-1/

Caught the stream, and these are really great changes. Blast Weapons cannot fire into units they are enganged with though, so keep that in mind.


Triarch Stalkers with Heat Rays seem like a real big winner here. No longer having the -1 to hit by moving makes the HGC loadout a lot better as well.

Remains to be seen what blast weapons necrons have. The monolith big gun is likely candinate. DDA maybe, maybe not.

DDA was a large blast before so I imagine it'll be a blast again

Maybe, but the impression I'm getting from GW is that Blast is for large anti-infantry weapons and the DDA seems much more like a super tank-killer in both lore and rules to me. I could see it going either way. I think it's more likely the Particle Whip becomes Blast. In fact, Necrons generally lacked template weapons in previous editions. I wonder if that will continue with limited access to Blast in 9th or will GW fill that gap with the new models.

Listening to the stream on blast weapons now and they said its weapons with random amount of shots. Not including flamers

Minimum 3 shots at 6+ models, full shots at 11+ models

So the Monolith (assuming it's still the same weapon), the DDA, Doomscythe, Exile Cannon, the Seraptek, I'm sure there's more

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
Listening to the stream on blast weapons now and they said its weapons with random amount of shots. Not including flamers

Minimum 3 shots at 6+ models, full shots at 11+ models

So the Monolith (assuming it's still the same weapon), the DDA, Doomscythe, Exile Cannon, the Seraptek, I'm sure there's more

Did they say if that includes D3 or just D6?

 MannyMcCoconut wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
Listening to the stream on blast weapons now and they said its weapons with random amount of shots. Not including flamers

Minimum 3 shots at 6+ models, full shots at 11+ models

So the Monolith (assuming it's still the same weapon), the DDA, Doomscythe, Exile Cannon, the Seraptek, I'm sure there's more

Did they say if that includes D3 or just D6?

It includes D3, so D3 shots gets full shots at 6+

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Surprised nobody's mentioned the Doom Scythe yet. This change is great news for flyers with heavy weapons.

Nice! I didn't think of this!

I don't think they'll rework quantum shielding, but I'm really hopeful that RP and tombworld deployment will get some attention.

I wonder is the Ddark will change. They said you're going to need to move around more to get shots off with your vehicles due to terrain. That would be a negative for the doomsday cannon, but maybe the monolith with the mini deathrays will make up for it?

punisher357 wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Surprised nobody's mentioned the Doom Scythe yet. This change is great news for flyers with heavy weapons.

Nice! I didn't think of this!

I don't think they'll rework quantum shielding, but I'm really hopeful that RP and tombworld deployment will get some attention.

Totally agree. I think giving our flyers Quantum shielding would go a long way to making them more viable

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:

punisher357 wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Surprised nobody's mentioned the Doom Scythe yet. This change is great news for flyers with heavy weapons.

Nice! I didn't think of this!

I don't think they'll rework quantum shielding, but I'm really hopeful that RP and tombworld deployment will get some attention.

Totally agree. I think giving our flyers Quantum shielding would go a long way to making them more viable

I'm interested to see how they're going to have flyers function in general. We know that they can't be blocked from moving by ground units anymore and they won't die for flying off the board. I'm wondering how they come back on the board.
It always seemed very strange to me that the super Advanced Flyers couldn't make a simple u-turn

Something that occured to me is the nightbringer can how use his look of death in CC which is pretty handy when fighting large groups of guys

with the blast rule it appears we won't be seeing 20-warrior unit silver tides this edition either.

bummer.

torblind wrote:
with the blast rule it appears we won't be seeing 20-warrior unit silver tides this edition either.

bummer.

Yeah, not looking great for the silvertide at the moment.

Changes to RP and points modifications/cover could help change this though.

EDIT: Terrain and cover could make a difference too. Using a Ghost Ark to help Obscure your big blob may end up having a nice big benefit.

Also I vwas secretly holding out for dirt cheap particle tomb blades, but if their assault 3 gets hit with a blast keyword, they would lose out on cc I guess.

torblind wrote:
Also I vwas secretly holding out for dirt cheap particle tomb blades, but if their assault 3 gets hit with a blast keyword, they would lose out on cc I guess.

Considering Blast seems to only apply to weapons with random shots I think Tomb Blades will be fine, unless particle weapons change. I know they use to use pie plates, but it doesn't make sense to me to add the Blast keyword to a weapon that wouldn't benefit from it

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:

torblind wrote:
Also I vwas secretly holding out for dirt cheap particle tomb blades, but if their assault 3 gets hit with a blast keyword, they would lose out on cc I guess.

Considering Blast seems to only apply to weapons with random shots I think Tomb Blades will be fine, unless particle weapons change. I know they use to use pie plates, but it doesn't make sense to me to add the Blast keyword to a weapon that wouldn't benefit from it

It was stated in the stream that around 170 weapons would be gaining the 'Blast' keyword. We'll have to wait and see if they change any other weapons due to fluff reasons.

The way they talked about the reveal tomorrow makes it sound like it'll be more of an unboxing than actual review.

However, they did say they would have articles next week about it, so tomorrow they reveal the contents, then talk about units/rules over the week. At least thats what it sounds like

Starter Set pictures confirmed

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/12/warhammer-40000-preview-tomorrowgw-homepage-post-4/

That first close up looks like a tachyon arrow to me.

Seems to be missing that single Cadian trooper model

100% a tachyon arrow, hopefully it's now a wargear option instead of (This specific Character is equipped with this and no one else can use it)

That stalker thing looks more alien than I thought, it'll be interesting to see the rules for that

Pretty sure the guy with as gauss blaster is a new lord, has the glyph collar, and now we know he has a cloak too, it'll be interesting to see what they do with it

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
100% a tachyon arrow, hopefully it's now a wargear option instead of (This specific Character is equipped with this and no one else can use it)

That stalker thing looks more alien than I thought, it'll be interesting to see the rules for that

Pretty sure the guy with as gauss blaster is a new lord, has the glyph collar, and now we know he has a cloak too, it'll be interesting to see what they do with it

Nah, it's a new weapon. The Hyperphase Punch-Dagger

 Sasori wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
100% a tachyon arrow, hopefully it's now a wargear option instead of (This specific Character is equipped with this and no one else can use it)

That stalker thing looks more alien than I thought, it'll be interesting to see the rules for that

Pretty sure the guy with as gauss blaster is a new lord, has the glyph collar, and now we know he has a cloak too, it'll be interesting to see what they do with it

Nah, it's a new weapon. The Hyperphase Punch-Dagger

Harrow-phase Hyper Knife*

If the Skorpekh Lord is the Crabby Stabby Daddy does that make this guys just the Stabby Daddy?

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
100% a tachyon arrow, hopefully it's now a wargear option instead of (This specific Character is equipped with this and no one else can use it)

That stalker thing looks more alien than I thought, it'll be interesting to see the rules for that

Pretty sure the guy with as gauss blaster is a new lord, has the glyph collar, and now we know he has a cloak too, it'll be interesting to see what they do with it

Nah, it's a new weapon. The Hyperphase Punch-Dagger

Harrow-phase Hyper Knife*

If the Skorpekh Lord is the Crabby Stabby Daddy does that make this guys just the Stabby Daddy?

Speculation he's either a Lord or Overlord. We don't really know yet.

 Sasori wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
100% a tachyon arrow, hopefully it's now a wargear option instead of (This specific Character is equipped with this and no one else can use it)

That stalker thing looks more alien than I thought, it'll be interesting to see the rules for that

Pretty sure the guy with as gauss blaster is a new lord, has the glyph collar, and now we know he has a cloak too, it'll be interesting to see what they do with it

Nah, it's a new weapon. The Hyperphase Punch-Dagger

I heard a 4chan rumour it's called a hyper phase toothpick

I mean, if the hacker known as 4chan said it . . .

 MannyMcCoconut wrote:
That first close up looks like a tachyon arrow to me.

Doesn't quite match Anrakyr's, or was his wrist weapon been changed?

Still, a good guess for the bog standard one.

Saw a walker and an Immortal in there as well.

 Charistoph wrote:

 MannyMcCoconut wrote:
That first close up looks like a tachyon arrow to me.

Doesn't quite match Anrakyr's, or was his wrist weapon been changed?

Still, a good guess for the bog standard one.

Saw a walker and an Immortal in there as well.

Considering Anrakyr is an older kit I'm not surprised it has an updated look. New canoptek walker thing that we saw from the monolith image, and that's a character (likely a lord) with gauss blaster, luckily no new immortals kit

I dont think it's an immortal. Look at the stuff on the side. Looks like the belts on an overlord. I think it's a new hq

 Sasori wrote:

torblind wrote:
with the blast rule it appears we won't be seeing 20-warrior unit silver tides this edition either.

bummer.

Yeah, not looking great for the silvertide at the moment.

Changes to RP and points modifications/cover could help change this though.

EDIT: Terrain and cover could make a difference too. Using a Ghost Ark to help Obscure your big blob may end up having a nice big benefit.

We need to face the hard truth. GW doesn't think lists with 150 troops models should be winning over lists that have troops, elites, FA, heavy support, etc. Because they spent all that effort making models and rules for all those other choices and they want us to use them. To GW, lists with nothing but tons of troop models in them are mere fluff bunnies.