Necron 9th edition general discussion thread.

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**MannyMcCoconut**

Well that's one way around the reanimation protocol issue. Just have it refer to "codex necrons"

**Kharne the Befriender**

I like the distinction of Aura abilities, removes any ambiguity.

And I'm not sure what to make of those cryptothralls, they seem pretty good

**Lord Damocles**

I like how random canoptek thralls are apparently so superior to the bodies of the elite Immortals.

Why not just make armies of Thrall constructs?

**Sasori**

So, a few major things stand out from this.

First, this has both RP and Living metal. I don't think any other unit does that. We know that RP is changing in some way, but the core of getting guys back is staying.

This indicates a change to Living Metal though, as I don't think the recover one wound a turn makes any sense. The model also has Canoptek.

On the surface, these seem really good. With the new character rules, these just remove the ability to shoot your Crypteks all together while they are in range. They can also pump out a lot of pistol shots and CC attacks for what appears to be a very low cost.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Yeah, the thralls seem pretty good. Those 6 attacks seem nasty.

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Lord Damocles wrote:
I like how random canoptek thralls are apparently so superior to the bodies of the elite Immortals.

Why not just make armies of Thrall constructs?

It would seem that they can only function properly if there's a cryptek nearby.
So logistically speaking, making an entire army out of constructs that can only really function if there's another construct close by doesn't really make sense.
Immortals don't need crypteks to function properly.

**Grimgold**

Sasori wrote:
Cryptothrall Data sheet:

Spoiler:

wow those weedy little dudes are s5 and t5? Those guys are super cool, and dirt cheap.

**Kharne the Befriender**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yeah, the thralls seem pretty good. Those 6 attacks seem nasty.

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Lord Damocles wrote:
I like how random canoptek thralls are apparently so superior to the bodies of the elite Immortals.

Why not just make armies of Thrall constructs?

It would seem that they can only function properly if there's a cryptek nearby.
So logistically speaking, making an entire army out of constructs that can only really function if there's another construct close by doesn't really make sense.
Immortals don't need crypteks to function properly.

Not just that, the wording reads to me that you can't bring thralls without a cryptek.

Having Cryptothralls balances out the really sub par and mediocre durability/attack ability of crypteks, makes them less of a liability to keep forward

**CthuluIsSpy**

Kharne the Befriender wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yeah, the thralls seem pretty good. Those 6 attacks seem nasty.

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Lord Damocles wrote:
I like how random canoptek thralls are apparently so superior to the bodies of the elite Immortals.

Why not just make armies of Thrall constructs?

It would seem that they can only function properly if there's a cryptek nearby.
So logistically speaking, making an entire army out of constructs that can only really function if there's another construct close by doesn't really make sense.
Immortals don't need crypteks to function properly.

Not just that, the wording reads to me that you can't bring thralls without a cryptek.

Having Cryptothralls balances out the really sub par and mediocre durability/attack ability of crypteks, makes them less of a liability to keep forward

I think you can take them without a cryptek, they just chew up detachment slots.
Spending a slot on 2 model unit that's not actually that powerful without a cryptek isn't really efficient.

Edit : Oh nevermind, I misread it. Yeah, you can only take thralls if you have teks.

**Kharne the Befriender**

The cool thing is that they're not specific to Plasmancers, so normal Crypteks can take em too

**Venerable Ironclad**

They are basically Cryptek servitors.

**Kharne the Befriender**

I wonder if the plasmancer will get any buffs for having them nearby or if they're just bodyguards, I'd guess the latter

**Aza'Gorod**

Also on a side note "Oh boy another space marine unit that can double tap"

Unless they get stuck in a repulsor I can see the new primaris unit attracting a lot of attention

**Grimgold**

Aza'Gorod wrote:
Also on a side note "Oh boy another space marine unit that can double tap"

Unless they get stuck in a repulsor I can see the new primaris unit attracting a lot of attention

They are eggshells armed with a hammer, at about 33 points a model, or 11 points per wound. Marines are about to discover why we have a love-hate relationship with our destroyers.

**torblind**

kinda sucks that destroyers max out at 6 models, which means all kinds of hazzles and penalties trigger for them at the moment.

**Aza'Gorod**

Grimgold wrote:
Aza'Gorod wrote:
Also on a side note "Oh boy another space marine unit that can double tap"

Unless they get stuck in a repulsor I can see the new primaris unit attracting a lot of attention

They are eggshells armed with a hammer, at about 33 points a model, or 11 points per wound. Marines are about to discover why we have a love-hate relationship with our destroyers.

Haha, I like the comparison there.

I was actually surprised at the reveal. I was under the impression we won't be finding out more till Saturday, unless they are going to release 2 models each day in the build up till Sat?

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torblind wrote:
kinda sucks that destroyers max out at 6 models, which means all kinds of hazzles and penalties trigger for them at the moment.

The new edition hurts them a bit. Though considering cryptothralls have Living metal, RP and the canoptek key word that makes me wonder if destroyers have gained living metal or maybe wraiths

**Slipspace**

Interesting info on the Cryptothralls. Looks like the new datasheets will specifically call out things that are Auras. Also, I wonder if that new Protectors rule is what most Bodyguard rules will eventually change to?

**CthuluIsSpy**

Eh, I tend to field destroyers in groups of 3. 6 feels too unwieldy, and its a big investment for one unit. I prefer the flexibility of having multiple units of destroyers.

Cryptothralls seem great, but I can see that protector rule getting abused. If you hide the thralls you pretty much made your cryptek immortal. There should at least be some damage redirection to prevent cheese.

**Draco765**

Cryptothralls - Protector ability

No question that it is a replacement for Look Out, Sir (specifically the unit of 3+ models within 3"), but does it also Negate the typical Sniper weapon ability to target any character within it's range?

Of course this question is based on our understanding of the current wording on those various Sniper weapons, which may or may not change.

**Aza'Gorod**

Draco765 wrote:
Cryptothralls - Protector ability

No question that it is a replacement for Look Out, Sir (specifically the unit of 3+ models within 3"), but does it also Negate the typical Sniper weapon ability to target any character within it's range?

Of course this question is based on our understanding of the current wording on those various Sniper weapons, which may or may not change.

From the wording my understanding is yes it negates Snipers ability, but the sniper rule might get modified next edition.

Though let's be honest if it doesn't affect snipers in some way then its kind of a pointless rule

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I'd argue Szeras is probably one of our best CC characters if only he had an invulnerable save. He has more attacks then an overlord and is tougher with a fairly reliable damage.

Not saying he is a combat master at all I'm sure the skorpekh Lord will be, but he's quite good for say heroic interventions now to catch out an opponent with 4 3+ str 7 -3 2 damage attacks

**Kharne the Befriender**

Szeras may not be the best, but I'd love to run him with with some thralls and Skorpekh, just to see how they do

**Aza'Gorod**

I hope all our Special characters get the szeras treatment.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Hmmm.

MOT is about to cost me £740+.....that’s put a wee crimp in my plans for awakening a tomb world.

**Sasori**

Here is a points "leak". As always take with salt. It closely adds up about what I did for my napkin math, but someone else could have just done the same thing.

**Aza'Gorod**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Hmmm.

MOT is about to cost me £740+.....that’s put a wee crimp in my plans for awakening a tomb world.

Oohhh nasty, mines due this month as well so I'm holding my breath as well

**Kharne the Befriender**

Those points don't seem out of line, hopefully the stats are justified

**Sasori**

/Overlord is a regular one so i skip for the jucy bits he got a trachionarrow 120" assault 1 S12 Ap-5 D D6 one use only and Hyperphase Scythe S+2 AP-3 D D3

/Kingsguard: M5" WS3+ BS3+ S5 T5 W4 A3 LD10 SV3+ Reqlic Gaus Blaster 24" Rapidfire2 S5 AP-2 D2 living metal in the movement phase, can select a friendly dynasty unit within 9" that unit can fall back and still shoot & attack

/Plasmamancer: (got cryptek keyword) M5" WS3+ BS3+ S4 T4 W4 A1 LD10 SV4+ Plasmalance: 18" AssaultD3 S7 AP-3 D2 Plasmalance (melee) Suser AP-3 D2

living metal at the end of the movement phase, can select a enemy unit within 18" and visible to him. on a 4+ it takes a MW

at the start of the close combat phase roll a d6 for every enemy unit in 6" on a 4+ it suffers a MW

/Skorpekh Lord M8" WS2+ BS2+ S6 T6 W6 A4 LD10 SV3+

Anihilator: 19" Assault 2d3 S6 Ap-1 D1 Explosive (the new auto hit mechanic vs hordes) "For each wound a unit takes from this weapon, roll a D6. On a 5+, it deals a MW to the unit. Then roll a D6 for each MW done to the unit. On a 5+, another MW is dealt. Continue until either the dice pool is empty, or the unit is destroyed." Claws: S user Ap-1 D1 can do 2 attack rolls instead of 1 for each attack Scythe S+2 AP-4 D3 -1 to hit

living metal friendly destructor cult units within 6" gain reroll 1 on wound rolls 4+ invul he can reroll hit rolls of 1

/Skorpekh destructors M8" WS3+ BS3+ S5 T5 W3 A3 LD10 SV3+ Plasmacyte: M8" WS4+ BS4+ S4 T5 W1 A1 LD10 SV4+ Their Twin CC weapons: Suser AP-3 D2 the user can make 1 additional attack with that weapon Their big CC weapon S+2 AP-4 D3 Plasmacyte: Suser AP-1 D1

reanimation protocolls (see codex necrons) weapon infusion. if a unit has a plasmacite it can roll a d6 at the start of the close combat phase. if a 1 is rolled, 1 destructor gets removed. in any case the whole unit gains +1S and +1A

they all can reroll hit rolls of 1

/Kryptothralls have allready been leaked, skipping those.

/Kanoptech Reanimator M8" WS4+ BS4+ S5 T5 W6 A4 LD10 SV3+ Atomiser (he got those 2x) 12" Assault 3 S6 AP-2 D1 Melee S user AP-2 D1

living metal in your command phase, select a friendly dynasty unit within 9" of this model, add 1 to reanimation protocoll rolls for that unit

/last is necron warriors and scarabs, profiles havent changed, warriors only got that one new weapon that was allready leaked.

Thats it for the book. i will come back in a few hours and post some rule changes. keep at being awesome, love you guys

**Kharne the Befriender**

If that's all true, it doesn't look half bad.

Very skeptical about the characters though, Plasmancer seems... bad, if that's all he does

**torblind**

That MW thing looks fun.

**Sasori**

Reanimator seems really bad if this is the case. It dies to a stiff breeze.

**torblind**

Sasori wrote:
Reanimator seems really bad if this is the case. It dies to a stiff breeze.

Might not get prioritized by enemy.