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I think it likely makes sense any time you need to do damage and aren't wounding on a 2+. But definitely should be on stuff where you have high damage without randomness. So death rays and such if you aren't working with the silent king.

Or when you really, Really, REALLY want to make sure that you take the last wound off of something.

It's any Necron model, so yeah, works as well for an Anni Barge as it does a Tesla Immortal. Are we complaining about a stratagem that procs consistently without having to roll for permission to roll first?

I think itd be pretty good on an annihilation barge.

It's definitely an interesting strat, could have interesting results if used consistently

 Ghaz wrote:
Codex: Necrons – New Crusade Rules on Warhammer Community (and more Necron photos - in a new paint scheme):

Spoiler:

Most likely from the Sautekh Dynasty using the color for their Canopteks and vehicles...

I might paint an army like this just to make my opponents brain melt from lookyimg ab frum folky Ann Urug

Especially after seeing this wargear list, I'm really curious to see the new Cryptek lineup.

Also really hoping the old fashioned Destroyer Lord gets some love.

 Denegaar wrote:
I'm pretty happy for you Necron players, you actually are getting a lot of cool toys.

Hope all Xenos got this treatment, and I don't see why not.

Yeah, even as a Necron player, I'll be extremely disappointed if Dark Eldar and other neglected races don't get similar treatment.

 vipoid wrote:
Especially after seeing this wargear list, I'm really curious to see the new Cryptek lineup.

Also really hoping the old fashioned Destroyer Lord gets some love.

 Denegaar wrote:
I'm pretty happy for you Necron players, you actually are getting a lot of cool toys.

Hope all Xenos got this treatment, and I don't see why not.

Yeah, even as a Necron player, I'll be extremely disappointed if Dark Eldar and other neglected races don't get similar treatment.

I'd temper expectations then. I think the only reason we got this huge focus is because we are the "Bad Guys" this edition, and they put a lot of money into the marketing of everything.

I do think other Xenos books will get a fair amount (the general weapon changes make it mandatory). I'm just leery that Craftworlds and Dark Eldar will get the short end of the stick in favor of Ynnari. (which to be fair need to either be a faction, not just 3 characters, or they need to dump the concept).

I'm intensely curious to see who wins the Golden Ticket for the 'early 2021 Xenos codex'

It would be awesome if living metal added an extra dice to the RP roll as if the model had +1 wound. That would help give RP some milage with multi-wound models....

It would still need it's current wound recovery as well, and hopefully that'll get a buff too, so it's not completely wasted on a model like the monolith!

MrPieChee wrote:
It would be awesome if living metal added an extra dice to the RP roll as if the model had +1 wound. That would help give RP some milage with multi-wound models....

It would still need it's current wound recovery as well, and hopefully that'll get a buff too, so it's not completely wasted on a model like the monolith!

I don't think the +1W aspect will change, it's good as is imo. And they could easily add a strat to increase the wounds for something like a monolith, or you could use a technomancer.

But I'm with you in hoping it adds more dice to the pool, that'd be the saving grace of RP, and perhaps the Technomancer too

MrPieChee wrote:
It would be awesome if living metal added an extra dice to the RP roll as if the model had +1 wound. That would help give RP some milage with multi-wound models....

It would still need it's current wound recovery as well, and hopefully that'll get a buff too, so it's not completely wasted on a model like the monolith!

Living metal is mentioned in the command protocols. 'Undying legion' can increase the wounds regained from 1 to 2. So by default LM still only does 1 wound of healing.

Voss wrote:

MrPieChee wrote:
It would be awesome if living metal added an extra dice to the RP roll as if the model had +1 wound. That would help give RP some milage with multi-wound models....

It would still need it's current wound recovery as well, and hopefully that'll get a buff too, so it's not completely wasted on a model like the monolith!

Living metal is mentioned in the command protocols. 'Undying legion' can increase the wounds regained from 1 to 2. So by default LM still only does 1 wound of healing.

That doesn't mean that that may be all living metal does. It could just be that's the only thing the protocol enhances about it.

Voss wrote:
I do think other Xenos books will get a fair amount (the general weapon changes make it mandatory). I'm just leery that Craftworlds and Dark Eldar will get the short end of the stick in favor of Ynnari. (which to be fair need to either be a faction, not just 3 characters, or they need to dump the concept).

I'm intensely curious to see who wins the Golden Ticket for the 'early 2021 Xenos codex'

In former editions I would have said Eldar.
But Eldar doesn't have the love they received in former editions
which you can see from the changes made for Ynnari.

Ynnari is more geared towards cc and this is not I would expect from a competitive Eldar army.

Voss wrote:
I'm intensely curious to see who wins the Golden Ticket for the 'early 2021 Xenos codex'

We have seen both a drukhari and an ork model, so I think either one will be paired with the DA angels release early next year.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/10/02/codes-in-your-codexes/

Not much of interest except to confirm we can get Skorpeks in units of 3-6 and they're down by 5 points/1PL from Edge of Silence.

 unitled wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/10/02/codes-in-your-codexes/

Not much of interest except to confirm we can get Skorpeks in units of 3-6 and they're down by 5 points/1PL from Edge of Silence.

That's pretty nice, saves 30 points on a full unit. I'm so glad that it's finally confirmed we can take them in units of 6.


Here was a leak that was up on Reddit. The Quantum Shielding matches the quantum field rule from the Battle report, and Rites about matches up what I thought it would do.

Quantic Shield : is now a 5+ invulnerable save and on top of that, you ignore unmodified wound roll of 1/2/3.

Doomstalker : has a 4+ invulnerable save. It can overwatch à la T'au, which means he get to shoot at ennemy units which charged a friendly unit within 6" of the Doomstalker. He can fire at it with the "big profile" of its weapon (forgot its name). Does not have QS.

Canoptek units : they now all have RP.

Rites of Reanimation : each Necron unit can only be targeted once by Rites of Reanimation. Select a Necron unit : D3 Necron Warriors are revived or 1 model if it's not a Necron Warriors unit.

Monolith is 380 points with 4 "mini Death Rays". Silent King is 450 and Ctan of the Void Dragon is 350

Here’s hoping they’re accurate

I really hope they aren't accurate. QS as it is now is one of the best rules in the game IMO because of how fluffy it is. That new version is just dull by comparison.

Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
I really hope they aren't accurate. QS as it is now is one of the best rules in the game IMO because of how fluffy it is. That new version is just dull by comparison.

The current one renders new melta almost pointless so needed to change.

QS change is a little disappointing, it's essentially a -1 to wound on most AV weapons and not much change on everything else...

...BUT very nice to finally get an inv save on vehicles.

EDIT: An RoR looks nice if that's accurate, better than the Hospitaller ability which I had my hopes pegged on. Again, a lot more consistent and even, and I really really like warriors with all the rules they have now (assuming they keep the reroll 1s ability too).

If these rumours are true, then you have your answer right there why multi-wound models do not benefit as much from RP as others.

Together with the new Quantum shields and RP for Canoptek units, it seems to shape out to be a good Codex.

Dudeface wrote:

Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
I really hope they aren't accurate. QS as it is now is one of the best rules in the game IMO because of how fluffy it is. That new version is just dull by comparison.

The current one renders new melta almost pointless...

You say this like its a bad thing....

FWIW I think *effectively* -1 to wound and a 5++ is a solid defensive profile. Its less swingy, but probably easier to value and therefore justifies lower points costs.

Yeah, like the RP change it's easier to accurately cost and balance around it.

I like the new QS, not as good against melta or things with constant high damage. But now we're less likely to get vaporozed by plasma and other high AP, high S, low damage weapons. And considering we're tough 6, the wounding on 4's helps a lot

Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
I really hope they aren't accurate. QS as it is now is one of the best rules in the game IMO because of how fluffy it is. That new version is just dull by comparison.

What makes it fluffy?

It's interesting, to be sure, but what makes it fluffy?

QS change is huge for arks and stalkers as they are only T6.

QS change also helps against the big weakness of the previous version - mass D2 - which could be more popular than ever with 2W marines baseline.

 JNAProductions wrote:
What makes it fluffy?

It's interesting, to be sure, but what makes it fluffy?

The Necrons are far more technologically advanced than the other 40k races. Their tech is from the time of war in heaven when their opponents were far more advanced than 40k races. Because of this, their vehicles are not tough and covered in thick armour like 40k races (because that wouldn't help against the super powered weaponry of the war in heaven), instead they have energy shields designed to shrug of ridiculously powerful shots.

The current QS rules are great at representing this because really powerful weapons that do 6 damage are useless against it. The way to beat it is with lower tech, low damage weapons that the Necrons did not used to have to worry about. It allows the Necrons to have rules that represent their superior technology, without breaking the game.

I suspect the old QS rule prevented GW from increasing the damage of weapons in the game without having it become broken. We will probably be seeing more weapons doing damage along the lines of the Death ray, Anihilator Beam, and close range melta in the new codexes.

 buddha wrote:
QS change is huge for arks and stalkers as they are only T6.

Math!

Old Quantum Shielding Damage Numbers
D1=1
D2=1.67
D3=2
D4=2
D5=1.67
D6=1
Dd3=1.56
Dd6=1.56

So, against a Lascannon hit...

Old
2/3 wounds
2/3 failed saves
1.04 damage

New
1/2 wounds
2/6 or 1/3 failed saves
1.17 damage

Against an Autocannon hit...

Old
2/3 wounds
4/9 failed saves
.74 damage

New
1/2 wounds
2/6 or 1/3 failed saves
.67 damage

Against an Overcharged Plasma hit...

Old
2/3 wounds
2/3 failed saves
1.11 damage

New
1/2 wounds
2/6 or 1/3 failed saves
.67 damage

So, it looks like a relatively minor change in durability against the current suite of anti-tank overall.

It'll suffer against Knight's melee weapons and similar...

Old
5/6 wounds
5/6 failed saves
5/6 damage

New
1/2 wounds
2/6 or 1/3 failed saves
2 damage

Taking more than twice the damage from before, but overall, not a terrible change.

Voss wrote:

I'm intensely curious to see who wins the Golden Ticket for the 'early 2021 Xenos codex'

I say this with sincerity: I hope it's Tau

9th edition has kind of broken the way they work more than any other faction due to their previous reliance on the Fly keyword and Overwatch.