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SirGrotzalot wrote:
Really liked everything I saw just mildly annoying they didn’t give us a price. First Sony an now GW. What’s with companies not wanting to tell their customers how much something cost. It will be the same if it’s now or next week. I need to know how much money to set aside for it. The more time I have makes it easier to collect the money.

GW have almost never revealed prices before they go up for pre order, so is it really a surprise to see them continue to do so?

(As for Sony, I've seen reports that Microsoft were deliberatly holding out on announcing their price until Sony do so that they can undercut them. I don't know if there's any truth to that but since Sony have had that tactic work really well for them on at least 2 occasions previously they don't want it being used on them.)

That techmarine gunner reminds me that I really wish they'd release a proper primaris techmarine. It is the only classic marine specialists not having an upgrade.

Most of the Necron stuff is excellent. While I appreciate the design direction of a lot of the Primaris stuff, I can't get over the tabard-under-chestplate and aquila going up the gorget thing, they highlight my least favourite bits of the regular MK10. The meltagun guys are just...there, I guess. The bikes confuse and annoy me, because every time I look at them my initial impression is good, and then I remember they've managed to take stuff like the ground clearance issue of the old bikes and make it worse.

The Tiny Tumbler ATV is sheer, unadulterated comedy. Like, for real, congrats GW, you have managed to outdo both the Chibihawk and Centurions, it's actually impressive.

 Grimtuff wrote:

Guess I’m not a true fan of 40k as the only thing I need from this box is the rulebook.

Do you need that specific cover? Because that's apparently all the exclusivity there is with regards to it.

Not one of those minis interest me as I collect neither army, nor does the godawful quad bike and the gun emplacement thing (because if there is one thing a rapid insertion force needs, its static gun emplacements...).

I think someone took a look at the old fluff for Tarantulas(which Marines did use) and decided that it needed someone plugged in. Not sure why it's called a "Servo-Turret" when there's a Techmarine interfaced with it!

Firestrike and Invader would have been perfect places to bring Serfs onto the battlefield for the first time.

Anyway, it's almost a certainty that we will be seeing the speeder soon now as well... All the fast elements (other than fliers and Jump pack troops) will be covered for primaris then.

I still think the assault intercessors will have jump packs in the actual kit personally.

Sisters box was what, £120?

£200 is my guess, though up to £250 wouldn't surprise me. A global pandemic barely hit GW and their price rise stunt has been (predictably) completely forgotten about by the new Malibu Stacy announcements, so coupled with the 'limited' nature I could see them trying to push their luck on pricing.

The Necron stuff looks great. The Primaris are... okay to meh, but the ATV might actually be the worst 40k vehicle I can think of since the Taurox.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
Looks like the old Destroyer and Heavy Destroyer units are being rolled together into the new Lokhust Heavy Destroyer which gets two weapon loadouts. I'm noticing that we've only ever seen a picture of the model on it's own so I'm guessing it'll come in squads of 1-3 like the current Heavy Destroyers, potentially no more 6 man squads.

And probably in boxes of 1 at more than the cost of what a Broadside costs now.

God I hope not, Broadsides are allready £32.50.

 Imateria wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Just noticed that the Heavy Destroyer has a different gun to the super-chunky one the one in the leaked group photo had.

More options, but sadly the body is identical.

Looks like the old Destroyer and Heavy Destroyer units are being rolled together into the new Lokhust Heavy Destroyer which gets two weapon loadouts. I'm noticing that we've only ever seen a picture of the model on it's own so I'm guessing it'll come in squads of 1-3 like the current Heavy Destroyers, potentially no more 6 man squads.

Not sure on that, on the official Warhammer Instagram post for the Destroyer they state that it is a new class of Destroyer...so possibly not a replacement?

"Mk.III Autonomous Servo-Munition" - 2CP
"As they support their smaller Outrider brethren, Invader ATVs often find themselves facing down larger and more armoured opponents. In an effort to assist gunners against larger targets than even the hallowed Multi-Melta can handle, some Invaders come equipped with the Mk.III Autonomous Servo-Munition. These unusual hover-bombs emit a peculiar blue glow, and have multiple sensorium protrusions over its upper shell that better allow them to track their targets. Once fired, they seek out the most dangerous opponent and then detonate on impact."

Rules: Something something... more mortal wounds probably.

 Crimson wrote:
That techmarine gunner reminds me that I really wish they'd release a proper primaris techmarine. It is the only classic marine specialists not having an upgrade.

That's why I want a Primaris Thunderfire cannon. We'd get a Primaris Tech-Marine with that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And probably in boxes of 1 at more than the cost of what a Broadside costs now.

The buggy, turret, Heavy Destroyer and walker are all "easy to build" kits.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Sisters box was what, £120?

£200 is my guess, though up to £250 wouldn't surprise me. A global pandemic barely hit GW and their price rise stunt has been (predictably) completely forgotten about by the new Malibu Stacy announcements, so coupled with the 'limited' nature I could see them trying to push their luck on pricing.

The Necron stuff looks great. The Primaris are... okay to meh, but the ATV might actually be the worst 40k vehicle I can think of since the Taurox.

They said there would be over a 50% saving on buying these individually, so I can't see the price going that high.

MaxT wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Limited non starter box for the new 40k edition?
Confused of what's the point?

I hope its not them just playing with words to build hype because all that does is just the opposite.

This box is for existing players. There’ll be a different product aimed squarely at new players. It allows them to tailor the specific box to the target market - example given was no dice or measuring sticks needed in this box. It makes good business sense.

Im no biz expert and wish the best of success to GW with these sets... Thing is, I would think it would be ideal at launch of a new edition of a game that targeting to as many people as possible is the way to go? ...Oh well.
I like 40k minis casually so yep not a true fan I guess.
This has all the ingredients to be expensive then. Starter deal labeled as Lted edition for hardcore fans... Apart from dice and rulers is it not a typical push fit Starter box?

GoatboyBeta wrote:
The buggy, turret, Heavy Destroyer and walker are all "easy to build" kits.

Where did it say that?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
The buggy, turret, Heavy Destroyer and walker are all "easy to build" kits.

Where did it say that?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/13/warhammer-40000-preview-beyond-the-boxgw-homepage-post-2/

Bottom of the page, "All of these kits will be available as push fit models".

ATV makes me happy, just like the bikes do.

I am always surprised at what breaks immersion for people. 7ft tall super soldiers wielding automatic grenade launchers? Fine.

Bike model doesn’t have enough ground clearance? Hey now, I am missing out on my realism.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Most of the Necron stuff is excellent. While I appreciate the design direction of a lot of the Primaris stuff, I can't get over the tabard-under-chestplate and aquila going up the gorget thing, they highlight my least favourite bits of the regular MK10. The meltagun guys are just...there, I guess. The bikes confuse and annoy me, because every time I look at them my initial impression is good, and then I remember they've managed to take stuff like the ground clearance issue of the old bikes and make it worse.

The Tiny Tumbler ATV is sheer, unadulterated comedy. Like, for real, congrats GW, you have managed to outdo both the Chibihawk and Centurions, it's actually impressive.

They went and gave it tires off of an economy car and they didn't give it any clearance to mach the bikes lol.

Then the gun not being able to tilt down without conking the driver on the melon pops to mind.

It's one of those things where everything is well done, but the sum of it's parts just ends up looking like somebody pieced it together from separate images of various scales.

I feel like people are looking at the exclusive cover for the rulebook the wrong way, the way I am reading it is that its just a cover for the boxed set, not limited so much as they have done say fifty thousand copies of that and they are all in this starter set. Count me as saying its gonna be £120 too, seems about right given the inflation of prices, £25 more than Dark Imperium seems fair.

Now everything makes sense, the Orks on Gorkamorka looted old Primaris Quads to produce their Buggies

The box has been optimised for you veteran hobbyists out there

So this is the first Editon without a new-player starter?

 Leth wrote:
ATV makes me happy, just like the bikes do.

I am always surprised at what breaks immersion for people. 7ft tall super soldiers wielding automatic grenade launchers? Fine.

Bike model doesn’t have enough ground clearance? Hey now, I am missing out on my realism.

Your totally right man!

Like, why waste sprue and design space on legs even! Lets just give them rifles for legs that shoot so fast they propel them!

I'm sure I'll get used to it, but the buggy offends me on numerous levels.

You can say its just a rejigged attack bike until blue in the face (also a model I never liked) - but its not though. Its an Ork - or GSC - Buggy with Primaris on it. (I realise this is perhaps a mirror of the complaint that modern primaris knick stuff from Eldar/Tau - but this seems really... off.)

I realise its a lost battle, because marines should have *everything* but this just doesn't feel like something Marines should want or need. If you want some heavy guns, bring a flying tank - don't expose two guys on a relatively big, fragile target* who in real life would just get murdered.

*Watch it have more defence than a Chimera

The thing is, whats most frustrating is it's 90% there.

All it needed was higher suspension and larger tires.

It's the minor details that make me laugh. Why do the rear tires have forward facing armor, but not the front?

Somebody really misses the Tumbler from the Nolan Batverse.

Invader ATV = Bat Tumbler
Beaten to it

Well I did wonder if there would be new attack bike but instead we get a dune buggy which I don't think is that bad looking.

But then again I wonder why that Servo-turret wasn't but on the buggy as an alternative build. It could fit it nicely.


And necrons just get the cool stuff.

 Leth wrote:
I am always surprised at what breaks immersion for people. 7ft tall super soldiers wielding automatic grenade launchers? Fine.

Bike model doesn’t have enough ground clearance? Hey now, I am missing out on my realism.

I don't know why it has to be repeated over and over again, but it's the little things that are often the things that break immersion. We don't know how servo-macro-super-duper plasma accelerator works, so we can suspend our disbelief that it works because they say it works. We do know how cars work however, so when you see something with no ground clearance we immediately see the faults.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Why do the rear tires have forward facing armor, but not the front?

And now I cannot unsee it

Kind of strange. The new Necron models look a lot better than new Space Marine models, at least to me. Shouldn't be too hard to get the Necron half either, since there's way more Space Marine players than Necron players.

Not a marine player here so don't care one way or the other on that buggy...but my first thought was it has better Tauros Venator conversion potential then the GSC Ridgerunner I think. I wonder if its a bigger model or not? Hopefully Tauros doesn't get "legend'd" in 9th.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Leth wrote:
I am always surprised at what breaks immersion for people. 7ft tall super soldiers wielding automatic grenade launchers? Fine.

Bike model doesn’t have enough ground clearance? Hey now, I am missing out on my realism.

I don't know why it has to be repeated over and over again, but it's the little things that are often the things that break immersion. We don't know how servo-macro-super-duper plasma accelerator works, so we can suspend our disbelief that it works because they say it works. We do know how cars work however, so when you see something with no ground clearance we immediately see the faults.

Well put. When you include tech that we've had in the real world for over 100 years and completely understand, including it ina sci-fi setting and doing it wrong doesn't get a free pass because sci-fi, you get called out on it.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Why do the rear tires have forward facing armor, but not the front?

And now I cannot unsee it

The best I can do is to say it's to protect the tire from the spent shell casing from the minigun.

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
Hopefully Tauros doesn't get "legend'd" in 9th.

Well it's not on the FW site anymore, so chances aren't great...