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I'm pretty excited for it, seems like a great tool for narrative play. I am doubly excited if Sam indeed designed it since I trust him to produce good results.

I want to be excited, but they still haven't figured out a way to make a Lord-Aquilor work for Skirmish.

I'm pretty excited. I love making custom characters for army lore and I'm disappointed when they can't be used.

I am extremely and pleasantly surprised they will have matched play points for the custom characters.

There's supposed pics of ghb points going around. No changes to obr and fec seems dubious though

Any leaks about Greenskinz still in AoS? That's what I want to know.

I do like the hero creation part. Definitely going to bring Grimgor Ironhide back for matched play points.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I am extremely and pleasantly surprised they will have matched play points for the custom characters.

I was actually surprised to see that. The article says it's 10x how many Destiny Points you've used, so between 200 and 400 at max spending. That seems pretty reasonable for custom characters!

Can't confirm the veracity of this, but supposedly this is the full extent of changes.

In essence, problem units were ignored or barely touched, and a handful of garbage units were slightly improved.

Shocked even obvious changes like increasing the cost of Phoenix Guard, were skipped.

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I think there may be more.

https://mobile.twitter.com/chumphammer/status/1279130640462405632?s=21

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

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For Seraphon... Sallies are still going to wreck, just means we cant take as many skinks. Trog is not down enough in my opinion, though he may have a place at 220.

Carnoblood and Skink chief on Steg seem like good changes for them though.

Some leaks I saw for Tzeentch and OBR


Immortis Guard, Stalkers, and both Morghast types are down 20 pts. No other changes.

Flamers, the Changling and Pink Horrors up 20 pts each.

None of those Tzeentch changes do jack squat at preventing it from being a hellscape of a negative player experience, for 95% of opponents.

Must have an advocate on the team. Anyone seen Gobbo changes?

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
None of those Tzeentch changes do jack squat at preventing it from being a hellscape of a negative player experience, for 95% of opponents.

I mean the standard reply here is "they aren't dominating tournaments so those people just need to make better lists".

But I agree with you. However the game (both 40k and aos) are a minefield of negative play experiences if you are playing with the wrong people. There's the challenge.

OBR buffs, huh?

Buff to the models not used. Immortis Guard, Stalkers and Morghasts pale in comparison to the rest of OBR. Guard could do with a points bump... or just a nerf to Petrifex.

The Vanguard Auxillary Chamber looks mighty fine right now.

Also, kind of over points up/down every year. Get to the root of alot of the issues and buff/nerf Warscrolls, battalions, sub-factions instead. Something like the Plague Monk adjustment should be the norm.

Honestly most of the Ossiarch problems are just Petrifax getting that blanket +1 to all saves which is an insane bonus in an army that already has generally good saves to start with.

GW seems to like leaving elephants in the room with regard to balance like Petrifax and Depravity in Slaanesh. It's a shame because otherwise both tomes are not too bad overall.

The worst thing is that you can't really fix either with point changes.

 Overread wrote:
Honestly most of the Ossiarch problems are just Petrifax getting that blanket +1 to all saves which is an insane bonus in an army that already has generally good saves to start with.

GW seems to like leaving elephants in the room with regard to balance like Petrifax and Depravity in Slaanesh. It's a shame because otherwise both tomes are not too bad overall.

The worst thing is that you can't really fix either with point changes.

More or less this.

The Petrifax they can potentially FAQ somehow as it is a sub-faction bonus, but with Depravity they need to rework the entire tome. I tried out HoS during lockdown using TTS and it's a very very boring tome that relies all too much on having many keepers farming DP. Only exception being Sylleske, but then you are playing HoS with S2D.

Honestly I think most of the Slaanesh units are ok balance wise. I don't think you have to rebuild the tome to make it work ,the main issue is that you've no reason to take anything but keepers or at least anything bit majority leaders and to summon keepers/leaders.

Any other option or focus is basically throwing away potential power and most gamers rank the high depravity focused armies (Esp keeper) as overpowered.



Personally I'd make it so depravity is generated based on all damage assigned including kills. Right now if you play a skaven army with majority clan rats you'll generate far less depravity than a stormcast army; because the skaven is throwing 1 wound models that won't generate depravity at you whilst the Stormcast almost every unit is generating depravity.

The second change is I'd make it generated by all Battletome Slaanesh units. Then you've at least made it so that any unit can generate it and there's no bias for multi-wound models. That removes the two big glaring issues with it and whilst the depravity table would need adjusting; at least it would be a bit more evenly balanced.

Of course I'd still say it might need a total overhaul- but its that one element breaking the rest of the tome.

Well the Battlemage going up and Greatswords going down means my list is still the same number of points so I guess I lose nothing then.

Excellent.

Today I've spent way too much time looking for a leaked DIY hero creator. This is probably the most exciting announcement, however as a cynic...

Ladies and gentlemen place your bets how the system is going to get broken, will it be summoning, CP battery, magical shenanigans and so on.

It won't be 'broken' unless GW adds an official Destiny Point to Matched Play points chart, making it allowed to be used in any Matched Play game, without the other player agreeing to it. For now, they have it requiring permission by other players to be used.

Do you happen to have the leaks? I'd love to take a look too. Got an itch to try and recreate heroes that already exist, and see how much they cost with GW's point conversion suggestion.

So no more stacking resisting damage. I learned that works in aos on previous game. Figures it goes away before i get to try it properly

Remember that matched play is a crapshow, has always been a crapshow, and will remain a crapshow in the foreseeable future. Any expectation otherwise is unreasonable. I personally suggest being happy that there are at least SOME positive improvements.

Any list of complete leaks yet ? Or at least for Nighthaunt ?

I’m pleased that thundertusks are finally being recognized as weak compared to the stonehorns. If the 40 point drop for the huskard and 30 point drop for the riders hold true, that’s a positive for Ogors. I feel like the rest of the book is quite balanced.

I’m curious as to how my other army, Sylvaneth, will fair...

Personally I'm interested in Kharadrons and Sylvaneth, with 40k going down the toilet AoS begins to appeal and I do have a drawer full of Dryads....

I looked at leaks, then at my Skaven list... and had to wonder why they felt like those units needed to be buffed. Good god.

 Thadin wrote:
I looked at leaks, then at my Skaven list... and had to wonder why they felt like those units needed to be buffed. Good god.

Because there are a lot of them in warehouses that need to be sold? And we need the new trifecta of pain, this is a regular occurrence with every GHB release every year. Out with the old power lists, in with the new. Gotta keep up and collect every one! Is slaves to darkness improved? Or are they still largely gimp in a powerlisting environment.