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 Togusa wrote:
Speaking of kits, now that we're a couple of weeks post launch of Indomitus, do we have any inclination of when kits will begin to roll out?

When the Codex comes out is the safest bet. November will be expensive.

 Togusa wrote:
Given that we know there are still missing reveals for Space Marines (Land Speeder, Heavy Intecessors, Heavy Captain, Rumored replacement for the Vindicator) is it safe to assume that there are also unrevealed Necron kits beyond the (shooty Reapers)?

I very much hope so. They need to show replacements for Destroyers.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Speaking of kits, now that we're a couple of weeks post launch of Indomitus, do we have any inclination of when kits will begin to roll out?

When the Codex comes out is the safest bet. November will be expensive.

 Togusa wrote:
Given that we know there are still missing reveals for Space Marines (Land Speeder, Heavy Intecessors, Heavy Captain, Rumored replacement for the Vindicator) is it safe to assume that there are also unrevealed Necron kits beyond the (shooty Reapers)?

I very much hope so. They need to show replacements for Destroyers.

I was hoping they'd roll stuff out a lot sooner than November. For example they make it seem like the full bladeguard kit could go up for preorder within two weeks.

Also, I would really like to see either Grimaldis or Helbrect get primerized soon. BT, CF were the only chapters that didn't get a prime character during last years codex event.

 Togusa wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Speaking of kits, now that we're a couple of weeks post launch of Indomitus, do we have any inclination of when kits will begin to roll out?

When the Codex comes out is the safest bet. November will be expensive.

 Togusa wrote:
Given that we know there are still missing reveals for Space Marines (Land Speeder, Heavy Intecessors, Heavy Captain, Rumored replacement for the Vindicator) is it safe to assume that there are also unrevealed Necron kits beyond the (shooty Reapers)?

I very much hope so. They need to show replacements for Destroyers.

I was hoping they'd roll stuff out a lot sooner than November. For example they make it seem like the full bladeguard kit could go up for preorder within two weeks.

Also, I would really like to see either Grimaldis or Helbrect get primerized soon. BT, CF were the only chapters that didn't get a prime character during last years codex event.

I'd be surprised if any Post Indomitus stuff come out any earlier than October or November. We have so much slated for release that was teased before 9th was revealed.
*The whole Lumineth army
*Mega gargants for AOS
*Two Warcry warbands
*The last two Underworlds teams

Some of the above have confirmed release dates, but I imagine most of them will come out before the new space marines and necron

I now wouldn't be surprised if they squeezed in the stuff they've 'officially' shown off. (And that includes the primaris biker chaplain, who's tagged as 'Indomitus adjacent' with points in CA2020).

A follow-up 'Indomitus expansion' release in between the fantasy stuff, around August/September divide. It would ease some of the pressure of doing two codex releases (with quite a few big miniature releases each) in the same month.

Also the Bladeguard multipart, which got mentioned as:

These glorious warriors will soon be available in a separate, multipart kit all their own. If you’re chomping at the bit to add a unit or two into your army, you won’t have long to wait!

The codexes were not announced as 'soon,' simply October, with the tanks and monolith implied to go along with those (and of course, the fuzzy land speeder, the King, the Dragon and the fuzzy thing behind the monolith)
Add in GW's tendency not to show things off too long before release..

 Togusa wrote:
Speaking of kits, now that we're a couple of weeks post launch of Indomitus, do we have any inclination of when kits will begin to roll out?

Given that we know there are still missing reveals for Space Marines (Land Speeder, Heavy Intecessors, Heavy Captain, Rumored replacement for the Vindicator) is it safe to assume that there are also unrevealed Necron kits beyond the (shooty Reapers)?

Probably October. More often then not, the codex comes out the first week of releases. October 3 at the earliest, but likely October 10.

 Togusa wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Speaking of kits, now that we're a couple of weeks post launch of Indomitus, do we have any inclination of when kits will begin to roll out?

When the Codex comes out is the safest bet. November will be expensive.

 Togusa wrote:
Given that we know there are still missing reveals for Space Marines (Land Speeder, Heavy Intecessors, Heavy Captain, Rumored replacement for the Vindicator) is it safe to assume that there are also unrevealed Necron kits beyond the (shooty Reapers)?

I very much hope so. They need to show replacements for Destroyers.

I was hoping they'd roll stuff out a lot sooner than November. For example they make it seem like the full bladeguard kit could go up for preorder within two weeks.

Also, I would really like to see either Grimaldis or Helbrect get primerized soon. BT, CF were the only chapters that didn't get a prime character during last years codex event.

They only showed off the blade guard this early because the picture leaked. Given that there are alternate weapon options in the kit, they would need to release point costs and rules as well, which would logically be in the codex.

The 4 etb kits I do hope are coming soon, since they do have point costs given in CA.

If there was a vindicator replacement, I would have expected it to be listed in the sm codex table of contents.

 Togusa wrote:
I was hoping they'd roll stuff out a lot sooner than November.

It might be October. Whenever the Codex is out. I thought that was November, but it could be October.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

If there was a vindicator replacement, I would have expected it to be listed in the sm codex table of contents.

That could just be the Gladiator Lancer

Alternatively, you could build a Gladiator Lancer – an anti-tank sniper that’s ideal for chewing through your opponents’ most durable war machines and monsters.

Though I'm not clear what 'AT sniper' means in this context- the gun barrel isn't familiar to me- but it could be a 'normal' version of the 'heavy laser destructor' on the Repulsor Executioner

though the Valiant seems a more direct role in replacing the Vindicator

You just saw the Gladiator Valiant – a short-ranged armour hunter that uses twin las-talons and multi-meltas to scrap armour and heavy infantry alike.

Not one big gun, but uber-dedicated to short ranged AT.

And of course the Reaper is just anti-infantry out the wazoo (tempest bolters, which look like 4 heavy bolters each, though I guess they could be bolt rifle version of hurricane bolters, and 2 twin heavy onslaughts). Hopefully they won't make the mistake they made with the LR Punisher, and make the anti-infantry tank competitive for AT just by volume of fire.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Speaking of kits, now that we're a couple of weeks post launch of Indomitus, do we have any inclination of when kits will begin to roll out?

When the Codex comes out is the safest bet. November will be expensive.

 Togusa wrote:
Given that we know there are still missing reveals for Space Marines (Land Speeder, Heavy Intecessors, Heavy Captain, Rumored replacement for the Vindicator) is it safe to assume that there are also unrevealed Necron kits beyond the (shooty Reapers)?

I very much hope so. They need to show replacements for Destroyers.

I was hoping they'd roll stuff out a lot sooner than November. For example they make it seem like the full bladeguard kit could go up for preorder within two weeks.

Also, I would really like to see either Grimaldis or Helbrect get primerized soon. BT, CF were the only chapters that didn't get a prime character during last years codex event.

They only showed off the blade guard this early because the picture leaked. Given that there are alternate weapon options in the kit, they would need to release point costs and rules as well, which would logically be in the codex.

The 4 etb kits I do hope are coming soon, since they do have point costs given in CA.

If there was a vindicator replacement, I would have expected it to be listed in the sm codex table of contents.

You mean the one we have only seen like, blurry pics of?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

You mean the one we have only seen like, blurry pics of?

That was a Gladiator. The only 'blurry pic' model left is the 'Primaris Land Speeder.'

 EnTyme wrote:

 Crusaderobr wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
That's not an opinion, it's an assumption.

It is both an opinion and an assumption. What is your point?

"The new stats are better than the old ones" is an opinion. "The new stats are for a completely different unit" is an assumption.

Well gw is backing those who says it's new unit. They referred it as new unit. So if you think it's replacement model for same unit(despite different stats etc. That's like saying repulsor is replacement of land raider) you are disagreeing with gw. You know. The company that made it.

Neither of you know anything, so perhaps maybe cut the back-and-forth semantics debate.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Speaking of kits, now that we're a couple of weeks post launch of Indomitus, do we have any inclination of when kits will begin to roll out?

Given that we know there are still missing reveals for Space Marines (Land Speeder, Heavy Intecessors, Heavy Captain, Rumored replacement for the Vindicator) is it safe to assume that there are also unrevealed Necron kits beyond the (shooty Reapers)?

Probably October. More often then not, the codex comes out the first week of releases. October 3 at the earliest, but likely October 10.

October 3 would be preorder date. So 10th is earlest you get codex at hand. For gw preorder date is what counts so latest october releases would be at hand would be 7.11

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
I was hoping they'd roll stuff out a lot sooner than November.

It might be October. Whenever the Codex is out. I thought that was November, but it could be October.

Won't that be Orktober?

 Togusa wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
I was hoping they'd roll stuff out a lot sooner than November.

It might be October. Whenever the Codex is out. I thought that was November, but it could be October.

Won't that be Orktober?

Necroctober? If not then Necvember I guess

tneva82 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Speaking of kits, now that we're a couple of weeks post launch of Indomitus, do we have any inclination of when kits will begin to roll out?

Given that we know there are still missing reveals for Space Marines (Land Speeder, Heavy Intecessors, Heavy Captain, Rumored replacement for the Vindicator) is it safe to assume that there are also unrevealed Necron kits beyond the (shooty Reapers)?

Probably October. More often then not, the codex comes out the first week of releases. October 3 at the earliest, but likely October 10.

October 3 would be preorder date. So 10th is earlest you get codex at hand. For gw preorder date is what counts so latest october releases would be at hand would be 7.11

There is *potential* for the preorders to start in September (hence why I said the 3rd at the earliest), but I agree, the 10th is the most likely date.

 Togusa wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
I was hoping they'd roll stuff out a lot sooner than November.

It might be October. Whenever the Codex is out. I thought that was November, but it could be October.

Won't that be Orktober?

Orktober was one time thing. GW NEVER said it would be yearly so why people always expect orks in october...


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Speaking of kits, now that we're a couple of weeks post launch of Indomitus, do we have any inclination of when kits will begin to roll out?

Given that we know there are still missing reveals for Space Marines (Land Speeder, Heavy Intecessors, Heavy Captain, Rumored replacement for the Vindicator) is it safe to assume that there are also unrevealed Necron kits beyond the (shooty Reapers)?

Probably October. More often then not, the codex comes out the first week of releases. October 3 at the earliest, but likely October 10.

October 3 would be preorder date. So 10th is earlest you get codex at hand. For gw preorder date is what counts so latest october releases would be at hand would be 7.11

There is *potential* for the preorders to start in September (hence why I said the 3rd at the earliest), but I agree, the 10th is the most likely date.

Eeeh...No. That\s what I was saying. For GW it's the PREORDER date that defines what month it is. If it would be be preorder on september they would have said codex comes in september.

For GW october release dates are preorders in 3rd, 10th, 17th, 24th, 31th. Preorders on those are october releases. If they say something comes in october it comes to preorder on THOSE days. Not week before. Not week later.

You can see how GW said with orks codex comes in october and it was on very last weekend of october for preorders and in store in november. People got angry calling GW liars etc despite them holding to their word in system that's been on for years.

That's why I knew sisters for example would not come to stores 7.3 when they said rest of sisters are coming march. If you check dates you see the reason.

Now does this make sense for us gamers? Not really. For us it's the day we can get the product on our hands that's most interesting. But it is what it is and keeping in mind how GW works you can avoid getting dissapointed like many ork players got and can have better idea of exact timeframe you can get it when GW says month it releases something. Just check what saturday's fall to said month and you know exactly which days preorders start at earliest and by latest. There's no "maybe preorders come on week before" wondering. You can discard automatically false days.

Oh, I am following you now. That makes much more sense.

I'd also expect marines out first - with at least a few weeks of releases before the Necrons come out.

 Tastyfish wrote:
I'd also expect marines out first - with at least a few weeks of releases before the Necrons come out.

Yep, that sounds likely, so Necron's first release could well be pre-order 31st October (which would be annoying as I should be off work the first week of November so was hoping they would be out by then) but fingers crossed it's a bit earlier, would be surprised if they drop before Space Marines though.

They can do them at the same time too. They've done that before with Flesheaters and Skaven.

Though less likely for main cash cow(40k) than AOS where they are more likely to do more player pleasing things(better cheaper app, free warscrolls on net, not endless amount of models to one faction etc)

Also they didn't have many models (if anything other than endless spells?).

I think the size of this release is going to make that logistically complicated.

Necrons have at least 8 new kits that have been previewed (excluding things like Skorpehk Lords, Reanimators and the Plasmancer which might be Indomitus exclusive for a little while and the things that made it into the starters) and we know for marines there's at least one other unit that's been leaked but not formally revealed.

Though I guess a paired release might be interesting - though a lot of people are going to be fuming if they do. It likely means that Indomitus and the starter sets are going be the only place for a lot of the new units.

16+ new Necron and Marine releases, plus the new characters for other armies at around 4 new kits a week would cover at least a month or so. Plus there's Warcry and AoS to fit in.

I reckon most of the things will be out by Christmas (apart from Indomitus limited exlcusive characters), but we're going to be talking a Impulsor timeframe.

Next steps article

Thankfully, the manuals included in all three Starter Sets feature some suggested additions for the collections in the boxes. Not only that, but as an added bonus, they also include the full datasheets for these new units as well as an extra mission designed with their inclusion in mind! They may not be available just yet, but keep an eye out for the Primaris Invader ATV, the Primaris Firestrike Servo-turret, the Lokhust Heavy Destroyer and Canoptek Doomstalker, as they’re all coming soon!

So thats why the 4 datasheets exist, and why they're lacking rules. They're from the starter set profiles.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/08/07/warhammer-40000-starter-sets-your-next-steps/

And coming 'soon' [which I kinda think means this Sunday's or next Sunday's preorder preview article]

The 4 Etbs are likely one wave, likely the week after the starters drop. Possibly they will throw some specialist games stuff up at the same time.

The codex releases can go one of 2 ways. There are 5 Saturdays in october so they could do one codex the first weekend and model releases the following weeks mixed with smaller stuff, then the second the last weekend of October and repeat the process. Or they could do an interleaved release with. OTH codexes coming out at the same time with a handful of kits, and following weeks a mix of marine and necron models together.

By the language in the next steps article, sounds like it's a two week preorder again for the starter sets.

New Triarch Stalker Sheet:


The Particle weapon is a flat buff, and the new Gauss weapon is now better vs everything but T8. More wounds and the flat 3 damage in CC is really nice.

 Sasori wrote:
New Triarch Stalker Sheet:

...the new Gauss weapon is now better vs everything but T8. ...

Aww man - S7?
Triarch and Heavy destroyers were my Tank Hunters.
Guess it's time to finally paint up those two Doomsday Arks.

"... they also include the full datasheets for these new units..."

Heh. 'Full'.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"... they also include the full datasheets for these new units..."

Heh. 'Full'.

Yeah, I don't know what's up with that. They've obviously got abilities cut. WarCom just being clueless, I guess.


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The stalker changes are weird. Lower strength, but more attacks, mostly. More reliable CC (but still only 3 attacks, so whatever). Increased ranged on the dispersed heat ray.

Change to the twin heavy gauss cannon means even if they old heavy destroyers stick around, they're quite different. 3 shots at S7.
A lot of assumptions for what works and what doesn't for necrons are going to have be set on fire.