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 Jack Flask wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
-Chainswords
-Power Swords
-Power Fists

Why would these not be superior in the hands of someone monumentally stronger than your average human?

Why are they superior in the hand of someone monumentally stronger than your average human but only if this someone is a follower of the Imperium rather than a follower of Chaos???

Do we even know if Chaos Terminators aren't getting the same changes or are you just trying to meet your whine quota?

I mean this is a good point. We haven't seen ANYTHING besides Necrons and Loyalist scum. While we could expect GW to screw up, shouldn't we at least wait for the leaks to show us they did so?

 Jack Flask wrote:
Do we even know if Chaos Terminators aren't getting the same changes or are you just trying to meet your whine quota?

I'm just answering H.B.M.C.'s argument.
He was answering to the_scotsman statement about "the official list of "weapons that are just 100% better if the trigger is pulled/swung by a loyalist space marine"" (emphasis mine) with "Why would these not be superior in the hands of someone monumentally stronger than your average human?". But the argument only holds if Chaos Space Marines also have the better version of those weapons.

Honestly, I don't think Chaos will have the changes before they get a new codex, and I have no idea if my faction will get a new codex for this edition, or the next one ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

Termi stat changes are nice. Its a shame the shift to Primaris means we will probably never see updated models outside of the heroes line.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
-Chainswords
-Power Swords
-Power Fists

Why would these not be superior in the hands of someone monumentally stronger than your average human?

Why are they superior in the hand of someone monumentally stronger than your average human but only if this someone is a follower of the Imperium rather than a follower of Chaos???

Because Geedubs loves them Space Marines.

The implication being that these rules somehow wouldn't be replicated in a subsequent Chaos Codex?

Yes.

GW are making balancing changes to 9th edition, stats increasing is nice. Also, expect all chaos terminators to receive the same changes for 9th. They needed the buff so im happy for Marine/chaos players, also this proves regular space marines aren't going anywhere. They are still fighting beside Primaris till the end of time.

Do we know this is even true, or if it is true would it be the case for anyone else beside SM terminators (why would it be ?)? A random data sheet from a box could well be a typo
Sounds like another 2W cult CSM rumour to me..

 Argive wrote:
Do we know this is even true, or if it is true would it be the case for anyone else beside SM terminators (why would it be ?)? A random data sheet from a box could well be a typo
Sounds like another 2W cult CSM rumour to me..

If it is a typo, it would have been made twice, because the Sergeant and the regular Terminators have 3W. Not outside the possibility, but less likely.

I don't like the changes to the Power Weapons. If the Sword is +1 Str AP-3, what purpose does an Axe serve? And the Power Fist going to flat 2 damage is kinda sucky too. Otherwise, I am loving the idea of 3W Terminators. My brother is going to run Deathwing again if this ends up being true. I love Deathwing, even if they are a stupid hard unit to kill.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I don't like the changes to the Power Weapons. If the Sword is +1 Str AP-3, what purpose does an Axe serve?

Maybe the axe has a new profile as well?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Do we know this is even true, or if it is true would it be the case for anyone else beside SM terminators (why would it be ?)? A random data sheet from a box could well be a typo
Sounds like another 2W cult CSM rumour to me..

If it is a typo, it would have been made twice, because the Sergeant and the regular Terminators have 3W. Not outside the possibility, but less likely.

I don't like the changes to the Power Weapons. If the Sword is +1 Str AP-3, what purpose does an Axe serve? And the Power Fist going to flat 2 damage is kinda sucky too. Otherwise, I am loving the idea of 3W Terminators. My brother is going to run Deathwing again if this ends up being true. I love Deathwing, even if they are a stupid hard unit to kill.

I'm not a fan of power armour/imperium in general, but terminators have always been one of my all time favourite units so I would like to see more of them on the table for sure.

Not really against this idea per se. Terminators, Agressors ? whats the difference which unit obliterates my NPC stuff.. Might as well be termies.

But I don't want his to be a thing across the board..coz it will be hap-hazardly with some stuff going up in wounds and others not coz reasons which will 100% happen coz GW.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I don't like the changes to the Power Weapons. If the Sword is +1 Str AP-3, what purpose does an Axe serve?

Maybe the axe has a new profile as well?

I am assuming so. But then there is a ripple effect. Are Axes going to be Str+2, AP-2? If so, then what are Power Mauls going to be? It is just odd. Don't get me wrong, I LIKE that Power Swords are even better. I am thinking that my Blood Angels Intercessors will be rocking them on the Sergeants instead of Chainswords. But I just worry about the design space. I guess we will have to wait and see.


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 Argive wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Do we know this is even true, or if it is true would it be the case for anyone else beside SM terminators (why would it be ?)? A random data sheet from a box could well be a typo
Sounds like another 2W cult CSM rumour to me..

If it is a typo, it would have been made twice, because the Sergeant and the regular Terminators have 3W. Not outside the possibility, but less likely.

I don't like the changes to the Power Weapons. If the Sword is +1 Str AP-3, what purpose does an Axe serve? And the Power Fist going to flat 2 damage is kinda sucky too. Otherwise, I am loving the idea of 3W Terminators. My brother is going to run Deathwing again if this ends up being true. I love Deathwing, even if they are a stupid hard unit to kill.

I'm not a fan of power armour/imperium in general, but terminators have always been one of my all time favourite units so I would like to see more of them on the table for sure.

I have a set of the Space Hulk Terminators that might see some play with my Blood Angels now. They look like they are going 5o be well worth their points now. And I always lament not running enough dudes in red with my BA. This will help that.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I don't like the changes to the Power Weapons. If the Sword is +1 Str AP-3, what purpose does an Axe serve?

Maybe the axe has a new profile as well?

I am assuming so. But then there is a ripple effect. Are Axes going to be Str+2, AP-2? If so, then what are Power Mauls going to be? It is just odd. Don't get me wrong, I LIKE that Power Swords are even better. I am thinking that my Blood Angels Intercessors will be rocking them on the Sergeants instead of Chainswords. But I just worry about the design space. I guess we will have to wait and see.


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 Argive wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Do we know this is even true, or if it is true would it be the case for anyone else beside SM terminators (why would it be ?)? A random data sheet from a box could well be a typo
Sounds like another 2W cult CSM rumour to me..

If it is a typo, it would have been made twice, because the Sergeant and the regular Terminators have 3W. Not outside the possibility, but less likely.

I don't like the changes to the Power Weapons. If the Sword is +1 Str AP-3, what purpose does an Axe serve? And the Power Fist going to flat 2 damage is kinda sucky too. Otherwise, I am loving the idea of 3W Terminators. My brother is going to run Deathwing again if this ends up being true. I love Deathwing, even if they are a stupid hard unit to kill.

I'm not a fan of power armour/imperium in general, but terminators have always been one of my all time favourite units so I would like to see more of them on the table for sure.

I have a set of the Space Hulk Terminators that might see some play with my Blood Angels now. They look like they are going 5o be well worth their points now. And I always lament not running enough dudes in red with my BA. This will help that.

I have space hulk BA termies too!
Kinda miffed they are BA as would have liked any space marines in BT/DA coolours. Quite looking forward to painting them one day.

Too bad GW didn't do indexes for 9th. It would be nice if they're going to do an edition change if they give each faction a fleshed-out baseline preview of what will change.

It would elevate all the factions to the same starting block, get rid of dead abilities and codexes could become "advanced" supplements that add more exciting and tactical options (that are pointed in some way, instead of just "free")

Basically, build out the bones and flesh the system out during its lifetime. But that's just not GW's way.

People need to chill a bit over the termi-sergeant having a +1S powersword. For all we know its a special piece of equipment unique to terminator sergeants, a kin to those of bladeguard veterans (to prevent the sgt. from "dying first" all the time) and not something that implies a massive future overhaul of powerweapons.

Wait and see guys, no reason to get worked up over something that might not even happen.

I think axes (and the others) will just quietly go away and the future will only be swords and fists (and by extension hammers and chain fists).

 RandyMcStab wrote:
I think axes (and the others) will just quietly go away and the future will only be swords and fists (and by extension hammers and chain fists).

Hammers and chainfists historically have always had separate profiles, power weapons however were just that, power weapons as a catch all.

Dudeface wrote:

 RandyMcStab wrote:
I think axes (and the others) will just quietly go away and the future will only be swords and fists (and by extension hammers and chain fists).

Hammers and chainfists historically have always had separate profiles, power weapons however were just that, power weapons as a catch all.

Eh historically power weapons, axes, knives etc were distinct profiles.

tneva82 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 RandyMcStab wrote:
I think axes (and the others) will just quietly go away and the future will only be swords and fists (and by extension hammers and chain fists).

Hammers and chainfists historically have always had separate profiles, power weapons however were just that, power weapons as a catch all.

Eh historically power weapons, axes, knives etc were distinct profiles.

That's true, depends how far back you go!

 RandyMcStab wrote:
I think axes (and the others) will just quietly go away and the future will only be swords and fists (and by extension hammers and chain fists).

It will be model led - if most cc models have swords (as they do) then the main profile will be for swords and fists, if models remain / appear with hammers and axes the rules will follow, Same with spears, scythes, daggers, wet fish on a stick etc

2 wound veterans

About time for 2W Marines.

Hopefully it applies to Chaos stuff as well.

Holy smokes 4 damage thunderhammers??

Also looks like all (Astartes?) chainswords are getting better.

This pic shows no extra rules for plasma pistols or lightning claws, though, nor hit modifiers for hammers/fists...

Wait, two wound old marines! This is a real game changer! Now I can make Primaris-based counts as models for these guys without it being weird! I wonder if it is only the veterans or does this apply to the normal blokes too?

And assuming that this applies to Chaos, I will do as I promised and finally build that Chaos army I have planned for years!

Snugiraffe wrote:
Also looks like all (Astartes?) chainswords are getting better.

This pic shows no extra rules for plasma pistols or lightning claws, though, nor hit modifiers for hammers/fists...

None of these compactified rule pages show any special rules; pretty blatantly by design, not least because they’ve been made as language agnostic as possible and having actually written rules either requires a mess of translations or multiple pages at which point you don’t need the symbols anymore. Notice they don’t even name the weapons?

So if the codex supplements are still valid after SM drops, we can see 5D MC Thunderhammers? Well, I guess they are 40pts for a character, but only 16pts in squads.

Veterans get an extra wound now. All SM Chainswords confirmed to be AP-1, Thunder Hammers are now 4D, Power Fists confirmed to be 2D, Power Axes Are +2/AP-2 (I was right!).

At the end of all this, SOMETHING is going to feel bizarrely paper-thin flimsy if every single marine is going up +1W and every single weapon that's good at killing marines is going up +1D or -1AP or +1S.

I strongly suspect it will be "Everyone else who isn't a marine." We know Necron datasheets aren't going up in wounds left and right, we've seen several of those.

But if it isn't that, then it'll be vehicles, most likely, getting shredded by fething 5D master crafted thunder hammers.

More marine buffs. They always were　so weak so obviously needed.

Light　infantry getting more and more irrelevant

I would love to see Necron Immortals go to 2W, that would make a lot of sense and make for a more meaningful differentiation between them and Warriors.

(Lychguard and Pretorians could then be 3W to constitute the next tier)

Alas, that is not going to happen...