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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Watch as they give Chosen W2 but forget to give Havocs, monstrous T5 marines, W2.

What? GW being inconsistent? Do you think it could be true?

I'm sure Chosen will get W2. On the datasheets included in their box.

Hahahahaha damn that hurt

Oh boy, is Dark Vengeance getting another release?

 xttz wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Too bad GW didn't do indexes for 9th. It would be nice if they're going to do an edition change if they give each faction a fleshed-out baseline preview of what will change.

It would elevate all the factions to the same starting block, get rid of dead abilities and codexes could become "advanced" supplements that add more exciting and tactical options (that are pointed in some way, instead of just "free")

Basically, build out the bones and flesh the system out during its lifetime. But that's just not GW's way.

Honestly I still wouldn't rule this out for several reasons:

It would be really weird to change generic weapons like power fists or multi-meltas for just one faction, without changing it for all the others.

The strange points level decisions would make more sense if they were planning to revise a bunch of units & wargear.

One of the early reviews by 9E playtesters (I think TTT) heavily implied that something else was coming they couldn't talk about yet.

We know new units are coming for several factions, but there's no sign yet of an accompanying codex or expansion book

GW could plausibly print something like "Index: Imperium 2020" and "Index: Xenos 2020", where some units & wargear recieve revised rules to supersede the codex. One cheap book like the original indexes can cover several factions at once, and means they recieve major updates without needing a whole new codex. GW can sell that to a wide range of players, or simply put the updated rules in their app to encourage people to subscribe.

There's already multiple melta weapons same name different rules.

And you don't precost new stats you get when you will repoint things anyway...codex has　points in it you know? You never use new rules ca costs

I'm really glad space marines are getting some buffs. They were really struggling beforehand!

If they raise regular marines to two wounds doesn’t that make Primaris less relevant/ special? An the size difference would be unnecessary at that point.

John D Law wrote:
If they raise regular marines to two wounds doesn’t that make Primaris less relevant/ special? An the size difference would be unnecessary at that point.

And thus the marine model range update is complete. Post indomitus all the new recruits are primaris, and any smaller models are clearly veteran firstborn.
Might even see the more rigid Crusade era combat dogmas even give way to a more flexible approach that adds weapon specialists to Intercessor squads, as the marines find themselves fighting less and less in large formations as the crusade fleets split up and garrison worlds assigned...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Watch as they give Chosen W2 but forget to give Havocs, monstrous T5 marines, W2.

So I would be delighted to have my Havoks have 2W. Havoks are probably my favorite unit within the Codex, and one of the best Chaos kits that they produce!


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 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Oh boy, is Dark Vengeance getting another release?

I still think that they flubbed the perfect opportunity to include a new kit for Chosen along with the release of Abaddon. A five man box of Chosen with combi-weapons, power weapons and spikey gubbins would have been great.


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 xttz wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Too bad GW didn't do indexes for 9th. It would be nice if they're going to do an edition change if they give each faction a fleshed-out baseline preview of what will change.

It would elevate all the factions to the same starting block, get rid of dead abilities and codexes could become "advanced" supplements that add more exciting and tactical options (that are pointed in some way, instead of just "free")

Basically, build out the bones and flesh the system out during its lifetime. But that's just not GW's way.

Honestly I still wouldn't rule this out for several reasons:

It would be really weird to change generic weapons like power fists or multi-meltas for just one faction, without changing it for all the others.

The strange points level decisions would make more sense if they were planning to revise a bunch of units & wargear.

One of the early reviews by 9E playtesters (I think TTT) heavily implied that something else was coming they couldn't talk about yet.

We know new units are coming for several factions, but there's no sign yet of an accompanying codex or expansion book

GW could plausibly print something like "Index: Imperium 2020" and "Index: Xenos 2020", where some units & wargear recieve revised rules to supersede the codex. One cheap book like the original indexes can cover several factions at once, and means they recieve major updates without needing a whole new codex. GW can sell that to a wide range of players, or simply put the updated rules in their app to encourage people to subscribe.

I think indexes aren't likely at all, we know Codexes are coming in October, why would they put out indexes after codexes? I do remember reading that GW has tested all of the the codexes at the same time, therefore it stands to reason all the codexes are written. It also stands to reason that we won't get new ones for specific chapters. It's been said many times that Codexes from PA onward were written to be 9th compatible. We're most likely to see new books for Eldar, DE, Orks, Tau, GSC, Chaos Deamons and Guard before we're likely to see SoB, Chaos Marines and the like.

Like how you are all assuming intercessors wont just go up to 3w lol

It's been said many times that Codexes from PA onward were written to be 9th compatible. We're most likely to see new books for Eldar, DE, Orks, Tau, GSC, Chaos Deamons and Guard before we're likely to see SoB, Chaos Marines and the like.

Reading the new rules and the Codexes that are "compatable", its clear that was and is total BS.

Marine codex was said to be compatable and is the first. It will depend on their model release schedule who goes after Necrons - nothing else will matter.

We know that some armies are getting Junior commanders - good chance it those gettign codexes.

I think it will be

Marines and Necrons
Space Marine Supplements - Wolves and Angels
Sisters of Battle (based on wish to have female army prominant (irnoic really)

Then its harder to predict.
Dark Eldar seems a good possibilty

Chaos Marines and Marines were both pre-Psychic Awakening.
Sisters of Battle was the only one to come out after PA started.

Worth noting that the verbage used wasn't "compatible" but "in mind".

Will we be able to use PA with our new 9th edition codex? I certainly hope so with all the money we forked out to GW.

Use what parts of it?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Use what parts of it?

Tau PA with the new Tau codex, Blood of Baal with Blood Angels and Tyranids etc... all the strategems and relics? Some of these books just came out for crying out loud!

 Mr Morden wrote:

It's been said many times that Codexes from PA onward were written to be 9th compatible. We're most likely to see new books for Eldar, DE, Orks, Tau, GSC, Chaos Deamons and Guard before we're likely to see SoB, Chaos Marines and the like.

Reading the new rules and the Codexes that are "compatable", its clear that was and is total BS.

Marine codex was said to be compatable and is the first. It will depend on their model release schedule who goes after Necrons - nothing else will matter.

We know that some armies are getting Junior commanders - good chance it those gettign codexes.

I think it will be

Marines and Necrons
Space Marine Supplements - Wolves and Angels
Sisters of Battle (based on wish to have female army prominant (irnoic really)

Then its harder to predict.
Dark Eldar seems a good possibilty

There is no reality where the sisters of battle update doesn't come out within 4-5 months of the end of the edition. And don't give me that 'the book came out in december!!!' nonsense, the army was unplayable until march.

 Latro_ wrote:
Like how you are all assuming intercessors wont just go up to 3w lol

yep....

 Kanluwen wrote:
Use what parts of it?

Whatever gw doesn't transfer to new codex since they have already said all won't be transfered. Would be typical to not transfer best stuff. Like have specialist mobs in codex but leave kustom jobs off

ERJAK wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

It's been said many times that Codexes from PA onward were written to be 9th compatible. We're most likely to see new books for Eldar, DE, Orks, Tau, GSC, Chaos Deamons and Guard before we're likely to see SoB, Chaos Marines and the like.

Reading the new rules and the Codexes that are "compatable", its clear that was and is total BS.

Marine codex was said to be compatable and is the first. It will depend on their model release schedule who goes after Necrons - nothing else will matter.

We know that some armies are getting Junior commanders - good chance it those gettign codexes.

I think it will be

Marines and Necrons
Space Marine Supplements - Wolves and Angels
Sisters of Battle (based on wish to have female army prominant (ironic really)

Then its harder to predict.
Dark Eldar seems a good possibilty

There is no reality where the sisters of battle update doesn't come out within 4-5 months of the end of the edition. And don't give me that 'the book came out in december!!!' nonsense, the army was unplayable until march.

Same thing was said a few years ago about Any chance of a new Sisters of Battle army - and yet here we are.

All depends on the models that they have made, what codexes need updates has no relevance to GW.

If the only new model the SoB get is the Palantine that's been previewed, unless they're changing substantial army-level rules, there's no need for a new book.

If any factions should be early in the cycle due to new releases since their previous codex, it's AdMech and Daemons, even if they didn't get anything else (other than the upcoming AdMech character).

tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Use what parts of it?

Whatever gw doesn't transfer to new codex since they have already said all won't be transfered. Would be typical to not transfer best stuff. Like have specialist mobs in codex but leave kustom jobs off

They said all the Psychic Awakening stuff wouldn't be transferred to codices.

Remember that Psychic Awakening books also include missions.

 Mr Morden wrote:

It's been said many times that Codexes from PA onward were written to be 9th compatible. We're most likely to see new books for Eldar, DE, Orks, Tau, GSC, Chaos Deamons and Guard before we're likely to see SoB, Chaos Marines and the like.

Reading the new rules and the Codexes that are "compatable", its clear that was and is total BS.

Marine codex was said to be compatable and is the first. It will depend on their model release schedule who goes after Necrons - nothing else will matter.

We know that some armies are getting Junior commanders - good chance it those gettign codexes.

I think it will be

Marines and Necrons
Space Marine Supplements - Wolves and Angels
Sisters of Battle (based on wish to have female army prominant (irnoic really)

Then its harder to predict.
Dark Eldar seems a good possibilty

they are compatable. you've been around for a bit Morden. this is just like 4th edition codices in 5th edition etc.

 Mr Morden wrote:

It's been said many times that Codexes from PA onward were written to be 9th compatible. We're most likely to see new books for Eldar, DE, Orks, Tau, GSC, Chaos Deamons and Guard before we're likely to see SoB, Chaos Marines and the like.

Reading the new rules and the Codexes that are "compatable", its clear that was and is total BS.

It isn't. The 9th point costs have issues, but the rules in the codexes largely work fine with the 9th edition rules. Very few things create a divide by zero error that you just can't parse with the rulebook and the codex.
In the very nice and accurate sense of compatibility, they're fine.

Like all edition changes the balance isn't quite there, because different tactics have become more or less valid. (like a focus on objectives over auto-win because everything on the other side of the table is dead already).

 Mr Morden wrote:


Same thing was said a few years ago about Any chance of a new Sisters of Battle army - and yet here we are.

All depends on the models that they have made, what codexes need updates has no relevance to GW.

GW doesn't give NPC factions new codex so soon. It's NPC faction. They get tiny support. And one extra model is hardly need for new codex.

tneva82 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:


Same thing was said a few years ago about Any chance of a new Sisters of Battle army - and yet here we are.

All depends on the models that they have made, what codexes need updates has no relevance to GW.

GW doesn't give NPC factions new codex so soon. It's NPC faction. They get tiny support. And one extra model is hardly need for new codex.

except Necrons are getting a new codex around the same time tneva. or did that escape your notice?

BrianDavion wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
GW doesn't give NPC factions new codex so soon. It's NPC faction. They get tiny support. And one extra model is hardly need for new codex.

except Necrons are getting a new codex around the same time tneva. or did that escape your notice?

Nothing you just said contradicts what he said.

tneva82 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:


Same thing was said a few years ago about Any chance of a new Sisters of Battle army - and yet here we are.

All depends on the models that they have made, what codexes need updates has no relevance to GW.

GW doesn't give NPC factions new codex so soon. It's NPC faction. They get tiny support. And one extra model is hardly need for new codex.

Sisters got a model in PA which was a shock to me.....IF they sold well there may be more. Might not.

Apart from Marines its hard to know what they will make next next.

Could get the melee sisters from the trailer :3

Got a 2nd hq choice coming why not a 2nd troop

Danit wrote:
Could get the melee sisters from the trailer :3p

You mean the basic Sister squad? There's no specifically melee unit in the trailer, they all have bolters.

 Platuan4th wrote:

Danit wrote:
Could get the melee sisters from the trailer :3p

You mean the basic Sister squad? There's no specifically melee unit in the trailer, they all have bolters.

A bunch of them have chainswords