Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion

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**nintura**

Detonating and reanimating scarabs

**Mixzremixzd**

The detonating is most likely the Strat that scarabs have in the 8th Ed codex that deals D3 MW on a 2+. Glad to see it stick around if it is indeed the same strat.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Sounds like Reanimation rolls are after either a unit has completed all it's attacks

or

after a unit has completed all the attacks of one type of weapon

I guess we'll need to wait and see (and maybe wait for a FAQ after that

**Mr_Rose**

Mixzremixzd wrote:
The detonating is most likely the Strat that scarabs have in the 8th Ed codex that deals D3 MW on a 2+. Glad to see it stick around if it is indeed the same strat.

I for one hope it’s a unit special rule now. I remember when scarabs were the ultimate anti-tank and I want those glory days back…

**Ghaz**

Mr_Rose wrote:
Mixzremixzd wrote:
The detonating is most likely the Strat that scarabs have in the 8th Ed codex that deals D3 MW on a 2+. Glad to see it stick around if it is indeed the same strat.

I for one hope it’s a unit special rule now. I remember when scarabs were the ultimate anti-tank and I want those glory days back…

You can make out in the bottom left corner of the image that it is a stratagem.

**tneva82**

The Newman wrote:
Tiberius501 wrote:
So, is it just DR now? Or do you get to roll for the whole unit after an enemy unit has fully attacked them?

As written it's after every attack, so the 'crons get to Reanimate after every individual shot.

As written in battle report which are usually colloquial quick writing rather than actual rules

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The Newman wrote:
Tiberius501 wrote:
The Newman wrote:
Tiberius501 wrote:
So, is it just DR now? Or do you get to roll for the whole unit after an enemy unit has fully attacked them?

As written it's after every attack, so the 'crons get to Reanimate after every individual shot.

How would this affect the dice rolls in practice? Do you think, instead of DR, you roll once every time a model dies, instead of for the mount of dmg? So a 2dmg thing kills a 1 wound dude, he gets to roll 1 dice to see if he gets back up? 2 dmg kills a 2 dmg dude, still rolls 1 dice to see if he gets back up?

That's how I'm reading it, yeah. If that interpretation is correct a 30-man blob of Necron Warriors will be one of the few things able to reliably tank a full round of Aggressor fire with all the rerolls.

You would need 45 shots past armour save to kill 30 blop.

Though is 30 big unit change confirmed somewhere? 20 is atm max which requires 30 failed armour saves

**Voss**

Scarabs get reanimation protocols?
Even when blowing themselves up?

Thats.... neat. And surprising.

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Sasori wrote:
I think it' s much more likely after a unit has finished it's attacks, no per attack. Otherwise the game would take 5 hours+

Also it doesn't make sense. The blurb implies that if the unit is wiped out, you can't get RP rolls. That's very, very hard to do on a shot-by-shot basis.
Its essentially meaningless until the unit is down to one model.

**Ghaz**

Voss wrote:
Scarabs get reanimation protocols?
Even when blowing themselves up?

Thats.... neat. And surprising.

When the article says "Unsurprisingly the Scarabs didn't reanimate after such a cruel death" it was probably because the entire unit was destroyed and thus he knew they would not eligible to reanimate according to the White Dwarf leak.

**Voss**

Ghaz wrote:
Voss wrote:
Scarabs get reanimation protocols?
Even when blowing themselves up?

Thats.... neat. And surprising.

When the article says "Unsurprisingly the Scarabs didn't reanimate after such a cruel death" it was probably because the entire unit was destroyed and thus he knew they would not eligible to reanimate according to the White Dwarf leak.

Right, but previously scarabs didn't reanimation protocols at all. They just didn't have that rule. Ever, as far as I can remember.
So... its surprising.

**tneva82**

Or it's just narrative text. Battle reports in wd aren't 100% gritty rule details.

**Sasori**

Another thing from the WD pages, is that you lose access to protocols if you don't have at least one character on the battlefield with the Noble keyword.

So just add that into the pile of being able to use our special rule. Pretty obnoxious.

**BrianDavion**

the_scotsman wrote:
So, now, to play a game, necron players are keeping track of:

1) Res Prots. This is the signature, army-wide, necron rule.
2) part 1 of your dynasty code
3) Part 2 of your dynasty code
4) Part 1 of your Protocol
5) Part 2 of your Protocol, assuming you went mono-dynasty
6) Your dynasy's super-protocol, assuming you picked the one that they're extra good at.

Yeah this seems like an approachable gameplay pattern, players for sure won't have any trouble keeping track of what stuff does if we systematically go thru and make sure every army has at least 5 army-wide effects applying on it at any given time.

Marines manage to keep track of their stuff just fine

**Sentineil**

That's because Marine players, like Marines, are OP

**unitled**

Sasori wrote:
Another thing from the WD pages, is that you lose access to protocols if you don't have at least one character on the battlefield with the Noble keyword

At the moment it looks like literally only the Edge of Silence Overlord has the Noble keyword, neither the Skorpekh Lord nor the Plasmancer in the set have it. Not to say that won't change ofc!

**insaniak**

BrianDavion wrote:

Marines manage to keep track of their stuff just fine

Do they, though?

From my experience over the years, most players (myself included) struggle just to keep track of which turn it is, let alone remembering multiple, ongoing effects. Remember Night Fighting? Ever remember Night Fighting during a game...?

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Voss wrote:
Scarabs get reanimation protocols?
Even when blowing themselves up?

Thats.... neat. And surprising..

I kind of want to adopt that for my revised 2nd edition rules... Scarabs exploding and then immediately knitting themselves back together to do it again is a hilarious concept.

Although, I suspect, possibly somewhat less hilarious for an opponent.

**Gadzilla666**

insaniak wrote:
Remember Night Fighting? Ever remember Night Fighting during a game...?

I always did. AVE DOMINUS NOX !

**Mr_Rose**

Look, the protocols thing is easy; write each protocol on a separate note card (or buy the inevitable tactics deck) and lay them out in your chosen order face-down. When the round increments, flip the next one face up then flip any others face down.
That way you can keep track of the protocols and the round number in one mechanism.

**H.B.M.C.**

Mr_Rose wrote:
Look, the protocols thing is easy; write each protocol on a separate note card (or buy the inevitable tactics deck) and lay them out in your chosen order face-down. When the round increments, flip the next one face up then flip any others face down.

Or just buy the inevitable (and no doubt expensive) Necron card set that'll have 'em right there.

Because buying cards for a game that cycles through its rules this quickly is always a great idea.

**nintura**

Still makes no sense. What general would randomize their strategy.... why would you not adapt to the situation at hand? You dont leave your men fighting a tank with a 249 SAW just because that's what they had, you bring in the TOW

**Kanluwen**

Sasori wrote:
Another thing from the WD pages, is that you lose access to protocols if you don't have at least one character on the battlefield with the Noble keyword.

So just add that into the pile of being able to use our special rule. Pretty obnoxious.

I've said this for years now about Officers for the Guard. At least Protocols actually do something for the whole of the army rather than just one group of people getting shouted at.

Really starting to get suspicious though as the Protocols are not too dissimilar from an idea I pitched on Dakka about the different 'levels' of Orders that should work from Officers.

**Tastyfish**

nintura wrote:
Still makes no sense. What general would randomize their strategy.... why would you not adapt to the situation at hand? You dont leave your men fighting a tank with a 249 SAW just because that's what they had, you bring in the TOW

Because your're a paranoid narcissist that knows that without keeping tight control over your minions they will inevitably rebel and overthrow you, just like you did to your own overlord.
It's not randomised, you've come up with a plan that is clearly genius and require your minions to execute it to the letter whilst you hover your metaphysical hand over the control protocols. When the time comes your brilliance will shine, unless your underlings reveal their treachery or incompetence.

**alextroy**

tneva82 wrote:
The Newman wrote:
Tiberius501 wrote:
So, is it just DR now? Or do you get to roll for the whole unit after an enemy unit has fully attacked them?

As written it's after every attack, so the 'crons get to Reanimate after every individual shot.

As written in battle report which are usually colloquial quick writing rather than actual rules

I'm thinking after each enemy attack is a conversational way of saying at the end of each phase. Alternatively, it is almost certainly after each enemy unit completes its attacks. Either one of those will be a massive boon to Necron armies.

**JoeRugby**

The new cron rules are Kind of a return to the old rogue trader robot programs...

**Rinkydink**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Or just buy the inevitable (and no doubt expensive) Necron card set that'll have 'em right there.

You forgot to add limited print run(!) to that list H.B.M.C...

**Tastyfish**

Rinkydink wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Or just buy the inevitable (and no doubt expensive) Necron card set that'll have 'em right there.

You forgot to add limited print run(!) to that list H.B.M.C...

What choice did we have once pens were discontinued and moved to Legends?

**H.B.M.C.**

nintura wrote:
You dont leave your men fighting a tank with a 249 SAW just because that's what they had, you bring in the TOW

Ah, but in 40k the SAW can hurt the tank because "ItS aN aBsTrAcTiOn!1".

**Sasori**

Kanluwen wrote:
Sasori wrote:
Another thing from the WD pages, is that you lose access to protocols if you don't have at least one character on the battlefield with the Noble keyword.

So just add that into the pile of being able to use our special rule. Pretty obnoxious.

I've said this for years now about Officers for the Guard. At least Protocols actually do something for the whole of the army rather than just one group of people getting shouted at.

Really starting to get suspicious though as the Protocols are not too dissimilar from an idea I pitched on Dakka about the different 'levels' of Orders that should work from Officers.

You don't get them for the whole army though, they have to be within 6' of a character. That's a pretty major limitation.

**Kanluwen**

Sasori wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Sasori wrote:
Another thing from the WD pages, is that you lose access to protocols if you don't have at least one character on the battlefield with the Noble keyword.

So just add that into the pile of being able to use our special rule. Pretty obnoxious.

I've said this for years now about Officers for the Guard. At least Protocols actually do something for the whole of the army rather than just one group of people getting shouted at.

Really starting to get suspicious though as the Protocols are not too dissimilar from an idea I pitched on Dakka about the different 'levels' of Orders that should work from Officers.

You don't get them for the whole army though, they have to be within 6' of a character. That's a pretty major limitation.

Read what it says though.

Once you activate them, it's within 6' of any of your characters.

**Sasori**

Kanluwen wrote:
Sasori wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Sasori wrote:
Another thing from the WD pages, is that you lose access to protocols if you don't have at least one character on the battlefield with the Noble keyword.

So just add that into the pile of being able to use our special rule. Pretty obnoxious.

I've said this for years now about Officers for the Guard. At least Protocols actually do something for the whole of the army rather than just one group of people getting shouted at.

Really starting to get suspicious though as the Protocols are not too dissimilar from an idea I pitched on Dakka about the different 'levels' of Orders that should work from Officers.

You don't get them for the whole army though, they have to be within 6' of a character. That's a pretty major limitation.

Read what it says though.

Once you activate them, it's within 6' of any of your characters.

Yes, I know what it says, and that's exactly what I put in my post.

We don't exactly have a lot of characters or the points for a lot of characters and all of our characters besides the Technomancer are very slow. This is a severe limitation, that's already got a ton of hoops you have to jump through to even use it.

**Kanluwen**

I fail to see an issue when you have a fairly hefty stable of characters. Just build around that?

It's not like you're having to stick within 3" of an item only five specific units can purchase.