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Voss wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Anyone else wondering what the hell happened to the extra easy build kits?

Not sure. They had just hinted at them again, so I thought they might be coming. But I guess its october for everything, then.

I assumed last week's lull was to ramp up plastic production (either upcoming or stuff that's still out of stock- it seems silly to launch codexes with large chunks of the necron and even SM range 'temporality out of stock').

We did know some of this terrain was coming, and at least one of the booklets.

I thought these might be after the releases tbh, they were previewed after a lot of stuff that's yet to be released.

My concern is that as much as October is a 5 Saturday month, either faction could easily fill the whole month atm. So I wonder if we'll only get a couple of marine bits then the rest spread out again with the supplements maybe.

I just want to know when they're going to release the Imperial Armour Compendium. It's been a long, long wait.

Big article about stuff.

We now have something called "terrain points":






Also, and I'm not sure if this is new, but the Terrain section has been reorganised into the following categories:

1. All Terrain (duh).

2. Gameboards (has the board pack, the Command Expansion, and the sold out Moon Base).

3. Area Terrain (all the Sector Mechanicus stuff, the reactors, the SoB building, some of the Sector Imperialis stuff, Servo-Haulers, and the Command Expansion)

4. Warzone: Scourge Stars (Sector Mechanicus stuff, plus Sector Imperialis Manufactourm (both versions), Crown and the Nurgle tree).

5. Buildings (Tau Gun, Drone and Shieldline, Void Shield, Crown, Webway Gate, Bastion, Skyshield, Bunker and Fort of Redemption

6. Warzone: Cadia (has the defence line/emplacement/bunker, ADL, containers, Crown, Fort of Redemption and the Skyshield)

7. Obstacles (Mek Workshop, Containers, Command Expansion, Imperialis Ruins, Moon Base)

8. Warzone: Ultramar (some Sector Imperialis stuff, SoB building, Nurgle Tree, Crown

9. Warzone: Fifth Sphere Expansion (just the Tau buildings)

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I was looking at the Sanctum Administratus, and cant really tell what added sprues there are. Looks like still 2 mechanicus style walls and at least one floor. maybe a second floor sprue vs the manufactorum?

It'll just be more of this sprue. Current one has two of those and a floor sprue. This might have an extra wall sprue and if we're lucky an extra floor sprue.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
At least Vertigus contains the command edition terrain plus a second set of pipes, what looks like a new pair of corner building ruins, and the comm array.

Vertigus is a double Expansion box, less one of the fuel container thingies, but gaining that psychic relay thingy.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/21/whats-a-battlezone/

New article about Battlezones and Tactical Deployment games

Not much about how that will work only that there will be terrain points which you pay to take terrain pieces you want which in turn can be preconfigured combinations of existing terrain which also has some narrative rules
(Example is an Engine Shed for 60 pts which is 3 building parts together and infantry inside can try to heal a vehicle inside, also models on the top floor get reroll wound rolls of 1 when fighting against enemies on the lower floor)

What is interesting about all of that is that is seems we will only be getting rules for Battlezone: Manufactorum (at least the cards are only for those terrain pieces) but the webstore already has entries for

Warzone: Scourge Stars (Sector Mechanicus stuff, plus Sector Imperialis Manufactourm (both versions), Crown and the Nurgle tree).
Warzone: Cadia (has the defence line/emplacement/bunker, ADL, containers, Crown, Fort of Redemption and the Skyshield)
Warzone: Ultramar (some Sector Imperialis stuff, SoB building, Nurgle Tree, Crown)
Warzone: Fifth Sphere Expansion (just the Tau buildings)
as said above

and the fact they are also talking about the connection to the Beyond the Veil book with Warzone: Pariah

So my guess is we will be getting more Crusade mission packs as campaign books for new Warzones and accompanying them will be expansions to the different terrain cathegories

Also the fact the Tau building are also Warzone so faction specific terrain is also something that can happen

Because this isn’t dumb at all: there are two articles on the Warhammr Community front page right now called “battlezone {%value%}” but are they about the same general topic? Heck no!

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Anyone else wondering what the hell happened to the extra easy build kits?

Not sure. They had just hinted at them again, so I thought they might be coming. But I guess its october for everything, then.

I assumed last week's lull was to ramp up plastic production (either upcoming or stuff that's still out of stock- it seems silly to launch codexes with large chunks of the necron and even SM range 'temporality out of stock').

We did know some of this terrain was coming, and at least one of the booklets.

They planned this lull long time ago. Not in　response to any out of stock issues.

The 'out of stock issues' have been going on for 6 months (I was trying and failing to get necron wraiths back before the price change), and overlap with the period their factory was shutdown for lockdown. If you think they haven't revised their release schedule in light of everything that happened this year, I don't know what to tell you.

Overseas also gets affected for longer because GW can't just cast up to fill gaps, they have to ship in batches which is also impacted by shipping changes the world over.

We can tell things are in a bit of mess even though GW is doing really well at present. Considering that we have two brand new army updates without any new codex release and already have a rules expansion and terrain feature expansion before new codex for the new edition. This is clearly a case that GW has had to move things around to less than ideal slots to give themselves some breathing room between Indomitus and the Marine/Necron launches. I suspect originally they'd have followed hot on the heels of Indomitus - no need to reprint we'd have had the retail release of those kits already.

Yeah i dont see this getting traction in my local group

"hey I wana play 40k, whose up game 2k pts"

"Me. Hey can I bring my own terrain that has special rules I will have to explain that you don't know about?"

"errmmm.. can we just use the terrain available plus feel to bring anything you wana bring which will just be nromal terrain?"

"Yeah.. ok..."

Voss wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Anyone else wondering what the hell happened to the extra easy build kits?

Not sure. They had just hinted at them again, so I thought they might be coming. But I guess its october for everything, then.

I assumed last week's lull was to ramp up plastic production (either upcoming or stuff that's still out of stock- it seems silly to launch codexes with large chunks of the necron and even SM range 'temporality out of stock').

We did know some of this terrain was coming, and at least one of the booklets.

They planned this lull long time ago. Not in　response to any out of stock issues.

The 'out of stock issues' have been going on for 6 months (I was trying and failing to get necron wraiths back before the price change), and overlap with the period their factory was shutdown for lockdown. If you think they haven't revised their release schedule in light of everything that happened this year, I don't know what to tell you.

And if you think they didn't do revision long time ago and instead are winging it by the week lol. You have no idea how companies operate.

Newsflash: lockdown ended months ago. In　case you have been living under the rock gw has been operating for months

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Anyone else wondering what the hell happened to the extra easy build kits?

Not sure. They had just hinted at them again, so I thought they might be coming. But I guess its october for everything, then.

I assumed last week's lull was to ramp up plastic production (either upcoming or stuff that's still out of stock- it seems silly to launch codexes with large chunks of the necron and even SM range 'temporality out of stock').

We did know some of this terrain was coming, and at least one of the booklets.

They planned this lull long time ago. Not in　response to any out of stock issues.

The 'out of stock issues' have been going on for 6 months (I was trying and failing to get necron wraiths back before the price change), and overlap with the period their factory was shutdown for lockdown. If you think they haven't revised their release schedule in light of everything that happened this year, I don't know what to tell you.

And if you think they didn't do revision long time ago and instead are winging it by the week lol. You have no idea how companies operate.

Newsflash: lockdown ended months ago. In　case you have been living under the rock gw has been operating for months

What are you gibbering about? Who said anything about week by week?
I know they scheduled last week's lull in advance. You know, an easy release schedule to help cope with the giant backlog they have and all the projects they still have coming out- they still haven't caught up to everything yet- remember the giants?

Yes, they've been operating for months- that isn't a 'long time ago.' They still have to catch up with the lockdown period, when they were making nothing, and the distancing period when they had fewer people and were working at reduced capacity. The extra MTO for Indomitus, and everything else they have to deal with this year. The had to revise what they originally planned to account for all of that, it doesn't magically go away or fit into work shifts that didn't exist. So there are lulls in releases rather than back to back to back releases, so that can get in the production time to juggle the new releases with the giant backlog they still have.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Because this isn’t dumb at all: there are two articles on the Warhammr Community front page right now called “battlezone {%value%}” but are they about the same general topic? Heck no!

Would you rather fight on Battlezone Bonanza or Battlezone Pariah?

 Argive wrote:
Yeah i dont see this getting traction in my local group

"hey I wana play 40k, whose up game 2k pts"

"Me. Hey can I bring my own terrain that has special rules I will have to explain that you don't know about?"

"errmmm.. can we just use the terrain available plus feel to bring anything you wana bring which will just be nromal terrain?"

"Yeah.. ok..."

Hey the romans did it...

 Argive wrote:
Yeah i dont see this getting traction in my local group

"hey I wana play 40k, whose up game 2k pts"

"Me. Hey can I bring my own terrain that has special rules I will have to explain that you don't know about?"

"errmmm.. can we just use the terrain available plus feel to bring anything you wana bring which will just be nromal terrain?"

"Yeah.. ok..."

What I suspect will happen, especially for LGS play, is folks will just pick their rules and apply it to locally provided terrain instead of having to haul a second case full of building models on top of their armies.

How tournaments embrace (or not) this concept will be interesting to follow.

So far I’ve liked everything new about the edition, or at least think that generally good changes are coming. The terrain supplements seem like they may polarize the community further, as people that don’t collect (GW) terrain aren’t going to want to Play with those rules. I was about to undertake projects to make my own terrain as I really don’t feel like paying GW prices for terrain, but this sounds like a scheme to break that unwillingness to buy their terrain. I wonder if they would make more money by simply including rules with terrain from the terrain mission supplement... unless buying the book would push people to buy more terrain?

These 2 nondescript corner ruins that look like every other corner ruins since the dawn of wargaming are *obviously* a well equipped Engine Shed.

Now watch as this squad of illiterate conscripts grab some rusty tools and in just a few minutes in the middle of a battle repair this vehicle that can normally only be repaired by a Martian techno wizard.

Cryptek of Awesome wrote:
These 2 nondescript corner ruins that look like every other corner ruins since the dawn of wargaming are *obviously* a well equipped Engine Shed.

Now watch as this squad of illiterate conscripts grab some rusty tools and in just a few minutes in the middle of a battle repair this vehicle that can normally only be repaired by a Martian techno wizard.

I know what you're getting at but there are aspects of wargaming that have always been abstract. A player's imagination is always required to flesh out the models.


Now, for someone who really wants to get in the swing, the option is there to add some bits.

For example, the card shown is a machine shed. Take any two corner ruins and add some bits from the servo hauler kit, such as the crane arms and/ or some left over parts from tank kits and you have an identifiable machine shed.

Take the exact same corner ruins and add the oil drums for a 'Promethium Storage' (if such a card exists).


I know I have some bits and bobs left over from representing Cities Of Death strategems and the like that can be likely be mixed and matched with a standard building.

alphaecho wrote:
I know what you're getting at but there are aspects of wargaming that have always been abstract. A player's imagination is always required to flesh out the models.

Yeah, but now imagine that you have a lot of identical ruins... one of them is the repair thing, another is an ammo dump, another is a comms centre, and so on and so on.

It might get a little silly.

macluvin wrote:
So far I’ve liked everything new about the edition, or at least think that generally good changes are coming. The terrain supplements seem like they may polarize the community further, as people that don’t collect (GW) terrain aren’t going to want to Play with those rules. I was about to undertake projects to make my own terrain as I really don’t feel like paying GW prices for terrain, but this sounds like a scheme to break that unwillingness to buy their terrain. I wonder if they would make more money by simply including rules with terrain from the terrain mission supplement... unless buying the book would push people to buy more terrain?

Well this optional supplement is unlikely to replace tournament pack from tournaments. We have specific ruleset for tournaments with missions etc. Unlikely tournaments will replace that with alternative system. Especially one that makes it harder for people to come.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

alphaecho wrote:
I know what you're getting at but there are aspects of wargaming that have always been abstract. A player's imagination is always required to flesh out the models.

Yeah, but now imagine that you have a lot of identical ruins... one of them is the repair thing, another is an ammo dump, another is a comms centre, and so on and so on.

It might get a little silly.

It might do.

The final option is to have the card in the ruins but I could see that being an annoyance for some.

Fortunately, over time, I've gathered enough little bits to put in different pieces of identical terrain to .


I also understand that some gamers may not have much of a terrain bits box to play with.

Is that the boat you're in.....

tneva82 wrote:

macluvin wrote:
So far I’ve liked everything new about the edition, or at least think that generally good changes are coming. The terrain supplements seem like they may polarize the community further, as people that don’t collect (GW) terrain aren’t going to want to Play with those rules. I was about to undertake projects to make my own terrain as I really don’t feel like paying GW prices for terrain, but this sounds like a scheme to break that unwillingness to buy their terrain. I wonder if they would make more money by simply including rules with terrain from the terrain mission supplement... unless buying the book would push people to buy more terrain?

Well this optional supplement is unlikely to replace tournament pack from tournaments. We have specific ruleset for tournaments with missions etc. Unlikely tournaments will replace that with alternative system. Especially one that makes it harder for people to come.

GW I think is trying to appeal to a range of differant people. every edition they release some rules that might be popular but might never catch on.

alphaecho wrote:
I also understand that some gamers may not have much of a terrain bits box to play with.

Is that the boat you're in.....

Nah man. I'm still using shoe boxes and toilet rolls.

I guess my resistance to this expansion is twofold:

1. It removes the theme from the table. If two players are bringing a random set of terrain and, worse, are paying "terrain points"* to get specific terrain pieces that are set in stone with rules you're going to end up with the type of utterly random terrain that tneva82** used to show off in the "Your Latest Game" thread.

2. It's too limited. It's limited to these specific set of buildings, and will forever be that way because GW are only going to release rules for the terrain they sell. They don't sell rivers and hills. They don't sell desert wastelands. They don't sell ruined Martian landscapes. Limiting terrain in this game type to just what GW sells and what's on the card makes the terrain lover in me twitch with annoyance. It's anti-creative, and I hate it.


*Thanks for adding another layer of complexity GW. Just what this game needed...
**That's not a dig at tneva82, BTW. I specifically said used to show off, as over time the terrain in his pics has become more cohesive and more thematic, making for way better pictures (and I have to presume, better games).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

alphaecho wrote:
I also understand that some gamers may not have much of a terrain bits box to play with.

Is that the boat you're in.....

Nah man. I'm still using shoe boxes and toilet rolls.

I think the last time I checked one of your modelling blogs, you'd spent more on GW terrain than I've spent on their products full stop.

I still have a love for the bunker and walkway templates GW included in WD once.

In fact, I need to eat more breakfast cereal to obtain the raw materials for a project.

BrianDavion wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

macluvin wrote:
So far I’ve liked everything new about the edition, or at least think that generally good changes are coming. The terrain supplements seem like they may polarize the community further, as people that don’t collect (GW) terrain aren’t going to want to Play with those rules. I was about to undertake projects to make my own terrain as I really don’t feel like paying GW prices for terrain, but this sounds like a scheme to break that unwillingness to buy their terrain. I wonder if they would make more money by simply including rules with terrain from the terrain mission supplement... unless buying the book would push people to buy more terrain?

Well this optional supplement is unlikely to replace tournament pack from tournaments. We have specific ruleset for tournaments with missions etc. Unlikely tournaments will replace that with alternative system. Especially one that makes it harder for people to come.

GW I think is trying to appeal to a range of differant people. every edition they release some rules that might be popular but might never catch on.

Yes, but I'm failing to see who this actually appeals to. Tournament gamers aren't going to want this because it's more random added to the game and they try to minimize random. Casual and PUG Matched players aren't going to want this because it's just more to keep track of even with the cards and they just want to play the game. Narrative gamers might want this, but generally any building with special rules is what the scenario is going to be based around so you'll be using one, mayyyybe two per game and at that point, most narrative gamers will just assign rules to it based on what they feel best fits the narrative they're trying to tell, they won't need these cards.

And the "each player provides terrain" thing is still really dumb because it makes for a very unconhesive table AND adds another layer of gameyness where everyone just brings what benefits their list the most.

I say this as exactly the kind of customer GW loves(someone who buys whatever I might possibly someday maybe use just to have access to it), I reeeeaaaaaallly don't see what use this has beyond a money grab.

These added terrain rules will just overcomplicate the game even more. I seriously doubt anyone will embrace this.

A rather thin preview today, but it does highlight a couple of things:



This image is actually inaccurate. There should be a duplicate of each of the smaller ruins you see among the pipes. It's impossible to get the larger ruins at the top of the pic without getting a second set of smaller ruins unless they re-cut the sprue... and why would they do that?



This confirms my theory regarding this kit. It's just the current Sector Imperialis Manufactorum kit with one extra wall sprue and one extra floor sprue.



This is just the buildings from the Command Starter, Command Expansion and the bigger Battlezone.

And finally there's this:



A container and no crane? But wait...



A crane but no container?

I'd love to know what this kit actually comes with. If it's the regular Servo-Haulers kit with one Container sprue, then great, otherwise, this is confusing.

How dare gw add optional rules to the game, even more egregious is the people they send to your home to break your knees if you dont use it.

Yeah, 'cause that's the criticism people are making...

Sector Imperialis gameboard has vanished from the US webstore and is 'Last Chance to Buy' on the UK webstore.

Just a heads up.

Not to be "that guy" but the building stuff really isn't related to necrons or space marines codex releases.

Dudeface wrote:
Not to be "that guy" but the building stuff really isn't related to necrons or space marines codex releases.

It does fall under "upcoming releases" however.

Real-talk: this thread got started instead of a generic '40k news thread' like we have for AoS. It is what it is.