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2020/09/26 19:15:33
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
To be fair, the doom stalker and heavy destroyer being ETB does keep their price down a bit. Remember the ETB redemptor war 40 usd vs the 65 for full kit, and it was a pretty nice kit considering.
Maybe there will be some full kit versions of some of these in the future? I think the only things that stayed only ETB from 8th edition release wave were poxwalkers and the blight hauler?
2020/09/26 20:33:54
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
Quasistellar wrote: To be fair, the doom stalker and heavy destroyer being ETB does keep their price down a bit. Remember the ETB redemptor war 40 usd vs the 65 for full kit, and it was a pretty nice kit considering.
Maybe there will be some full kit versions of some of these in the future? I think the only things that stayed only ETB from 8th edition release wave were poxwalkers and the blight hauler?
In 40k, yes. But if AOS is anything to go off of, I wouldn't hold my breath. The ballista, banshees, glaive wraith stalkers (which to be fair, had other models from the boxset), and maybe something else were only ever released as easy to build. The fact that the doom stalker isn't a dual kit with a reanimator is surprising. Especially since the latter wasn't released in one of those expansionary box sets.
2020/09/26 20:35:56
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
Quasistellar wrote: To be fair, the doom stalker and heavy destroyer being ETB does keep their price down a bit. Remember the ETB redemptor war 40 usd vs the 65 for full kit, and it was a pretty nice kit considering.
Maybe there will be some full kit versions of some of these in the future? I think the only things that stayed only ETB from 8th edition release wave were poxwalkers and the blight hauler?
In 40k, yes. But if AOS is anything to go off of, I wouldn't hold my breath. The ballista, banshees, glaive wraith stalkers (which to be fair, had other models from the boxset), and maybe something else were only ever released as easy to build. The fact that the doom stalker isn't a dual kit with a reanimator is surprising. Especially since the latter wasn't released in one of those expansionary box sets.
I have long suspected a large portion of the Necron stuff is going to remain ETB. We don't have that many weapon options, so it makes somewhat sense.
The Reanimator and Doomstalker are also significantly diffrent in size, they were never going to be a dual kit.
Quasistellar wrote: To be fair, the doom stalker and heavy destroyer being ETB does keep their price down a bit. Remember the ETB redemptor war 40 usd vs the 65 for full kit, and it was a pretty nice kit considering.
Considering it was missing half the weapon options?
I remember looking at that a couple times, and thinking 'whyever would I buy it when I can't arm it effectively?'
Though I don't suspect that will happen with the necron stuff here. What we've seen is what they've got.
Maybe there will be some full kit versions of some of these in the future? I think the only things that stayed only ETB from 8th edition release wave were poxwalkers and the blight hauler?
Some how I suspect the necron EZ kits are much more likely to stay EZs, exactly like the poxwalkers and blight haulers.
Or the Chaos Warrior starter and quite a few other AoS models
The Shadowspear stuff isn't EZ build, but a lot of that never got a proper kit either (greater possessed, oblits, venomcrawler, nor even SM Suppressors.
I think a lot of the EZ kits are going to stick. If some of them turn out to be really popular, I can see a reassessment happening in the future, but GW seems to like this piecemeal approach.
The ATV and "I'm not an alien heavy loader" are two models that really stand out as odd in design for space marines. They just don't look like the sort of thing you charge into battle on, esp as marines. One is a loader from out of battle; suited for servitors; the other is a buggy that just doesn't look beefy not heavy enough for a marine and not like it can go offroad all that much either. It's too "race car" design.
Overread wrote: The ATV and "I'm not an alien heavy loader" are two models that really stand out as odd in design for space marines. They just don't look like the sort of thing you charge into battle on, esp as marines. One is a loader from out of battle; suited for servitors; the other is a buggy that just doesn't look beefy not heavy enough for a marine and not like it can go offroad all that much either. It's too "race car" design.
It's the sort of design an ork would use.
To be fair, it's not the first time marines are using something that wasn't intended for battle. I mean, look at terminator suits: These sealed environment suits enabled maintenance crews of spacecraft to operate in extremely hazardous environments such as hard vacuum or in other adverse atmospheric conditions.
2020/09/27 04:17:31
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Oh boy, a price increase for their already expensive rules that will be of mediocre quality and probably typos.
I agree that you are on to the most probable hypothesis based on past trends, but I am hoping that we got lucky this time and that what happened was that they just decided to push out a bunch of gak that was meant to occupy us while the real devs worked behind the scenes on 8th. I definitely would not be surprised if you were right though.
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2020/09/27 05:38:04
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
Gadzilla666 wrote:Well, one more week to "wait and see" how the new codexes stack up to each other.
Obviously there's always something else "over the rules horizon", but we should finally get to see if loyalists will continue to reign supreme and if Necrons are getting screwed.
Personally I'm more interested in what the Imperial Armour Compendium does for my favorite slab of resin and plastic. But that's still over that next hill it seems.....
2020/09/27 06:08:03
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
At least the Compendium has been announced, which would normally put it in a "within three months" window, so I'd imagine you'll be able to get your corrupted little mitts on it by the end of the year.
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2020/09/27 07:34:12
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
Dysartes wrote: At least the Compendium has been announced, which would normally put it in a "within three months" window, so I'd imagine you'll be able to get your corrupted little mitts on it by the end of the year.
I hope you're right, I've been waiting for this ever since gw let that drunken intern write the points for the legion super heavys in CA2018. (Actually, maybe it was whoever designed the klos, how else were they ever going to get anyone to play that eyesore if the Legions had good looking super heavys with good rules available to them?)
2020/09/27 07:41:42
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
I was pretty happy when they lowered Codex prices with 8th edition.
I think GW loses a lot of the goodwill they've built up over the last few years or let's say the start of 9th really seems heavy-handed to me and I don't think it's all because of Corona:
-The App was/ is an embarassment
- the new points costs might work once Codizes are out, but they could've just adjusted them in these
- the terrain expansion from this week seems extremely overpriced and the rules aren't in the book you buy for it
- Codex prices go up (maybe because they give you access to a digital version as well - for which, in order to use it, you have to pay again...)
- DLC style mission books (we are at 3 expansion books with additional missions already, right?)
I mean, I like what I've read about the actual 9th edition rules so far, even though the missions seem to be all the same, but GWs missions were never good and after 2,3 games people wrote their own missions anyway and I guess we'll continue that way in 9th, too. But everything aside from the basic rulebook and the Necron models seems to be... badly managed.
2020/09/27 08:07:22
Subject: Re:Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
the missions books strikes me as more GW trying to gauge intreast in that style of content more then anything.
frankly I expect it'll largly peter out as GW realizes that the demand for such things isn't that high. people tend to when a supplement like PA had missions in it, largely ignore them
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2020/09/27 08:10:02
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
As far as I’m aware, the digital download of the codex only require the free app, so you don’t have to “pay again” for that.
I’m just hoping that they still do the excellent interactive iBook codices, but at this point it’s a faint hope. They want to herd us into their crappy app ecosystem and I can’t see that they leave a way around it like that.
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2020/09/27 09:59:00
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
Dysartes wrote: At least the Compendium has been announced, which would normally put it in a "within three months" window, so I'd imagine you'll be able to get your corrupted little mitts on it by the end of the year.
I hope you're right, I've been waiting for this ever since gw let that drunken intern write the points for the legion super heavys in CA2018. (Actually, maybe it was whoever designed the klos, how else were they ever going to get anyone to play that eyesore if the Legions had good looking super heavys with good rules available to them?)
Klos is plastic. Legion superheavies resin. gw has vested interest klos being more playable than resin.
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2020/09/27 10:20:12
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
Dysartes wrote: At least the Compendium has been announced, which would normally put it in a "within three months" window, so I'd imagine you'll be able to get your corrupted little mitts on it by the end of the year.
I hope you're right, I've been waiting for this ever since gw let that drunken intern write the points for the legion super heavys in CA2018. (Actually, maybe it was whoever designed the klos, how else were they ever going to get anyone to play that eyesore if the Legions had good looking super heavys with good rules available to them?)
Klos is plastic. Legion superheavies resin. gw has vested interest klos being more playable than resin.
Why, they produce and sell both, money goes into the same place and I dare say the fellblade costs less to get into production.
2020/09/27 11:17:03
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
Dysartes wrote: At least the Compendium has been announced, which would normally put it in a "within three months" window, so I'd imagine you'll be able to get your corrupted little mitts on it by the end of the year.
I hope you're right, I've been waiting for this ever since gw let that drunken intern write the points for the legion super heavys in CA2018. (Actually, maybe it was whoever designed the klos, how else were they ever going to get anyone to play that eyesore if the Legions had good looking super heavys with good rules available to them?)
Klos is plastic. Legion superheavies resin. gw has vested interest klos being more playable than resin.
Why, they produce and sell both, money goes into the same place and I dare say the fellblade costs less to get into production.
Yeah, I don't know why they nerfed the legion super heavys so hard, but somehow I doubt it was because they don't want to sell the models
2020/09/27 11:21:56
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
Dysartes wrote: At least the Compendium has been announced, which would normally put it in a "within three months" window, so I'd imagine you'll be able to get your corrupted little mitts on it by the end of the year.
I hope you're right, I've been waiting for this ever since gw let that drunken intern write the points for the legion super heavys in CA2018. (Actually, maybe it was whoever designed the klos, how else were they ever going to get anyone to play that eyesore if the Legions had good looking super heavys with good rules available to them?)
Klos is plastic. Legion superheavies resin. gw has vested interest klos being more playable than resin.
Why, they produce and sell both, money goes into the same place and I dare say the fellblade costs less to get into production.
Yeah, I don't know why they nerfed the legion super heavys so hard, but somehow I doubt it was because they don't want to sell the models
I can imagine a whole slew of reasons, last but not least the possible market, considering how disliked Resin is comparatively to plastic.
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2020/09/27 11:25:48
Subject: Re:Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
could also be GW trying to dischourage widespread use of old heresy era super heavies, we know GW sometimes over prices things if they want to dischourage their wide spread use
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2020/09/27 11:44:55
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
Dysartes wrote: At least the Compendium has been announced, which would normally put it in a "within three months" window, so I'd imagine you'll be able to get your corrupted little mitts on it by the end of the year.
I hope you're right, I've been waiting for this ever since gw let that drunken intern write the points for the legion super heavys in CA2018. (Actually, maybe it was whoever designed the klos, how else were they ever going to get anyone to play that eyesore if the Legions had good looking super heavys with good rules available to them?)
Klos is plastic. Legion superheavies resin. gw has vested interest klos being more playable than resin.
Why, they produce and sell both, money goes into the same place and I dare say the fellblade costs less to get into production.
Yeah, I don't know why they nerfed the legion super heavys so hard, but somehow I doubt it was because they don't want to sell the models
I can imagine a whole slew of reasons, last but not least the possible market, considering how disliked Resin is comparatively to plastic.
Maybe, but the Fellblade and Falchion are only partly resin, the inner hull is from the Baneblade kit. And if they hate resin so much, why did they make the new super heavy for their poster boy, most popular faction out of it?
BrianDavion wrote:could also be GW trying to dischourage widespread use of old heresy era super heavies, we know GW sometimes over prices things if they want to dischourage their wide spread use
Why? Makes sense for loyalists, but the Legions wouldn't stop using them.
If I was to guess, I'd say it was because fw went and made them T9. I can't think of any other unit that's T9, maybe gw really does think everything should be capped at T8 without some kind of buff.