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GW just can't resist any opportunity to raise prices, can they?

$50 for a codex that's designed to be used with an additional supplement anyway.

Dudeface wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
At least the Compendium has been announced, which would normally put it in a "within three months" window, so I'd imagine you'll be able to get your corrupted little mitts on it by the end of the year.

I hope you're right, I've been waiting for this ever since gw let that drunken intern write the points for the legion super heavys in CA2018. (Actually, maybe it was whoever designed the klos, how else were they ever going to get anyone to play that eyesore if the Legions had good looking super heavys with good rules available to them?)

Klos is　plastic. Legion superheavies resin.　gw has vested interest klos being more playable　than　resin.

Why, they produce and sell both, money goes into the same place and I dare say the fellblade costs less to get into production.

You get more of price as pure profit. Plastic comes put mould and material to machine and push button.then just wait as automated process generates moulds at will.

Resin is much less automatea process.

Answer is profit margin.do you want 90 pound for every 100 pound you get or 40?

tneva82 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
At least the Compendium has been announced, which would normally put it in a "within three months" window, so I'd imagine you'll be able to get your corrupted little mitts on it by the end of the year.

I hope you're right, I've been waiting for this ever since gw let that drunken intern write the points for the legion super heavys in CA2018. (Actually, maybe it was whoever designed the klos, how else were they ever going to get anyone to play that eyesore if the Legions had good looking super heavys with good rules available to them?)

Klos is　plastic. Legion superheavies resin.　gw has vested interest klos being more playable　than　resin.

Why, they produce and sell both, money goes into the same place and I dare say the fellblade costs less to get into production.

You get more of price as pure profit. Plastic comes put mould and material to machine and push button.then just wait as automated process generates moulds at will.

Resin is much less automatea process.

Answer is profit margin.do you want 90 pound for every 100 pound you get or 40?

Its not hat clear cut though, if the design and resin mold costs 10k and the plastic 100k, it muddies the water, its still cheaper to do it in resin for the first x units.

Confirmation of Necrons and SM going up for pre-order next week

Regular Codex and Canoptek for me! Necron dice are ok but nothing special. Silent King is a beast of a model but something for another day for me (esp as its clearly a big build and paint job). Heavy destroyer is very cool, but nothing beats Canoptek .

Worth putting separately:

Sadly, Space Marine enthusiasts in Australia and New Zealand will have to wait a little longer to get their hands on this skull-masked hero. The mass-conveyer the Chaplains bound for the Antipodes were on has been delayed by a storm worthy of Fenrisian helwinter – we expect that you’ll be able to pre-order him around the 17th of October.

The ATV looks progressively worse with each fresh viewing.

I’m scared there aren’t going to be PDF codexes to buy cheaper on iBooks anymore...

JWBS wrote:
The ATV looks progressively worse with each fresh viewing.

I said this when it first dropped but it bears repeating...it would look better with Phobos or Scouts crewing it, not 'full' Primaris. Even better would be Chapter Serfs.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
I’m scared there aren’t going to be PDF codexes to buy cheaper on iBooks anymore...

Probably a good case for this. I suspect you'll be able to buy the Dexes in App like Aos for cheaper though.

 Irbis wrote:
Only someone who never read any Tau fluff can say that.

Especially recent one. Or FFG where Tau create organizations worse than ISIS.

I'm sorry they are working very hard for the Greater Good, and they want everyone to live happy in harmony in the Tau empire, they are really nice.

 Kanluwen wrote:

JWBS wrote:
The ATV looks progressively worse with each fresh viewing.

I said this when it first dropped but it bears repeating...it would look better with Phobos or Scouts crewing it, not 'full' Primaris. Even better would be Chapter Serfs.

Now that's going to bug me. It would have been a logical choice for a Phobos army. Dang

Equipped with a carapace-mounted doomsday blaster, which increases in power the further away its target is

That sounds interesting

Other races - build long range artillery designed to hide behind terrain and fire in an upward and then falling arc

Necrons - build a crawling artillery unit that clambers up as high as it can go to get a direct line of devastating fire toward the enemy.

 Overread wrote:
Other races - build long range artillery designed to hide behind terrain and fire in an upward and then falling arc

Necrons - build a crawling artillery unit that clambers up as high as it can go to get a direct line of devastating fire toward the enemy.

The last time I checked, energy rays can't bend in flight (to any appreciable degree). So only weapons that can take advantage of gravity or can redirect themselves in flight will allow you to shoot at things behind things.

Necrons being too high tech for tossing around physical projectiles just have to satisfy their need for dakka with ways to improve line of sight.

 Kanluwen wrote:

JWBS wrote:
The ATV looks progressively worse with each fresh viewing.

I said this when it first dropped but it bears repeating...it would look better with Phobos or Scouts crewing it, not 'full' Primaris. Even better would be Chapter Serfs.

Codex Supplement Chapter Serfs.

Are you calling it?

alphaecho wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

JWBS wrote:
The ATV looks progressively worse with each fresh viewing.

I said this when it first dropped but it bears repeating...it would look better with Phobos or Scouts crewing it, not 'full' Primaris. Even better would be Chapter Serfs.

Codex Supplement Chapter Serfs.

Are you calling it?

Codex: Adeptus Plebius.

Even though I don't play necrons, those dice really speak to me.

Yep, the Necron dice are ace, I must get me a set! Also glad to see the protocols in the data cards.

 alextroy wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Other races - build long range artillery designed to hide behind terrain and fire in an upward and then falling arc

Necrons - build a crawling artillery unit that clambers up as high as it can go to get a direct line of devastating fire toward the enemy.

The last time I checked, energy rays can't bend in flight (to any appreciable degree). So only weapons that can take advantage of gravity or can redirect themselves in flight will allow you to shoot at things behind things.

Necrons being too high tech for tossing around physical projectiles just have to satisfy their need for dakka with ways to improve line of sight.

At least two other races use tech that works the same way(Eldar with Vibro weapons and humanity with Conversion Beams) with regards to needing direct LoS and range determining damage dealt.

So let me se if I understand the entry point for someone wanting space wolves this year.... Buy:
Rulebook 40, Dex 30 and Spacewolf supplement 20 or 25?

Thats 90ish Pounds upfront before investing in models.

 NAVARRO wrote:
So let me se if I understand the entry point for someone wanting space wolves this year.... Buy:
Rulebook 40, Dex 30 and Spacewolf supplement 20 or 25?

Thats 90ish Pounds upfront before investing in models.

Same as any other Marine Chapter right?

of course only Marine subfactions are given their own supplements - no one else gets that level of support - but you want those extra bits and pieces right?

Its an extra 25 more than EVERYONE else has to pay to get your own entire book of lore (likely copy pasted but thats true of all Codexes)

Kanluwen wrote:

JWBS wrote:
The ATV looks progressively worse with each fresh viewing.

I said this when it first dropped but it bears repeating...it would look better with Phobos or Scouts crewing it, not 'full' Primaris. Even better would be Chapter Serfs.

Nah, slaved servitors. More grimdark.

Matrindur wrote:

Equipped with a carapace-mounted doomsday blaster, which increases in power the further away its target is

That sounds interesting

Sounds like a conversion beamer.

 NAVARRO wrote:
So let me se if I understand the entry point for someone wanting space wolves this year.... Buy:
Rulebook 40, Dex 30 and Spacewolf supplement 20 or 25?

Thats 90ish Pounds upfront before investing in models.

The only extra over what everyone else pays is the Supplement. Don't forget most other armies have subfactions who get a paragraph (if that) of alternative rule bonuses and equipment options and sometimes unit restrictions or allowances. They don't get unique models ("new"models allowed in are typically allied from another army); they don't even get shoulderpads or other unique model addons every so often. So yes you pay more, but at the same time you get way more support.


Plus you can easily pick up rule books for £20 or so from the split Indomitus set. Heck I've still got one I've yet to shift and sell.

 Kanluwen wrote:

JWBS wrote:
The ATV looks progressively worse with each fresh viewing.

I said this when it first dropped but it bears repeating...it would look better with Phobos or Scouts crewing it, not 'full' Primaris. Even better would be Chapter Serfs.

I really wish they would do more with Serfs - same is true of the gun platform. Every single one has a Techmarine crewing it - right.....

Yeah sure more support more rules more money.

My Point was more in the sense that entry point to play 40K in 2020 with their most popular factions is quite high.
I dare to say almost prohibitive for a ruleset.

Im ok paying 30 for my Deathguard but not ok to pay 50 for my space wolves no matter how much extra bits they have on supplement. it just adds to much.

In my little bubble I would have to spend Rulebook 40 SW 50 and DG 30 that's like120 on rules and fluff. OUCH!

I mean, I rather buy more models to paint and build and skip the game altogether... Im probably alone there, I know XD.

You are not alone.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Yeah sure more support more rules more money.

My Point was more in the sense that entry point to play 40K in 2020 with their most popular factions is quite high.
I dare to say almost prohibitive for a ruleset.

Im ok paying 30 for my Deathguard but not ok to pay 50 for my space wolves no matter how much extra bits they have on supplement. it just adds to much.

In my little bubble I would have to spend Rulebook 40 SW 50 and DG 30 that's like120 on rules and fluff. OUCH!

I mean, I rather buy more models to paint and build and skip the game altogether... Im probably alone there, I know XD.

Not alone by far, most of us would prefer to spend more on models than on rules.
Like I said I dislike the £25 let alone potential £30 price for a codex; at the same time I do realise that the £12 versions were half as thick, softback and often only had a few colour pages rather than all colour. So I can at least see where the size and quality of the product has improved.

Technically, the Space Wolf chapter tactic rule is in the main codex so you don’t “need” the supplement.
That said I never bought the last marine codex or supplements so I’d don’t know what exactly would be in them.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Technically, the Space Wolf chapter tactic rule is in the main codex so you don’t “need” the supplement.
That said I never bought the last marine codex or supplements so I’d don’t know what exactly would be in them.

The super doctrines, warlord traits, strats, psychic powers and chapter specific units, expanded fluff etc and assumingly crusade gubbins.

The supplements are the character and flavour of the chapter, the codex is the bare minimums to run a chapter.