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Well there goes my idea for Outrider death squad for Flesh Tearers if the unit size is limited to 3.

Although hard to swallow as its hard to imagine Scouts being Elite choice now.

Why, they've been elites for some armies before. It's not surprising at all. 10% of your army isn't the core of your army.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Not gonna lie. Those don't really sound like nerfs. A little more restrictive but I feel like it's not going to impact a lot of the current lists. And if bladeguard and eradicators didn't bump in points those are central units. I think we all saw toned down rerolls coming.

Yep...plus the "Core" thing.

So many people seemed to focus on "it's gonna be Troops! or things that could be Troops via a FOC swap in the Old Days!" that they seemed to gloss over GW outright implying they're going to be the 'main' themes for an army's units.

Sotahullu wrote:
Well there goes my idea for Outrider death squad for Flesh Tearers if the unit size is limited to 3.

Although hard to swallow as its hard to imagine Scouts being Elite choice now.

I have a feeling it’s because they aren’t getting a proper kit and are stuck with the easy build one in the starter sets. I have a horrible feeling the Skorpekh Destroyers are also going to be like this.

No sledgehammer nerfs but still impactful. Honour the chapter, only in death, chapter master and scouts being the most important ones

If those leaks are real, I'm kinda liking them (I play Space Marines).

I'm just curious if Special Issue Ammunition is simply moved to the Deathwatch supplement, and what unit restrictions there are for the previously separate codex marines (DW, BA, DA, SW).

I've held off on painting all of indomitus space marines since I'm still not sure whether several of the units will end up as DW or Iron Hands.

Those leaks though are in direct contrast with what we now from datasheets in boxes.

 Tiberius501 wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:
Well there goes my idea for Outrider death squad for Flesh Tearers if the unit size is limited to 3.

Although hard to swallow as its hard to imagine Scouts being Elite choice now.

I have a feeling it’s because they aren’t getting a proper kit and are stuck with the easy build one in the starter sets. I have a horrible feeling the Skorpekh Destroyers are also going to be like this.

People said this about Eliminators too, but they're capped at 3s.

Personal hope:
Aggressors get nerfed down to 3 model units, tops. Same with all the other Gravis stuff barring maybe Heavy Intercessors.

I agree Spoletta, I’m not convinced.

Quasistellar wrote:

I'm just curious if Special Issue Ammunition is simply moved to the Deathwatch supplement, and what unit restrictions there are for the previously separate codex marines (DW, BA, DA, SW).

SIA is (presently) a datasheet ability for specific Deathwatch units. There is quite literally zero chance it will be printed in the prime Marine codex, because those units for regular Marines never had SIA.

Spoletta wrote:
Those leaks though are in direct contrast with what we now from datasheets in boxes.

How so?

Spoletta wrote:
Those leaks though are in direct contrast with what we now from datasheets in boxes.

What exactly? The only thing I could think of is the thunder hammer, but that had different stats in different leaked sheets so it doesn't really count

 Tiberius501 wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:
Well there goes my idea for Outrider death squad for Flesh Tearers if the unit size is limited to 3.

Although hard to swallow as its hard to imagine Scouts being Elite choice now.

I have a feeling it’s because they aren’t getting a proper kit and are stuck with the easy build one in the starter sets. I have a horrible feeling the Skorpekh Destroyers are also going to be like this.

I can almost guarantee that the current Skorpekhs are all we are getting. It'll be a Datasheet like the Ophydians where every 3 models must have a reap blade and cap at 6. That is my guess

On to the leaks, I want to say the only thing I remember being diffrent from the leaked Datahseets is the Thunder Hammer. Does anyone know of any others?

 Sasori wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:
Well there goes my idea for Outrider death squad for Flesh Tearers if the unit size is limited to 3.

Although hard to swallow as its hard to imagine Scouts being Elite choice now.

I have a feeling it’s because they aren’t getting a proper kit and are stuck with the easy build one in the starter sets. I have a horrible feeling the Skorpekh Destroyers are also going to be like this.

I can almost guarantee that the current Skorpekhs are all we are getting. It'll be a Datasheet like the Ophydians where every 3 models must have a reap blade and cap at 6. That is my guess

On to the leaks, I want to say the only thing I remember being diffrent from the leaked Datahseets is the Thunder Hammer. Does anyone know of any others?

Mainly the thunder hammer, that had different dmg on the different sheets shown, but were both still -3AP.

People, don't humour sourceless leaks with any more attention than they deserve. I mean, looking at that list I can pick out a few that sound like absolute nonsense, which calls the rest of that list into severe question.

But hey, I heard from my cousin's boyfriend's brother who works at a GW store in the North that you can now take 20-man Devastator squads! And he works for them, so it must be true!

 Super Ready wrote:
People, don't humour sourceless leaks with any more attention than they deserve. I mean, looking at that list I can pick out a few that sound like absolute nonsense, which calls the rest of that list into severe question.

But hey, I heard from my cousin's boyfriend's brother who works at a GW store in the North that you can now take 20-man Devastator squads! And he works for them, so it must be true!

Or you can be an ahole to people to rpove how cool you and smart you are! Honestly no one seems to be taking them as gospel but discussion of rumor is something thisnis for. Additionally different groups get different rules for playtesting so some could be accurate and some not. Most seem reasonable honestly.

There is a purpose to the snark. Encouraging people to back up their claims with their sources, which in turn reduces the spread of 'fake news' and the like.
Maybe I could have put it nicer, but I stand by my point. Post your source or by default, I'm not going to believe a word you say.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:
Well there goes my idea for Outrider death squad for Flesh Tearers if the unit size is limited to 3.

Although hard to swallow as its hard to imagine Scouts being Elite choice now.

I have a feeling it’s because they aren’t getting a proper kit and are stuck with the easy build one in the starter sets. I have a horrible feeling the Skorpekh Destroyers are also going to be like this.

People said this about Eliminators too, but they're capped at 3s.

Personal hope:
Aggressors get nerfed down to 3 model units, tops. Same with all the other Gravis stuff barring maybe Heavy Intercessors.

This list has Eradicators(Gravis) at 3-6, so if the list isn't a jape, you can stop hoping.

 AduroT wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
Codex: Necrons – New Crusade Rules on Warhammer Community (and more Necron photos - in a new paint scheme):

I do not care for that scheme. Everything just kind of blends into an obscure blob of color.

For me its everything wrong with 'edge highlighting' at its worst, but on garish display.

 Platuan4th wrote:

This list has Eradicators(Gravis) at 3-6, so if the list isn't a jape, you can stop hoping.

Booooo. Pretty sure it's a troll list though.

KurtAngle2 wrote:
- Scouts are elites

Ick.

KurtAngle2 wrote:
- Chapter master is 40pts and CM picks one unit in the command phase to get full rerolls.

That sounds like typical GW balancing. Take something that's overpowered and raise its cost (or give it one in this case) but also change its rules to be worse.

KurtAngle2 wrote:
- Deathwatch seems to have lost special ammo...

That's core to the identity of the Deathwatch. How can they remove that?

KurtAngle2 wrote:
- Theres a melta bomb stratagem that deals 2d3 MW in CC (to a vehicle or monster), 1 or 2 cp, unsure

Melta-Bombs are a strat now? WTF?

KurtAngle2 wrote:
- Outriders are 3 per unit...

*sigh* I don't know why I expected anything different. No model/no rule.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That's core to the identity of the Deathwatch. How can they remove that?

SIA is a Deathwatch datasheet specific ability. It was never going to appear in the general Astartes Codex because quite literally nothing in the Codex has it. It'll be handled in the Deathwatch Supplement.

Or special ammunition will become a strat.

Sterling191 wrote:

SIA is a Deathwatch datasheet specific ability. It was never going to appear in the general Astartes Codex because quite literally nothing in the Codex has it. It'll be handled in the Deathwatch Supplement.

Not to pick on you, but didn't Sternguard Veterans have it or was it a stratagem?

Haven't used them in some time so might be missing something--other than my book not being handy.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:

SIA is a Deathwatch datasheet specific ability. It was never going to appear in the general Astartes Codex because quite literally nothing in the Codex has it. It'll be handled in the Deathwatch Supplement.

Not to pick on you, but didn't Sternguard Veterans have it or was it a stratagem?

Haven't used them in some time so might be missing something--other than my book not being handy.

Sternguard had it before DW was a thing.
Then they had it removed, and replaced with one profile special issue bolters.
They also have a strat to boost their bolter fire +1 to wound IIRC.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Not to pick on you, but didn't Sternguard Veterans have it or was it a stratagem?

Haven't used them in some time so might be missing something--other than my book not being handy.

In 7th they did (and probably prior, but that was before my time with 40k). They lost it going into 8th in favor of the special issue boltgun that's just a long range Inferno Boltgun, and (barring something exceedingly stupid from GW) wont have it for 9th either.

Sternguard certainly had special issue ammo before Deathwatch were created as a faction - they were part of the lore, but only thanks to Brother Artemis being in the Inquisition game system.
But if you want to go even further back? Hellfire rounds were available to the Ultramarines' Tyrannic War Veterans, which existed even before Sternguard were called Sternguard (they existed, but as just "Veteran Tactical Squads", and only had a slightly better profile to boast over the non-veteran version).
For a time Hellfire rounds were also available to heavy bolters, before Deathwatch seemingly snapped them all up along with the other rounds available.

That thing about a strat for whirlwinds that makes whatever they shoot lose defensive positions and also fight last seems both stupid and strange enough to be just the sort of thing GW would do, because giving space marines a fights last character wasn't enough, gotta also give them the ability to put it on anything literally anywhere on the table with a non-LOS shooting unit!

If someone came up with that as a fake I actually gotta hand it to them, it's perfection.

 Super Ready wrote:
Sternguard certainly had special issue ammo before Deathwatch were created as a faction - they were part of the lore, but only thanks to Brother Artemis being in the Inquisition game system.
But if you want to go even further back? Hellfire rounds were available to the Ultramarines' Tyrannic War Veterans, which existed even before Sternguard were called Sternguard (they existed, but as just "Veteran Tactical Squads", and only had a slightly better profile to boast over the non-veteran version).
For a time Hellfire rounds were also available to heavy bolters, before Deathwatch seemingly snapped them all up along with the other rounds available.

Deathwatch had rules in White Dwarf before Sternguard were a thing and had SIA and Hellfire round Heavy Bolters in those rules. The rules were released when GW put out the metal upgrade kit in 4th.

Deathwatch rules are probably moved to their supplement, doesn’t make sense to have that specialist stuff in the main rulebook.