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Justyn wrote:

This might be the most exciting bit out of all of that!

That page really just says: Space Wolf players you don't really need this book at all.

Unless, of course, you actually want to field any of the new units, or have the latest revised/updated rules for any Primaris units you field.

That said, I’m not bothering with the main dex until the SW supplement arrives.

Does Roboute Guilliman change at all? Does he still effect imperial units?


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Does Roboute Guilliman change at all? Does he still effect imperial units?

Justyn wrote:

This might be the most exciting bit out of all of that!

That page really just says: Space Wolf players you don't really need this book at all.

Sure. No chapter tactic for you and losing tons of stratagems if you don't have the book. Not many vehicles either

Heavy intercessors at T8, W3 and weapons S5 with more range for only 28pts. Normal shooty intercessors have to worry about being replaced.

Mr_Rose wrote:

Justyn wrote:

This might be the most exciting bit out of all of that!

That page really just says: Space Wolf players you don't really need this book at all.

Unless, of course, you actually want to field any of the new units, or have the latest revised/updated rules for any Primaris units you field.

That said, I’m not bothering with the main dex until the SW supplement arrives.

Yeah, that bit essentially says "Space Wolves are Primaris only until the Supplement".

RegulusBlack wrote:Does Roboute Guilliman change at all? Does he still effect imperial units?


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Guilliman isn't in the main Codex since he's an Ultramarine unit. There are no Special Characters in the main Codex.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
And that means no one else should use them because? Look, we had a thread about what to do about the super heavy auxiliary detachment a couple weeks back in general, maybe it would be more appropriate to discuss this there? But I'd just like to point out that I don't play renegades, I play Legionnaires, and Legionnaires use Legion weapons, like super heavys.

Legionaries, as in these guys who had their arses kicked from Terra to Eye of Terror and ran with tails between their legs abandoning all that stuff? These ones?

Because outside of fanfiction, it makes no sense for them to have any of that stuff left. If it wasn't abandoned in some hasty escape, blown up in battle, then it simply broke down and fell apart from lack of maintenance and spare parts in the meantime. Even CSM and Terminator armor of the traitors is cobbled together from whatever spare parts they could loot, and you think they can field superheavy detachments? How? They are lucky to have a dreadnought or predator from legion days, even the bands that still have them are mostly fielding random looted vehicles, not 30K armored companies...

You know right chaos has planets dedicated to producing new stuff? What with half the guys who made equipment in 30k going chaos...

Logically it's imperium that has lost tech while on chaos side there are literally same　guys who produced stuff 10k earlier doing　stuff again. There's people　there who know how tech works and not just follow 1000's years old rituals.

I just need to know if assault marines got 2 attacks base and their point cost.


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I just need to know if assault marines got 2 attacks base and their point cost.

Apparently GW thought the Crimson Fists Chapter Tactic (which was already pretty bad) needed more nerfing, so it only works in shooting now. Hooray.

So multi meltas, heavy bolters etc. Did they get point changes? Tesla immortal　got price　hike despite tesla hitting nerfbat. Good thing　bought gauss ones short time ago. Price drop on those with range buff unexpected bonus

So, can my Dark Angels now have centurions, thunderfire cannons and regular planes? Any source on that?

 Spreelock wrote:
So, can my Dark Angels now have centurions, thunderfire cannons and regular planes? Any source on that?

Yes. The Chapter Restrictions only lists that they can't have Sternguard and Vanguard.

Ooh, thanks so much!

Woo. Finally get to see the backside (and base connection) for the Heavy Destroyer. And it. is. awful.
Huzzah for 360 views.

And the US GW site is running like molasses.

So are Sternguard bolters still the same?

Honestly, a bit surprised the Heavy Destroyer had two gun options; same with the ATV. The floaty bit is a bit odd, but if the Lokhurst lord ends up with good rules, it looks easy enough to swap out the body with something to convert one up.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Honestly, a bit surprised the Heavy Destroyer had two gun options; same with the ATV. The floaty bit is a bit odd, but if the Lokhurst lord ends up with good rules, it looks easy enough to swap out the body with something to convert one up.

We've seen both weapons for the Heavy Destroyer in previews from GW for almost the last month.

As I mentioned in another thread, the goonhammer article states that C'tan no longer benefit from Look out Sir. This is kind of a big deal, despite Necrodermis being strong

I've realised from the list of restricted units that Space Wolves can now take "normal" Scouts. Something tells me that separate, veteran Wolf Scouts are no longer a thing in rules terms, even if they're still there in lore...

Voss wrote:
Woo. Finally get to see the backside (and base connection) for the Heavy Destroyer. And it. is. awful.
Huzzah for 360 views.

And the US GW site is running like molasses.

Got my stuff ordered and processed in like 3 minutes.

 Super Ready wrote:
I've realised from the list of restricted units that Space Wolves can now take "normal" Scouts. Something tells me that separate, veteran Wolf Scouts are no longer a thing in rules terms, even if they're still there in lore...

This is Codex: Space Marines, not Codex: Space Wolves.

Wolf Scouts would be in the Space Wolf supplement if they're still a thing.

But holy gak that Vet Intercessor Sergeant Wargear description...

"If the Sergeant has this, but not that, then he can have this thing, that thing or this other thing. But if he has that, but not this, he can have that, this and the other thing. If he has both this and that though, he can have the other thing, but not that."

Just do a fething Wargear list GW. It's not hard.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But holy gak that Vet Intercessor Sergeant Wargear description...

"If the Sergeant has this, but not that, then he can have this thing, that thing or this other thing. But if he has that, but not this, he can have that, this and the other thing. If he has both this and that though, he can have the other thing, but not that."

Just do a fething Wargear list GW. It's not hard.

Agreed. I love primaris marines, but GW's rigid requirement that the only wargear options be the official models is EXHAUSTING. The Primaris Captain is the worst, IMHO. Just let them have weapon options already.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But holy gak that Vet Intercessor Sergeant Wargear description...

"If the Sergeant has this, but not that, then he can have this thing, that thing or this other thing. But if he has that, but not this, he can have that, this and the other thing. If he has both this and that though, he can have the other thing, but not that."

Just do a fething Wargear list GW. It's not hard.

It follows on from the last Sisters dex with the Canoness - VERY specific options.

The thing I find most strange about it is that they've decided to use the two worst options:

either the poxy 'this that this not that or this'
AND
entirely separate datasheets for one or two changes.

yet not just opt to do a simple table or a wargear list.

But at the same time they've learned how to format the points section for readability and usability and organize and color-code strats.

Someone on the editing team is clearly letting the side down, because most of the book is a definite improvement when it comes to user access.

 Ghaz wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Honestly, a bit surprised the Heavy Destroyer had two gun options; same with the ATV. The floaty bit is a bit odd, but if the Lokhurst lord ends up with good rules, it looks easy enough to swap out the body with something to convert one up.

We've seen both weapons for the Heavy Destroyer in previews from GW for almost the last month.

Huh. I only noticed the one

 Mr Morden wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But holy gak that Vet Intercessor Sergeant Wargear description...

"If the Sergeant has this, but not that, then he can have this thing, that thing or this other thing. But if he has that, but not this, he can have that, this and the other thing. If he has both this and that though, he can have the other thing, but not that."

Just do a fething Wargear list GW. It's not hard.

It follows on from the last Sisters dex with the Canoness - VERY specific options.

It’s just giving the segeants the same options as the non vet versions, but has to be extra wordy because of vet serges being able to have two different default loadouts.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But holy gak that Vet Intercessor Sergeant Wargear description...

"If the Sergeant has this, but not that, then he can have this thing, that thing or this other thing. But if he has that, but not this, he can have that, this and the other thing. If he has both this and that though, he can have the other thing, but not that."

Just do a fething Wargear list GW. It's not hard.

Well list can't be done so that it allows say plasma　pistol and thunder hammer if there is no such model. How would you do such a list?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Super Ready wrote:
I've realised from the list of restricted units that Space Wolves can now take "normal" Scouts. Something tells me that separate, veteran Wolf Scouts are no longer a thing in rules terms, even if they're still there in lore...

This is Codex: Space Marines, not Codex: Space Wolves.
Wolf Scouts would be in the Space Wolf supplement if they're still a thing.

Oh, I understand that. But I was kind of expecting them not to be able to take normal Scouts at all yet.
If Wolf Scouts end up arriving in the supplement? Then they'll be able to take two kinds of Scouts, which breaks their fluff. I don't see it happening.

50 minutes till the salamanders vs necrons game. I dont have much hope for the crons for a couple reasons. 1: Marines. 2: One of the better chapters. 3: Necrons are so different now and so many new units to try though I doubt they'll have the new units

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFP9V5xeIEg