Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion

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**AduroT**

PopGoesTheMonkey.com makes a couple flavors of wolf skull Reiver helms for those wanting some.

Spoiler:

**JWBS**

Kanluwen wrote:
JWBS wrote:
McNeil was indeed a mistake.

Questionable list there. Lukas the Trickster is prominent, but Ragnar is bordering on obscure. Sure.

It's like you're just spoiling for a fight.

Maybe. But you seem to be unusually whiny and antagonistic in this thread, and also quite wrong, and I'm apparently feeling contentious too, leading to this

Nowhere have I said Ragnar is "obscure".

Hyperbole from me.

It's funny though that apparently it's super, super demandy to have wanted something special for Raven Guard yet Wolf players are complaining that they didn't get a "new kit" while they did get a new unit.

The SW complaints are in the mode of "I find that very lame" though, whereas your posts since this article dropped have been leaning more towards "feth GW and feth every marine that's not Ravenguard and honestly JUST feth THEM"

**Ancible**

lord_blackfang wrote:
I see Reivers were such a massive success that we are now getting variant versions taking up shelf space!

Combat Patrol just sounds like a sneaky way to raise prices on Start Collecting again.

The optimist might say that Combat Patrols sound like a sneaky way to offer a legal detachment now.

Space Wolf fans complaining about the new unit are really bumming us all out. You guys get what everyone wants and you can't even be happy about it. Sound more like whining terriers than wolves.

**Gadzilla666**

Kanluwen wrote:
Deathwatch and Space Wolves incoming

I'm kinda livid right now in that frigging Space Wolves are getting a Phobos specialty unit before frigging Raven Guard do.

Also Forge World Compendium, Outriders, Ghazghkull and Ragnar all are coming out too. New "Combat Patrol" boxes too.

So am I allowed to talk about the Compendium now Kan?

**H.B.M.C.**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
So am I allowed to talk about the Compendium now Kan?

No this thread's about why Raven Guard aren't getting attention.

**BorderCountess**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Deathwatch and Space Wolves incoming

I'm kinda livid right now in that frigging Space Wolves are getting a Phobos specialty unit before frigging Raven Guard do.

Also Forge World Compendium, Outriders, Ghazghkull and Ragnar all are coming out too. New "Combat Patrol" boxes too.

So am I allowed to talk about the Compendium now Kan?

Anything to distract us from Kan. I've got him on ignore, but everyone else keeps quoting him.

**Kanluwen**

bullyboy wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:

Once again though, try reading. Bullyboy's comment:

If there was a Phobos jump unit in existence, then Raven Guard could have got a new bodyguard unit for shrike....but that doesn't exist.

Upon the release of Marneus Calgar and his two bodyguards? We had zero Power Sword and Shield wielding Primaris. Those two models were literally made to accompany Calgar only.

Yet for some reason it's "unacceptable" to have expected similar treatment for the only other fricking Chapter Master to get a new model in recent memory?

No, you were pissed that SW got a new "unit" even though Raven Guard didn't get one. The counterpoint being presented is that the unit maybe new, but it's not a new kit produced for the SW...it already exists and is just getting a new package. It has been shown why Wolves instead of Guard got this new unit, but you are still pissed. Phobos JP troops would have to be an entirely new kit, one does not currently exist. You can use vanvets to make a bodyguard now if you want, but don't get upset about Wolves getting a new unit when it's really just a Primaris replacement for their old unique scout unit (which is pretty much the same as every codex one now).

By all means get pissed about a unique Ultra bodyguard unit, but this SW hill you chose to die on seems odd indeed.

Because as you mentioned it's not a new kit produced for the SW. It is a new unit however, which is the point that seemingly is getting ignored.

Again though, Phobos JP troops don't have to exist in order for them to have been released as a bodyguard for Shrike. Why? Because they would have been in the box with him just like Calgar got his bodyguard unit in the box with him.

**H.B.M.C.**

I kinda like this thread, and how it's serving as the central location for 40k news.

Perhaps, Kan, for the benefit of everyone else, you could take your Raven Guard Ramblings somewhere else so we can avoid this one getting locked?

**Kanluwen**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Deathwatch and Space Wolves incoming

I'm kinda livid right now in that frigging Space Wolves are getting a Phobos specialty unit before frigging Raven Guard do.

Also Forge World Compendium, Outriders, Ghazghkull and Ragnar all are coming out too. New "Combat Patrol" boxes too.

So am I allowed to talk about the Compendium now Kan?

You don't need my permission to do so. It just got irritating that every preview weekend we had going, you would inevitably be clamoring over the lack of news for it.
We knew it was coming. We never had a firm date for it, just "it's coming!".

It does make me wonder what happened to the full on books that they previewed last year though.

If it makes you feel any better, I'm all ranted out now about the Phobos thing. It's just extremely irritating that they talk and talk and talk it up in the Raven Guard book and now Space Wolves get the first 'named' Space Wolf unit? It's like the first named Harlequin unit being a Sisters of Battle unit--bizarre.

**Justyn**

Space Wolf fans complaining about the new unit are really bumming us all out. You guys get what everyone wants and you can't even be happy about it. Sound more like whining terriers than wolves.

The only one complaining is Kan about Raven Guard not getting this 'new' unit. SW players are just saying its Reivers with the SW Primaris Upgrade sprue, nothing to get excited about one way or the other. If the new unit stats come out and they completely suck, or are completely OP then its time to complain. Complaining about GW trying to stick SW players with their obviously over manufactured Reiver kits is pretty dumb.

**kodos**

I guess we are going to see more rant if the Wolves get their old Behind Enemy Lines back and make Primaries their prime Ambush unit (well question is if we see Primaris Sky-Claws)

**Galas**

So we can expect a price increase. With how good were SC! to get soooo many people in the game. From 65€ to 80€ and now I'll be suprised if this boxes cost less than 100€

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**H.B.M.C.**

Pretty much as expected.

And the Deathwatch box doesn't even come with any minis from the Deathwatch kit.

**Justyn**

And the Deathwatch box doesn't even come with any minis from the Deathwatch kit.

I would have expected that as they are not Primaris. I might have expected a Primaris Artemis though.

**DivineVisitor**

Galas wrote:
So we can expect a price increase. With how good were SC! to get soooo many people in the game. From 65€ to 80€ and now I'll be suprised if this boxes cost less than 100€

Spoiler:

I believe in the integrity of Games Workshop.
To their shareholders.

**BrianDavion**

regarding rhe hounds I am... holding my tongue on them my HOPE is that there guys will have some sort of psyker protection aura. if so there'll at least be a niche for em, put em with carbines and use em to protect important stuff

**Kanluwen**

Justyn wrote:
Space Wolf fans complaining about the new unit are really bumming us all out. You guys get what everyone wants and you can't even be happy about it. Sound more like whining terriers than wolves.

The only one complaining is Kan about Raven Guard not getting this 'new' unit. SW players are just saying its Reivers with the SW Primaris Upgrade sprue, nothing to get excited about one way or the other. If the new unit stats come out and they completely suck, or are completely OP then its time to complain. Complaining about GW trying to stick SW players with their obviously over manufactured Reiver kits is pretty dumb.

Yeah, no. My complaint is that in an already packed supplement, they made an effort to add a 'new' Primaris unit...yet no such effort was made for the supplements that basically consist of a single character and relics.

My personal fixation with Raven Guard is because they missed a ridiculously easy opportunity to bump up Reiver sales, given that they also held back the Infiltrator/Incursor kits last year to release with Imperial Fists of all things.

**Midnightdeathblade**

Welp, I need 6 Blood Angels Start Collecting for my 30K BA. I better get on that quick before its gone forever, like real quick since BA are next yes? I despise this company sometimes.

Oh! Guess whats been out of stock for like three weeks!

**Mr_Rose**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
WarCom article. Also Forge World Compendium, Outriders, Ghazghkull and Ragnar all are coming out too. New "Combat Patrol" boxes too.

So am I allowed to talk about the Compendium now Kan?

Odds that the Compendium comes with an unlock code for the app?
Zero, or less than zero?

**Tiberius501**

In the article they say it comes with a code.

**Sasori**

Mr_Rose wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
WarCom article. Also Forge World Compendium, Outriders, Ghazghkull and Ragnar all are coming out too. New "Combat Patrol" boxes too.

So am I allowed to talk about the Compendium now Kan?

Odds that the Compendium comes with an unlock code for the app?
Zero, or less than zero?

It says it comes with an unlock code in the article.

**Tiberius501**

I’m curious if the blood angels will get a new unit entry in their supplement or if Primaris DC are theirs.

And I wonder if they’ll try and give us Reivers in our new Combat Patrol box. I will certainly miss Start Collecting! boxes and their awesome value. It’s a shame they feel the need to up the prices again on everything, I really want to enjoy 40K but they just keep making it harder.

I mean, no stand alone, cheap PDF for codexes anymore, and now Start Collecting!s are getting changed to a more expensive alternative, just to make sure new players don’t have any cheap way of getting in anymore.

Anyway, I don’t mean to be a downer, those new SW dice look nice, I hope BAngels get some new ones too.

**bullyboy**

Kanluwen wrote:
Justyn wrote:
Space Wolf fans complaining about the new unit are really bumming us all out. You guys get what everyone wants and you can't even be happy about it. Sound more like whining terriers than wolves.

The only one complaining is Kan about Raven Guard not getting this 'new' unit. SW players are just saying its Reivers with the SW Primaris Upgrade sprue, nothing to get excited about one way or the other. If the new unit stats come out and they completely suck, or are completely OP then its time to complain. Complaining about GW trying to stick SW players with their obviously over manufactured Reiver kits is pretty dumb.

Yeah, no. My complaint is that in an already packed supplement, they made an effort to add a 'new' Primaris unit...yet no such effort was made for the supplements that basically consist of a single character and relics.

My personal fixation with Raven Guard is because they missed a ridiculously easy opportunity to bump up Reiver sales, given that they also held back the Infiltrator/Incursor kits last year to release with Imperial Fists of all things.

But Ravenguard don't exactly need super Reivers, they fit better for the Wolves as the primaris replacement for thier elite scouts. RG "need" a phobos jump unit with claws as a bodyguard for Shrike. Since GW deemed not to make that kit right now (if ever), why settle for a lesser specific "unit"? Now, when they do get around to doing jump assault troops for Primaris, it will be a perfect time to add these for ravenguard. However, I would not expect them to be Phobos.

**Gadzilla666**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
So am I allowed to talk about the Compendium now Kan?
No this thread's about why Raven Guard aren't getting attention.

Eh, I can understand his frustration. It's like if they made a character who was "The Lord of the Raptors" and he was Black Legion instead of Night Lords.

Anyway, think they'll do any previews for the rules in the Compendium this week? Just giving Dreadclaws and the Kharibdis the loyalist drop pod rules would probably have csm players clamoring for the book.

**H.B.M.C.**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
Anyway, think they'll do any previews for the rules in the Compendium this week? Just giving Dreadclaws and the Kharibdis the loyalist drop pod rules would probably have csm players clamoring for the book.

Maybe they'll give us a big downloadable "Legends" document for all the things that didn't make the cut.

**Gadzilla666**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
Anyway, think they'll do any previews for the rules in the Compendium this week? Just giving Dreadclaws and the Kharibdis the loyalist drop pod rules would probably have csm players clamoring for the book.
Maybe they'll give us a big downloadable "Legends" document for all the things that didn't make the cut.

That would be nice. Especially if they fixed some of the R&H stuff in it.

**Slayer-Fan123**

bullyboy wrote:
It's Kan just being Kan, kinda like him saying adamantly that DW would not get Phobos kill teams...uh-huh.

SW had elite scouts for the longest time, therefore if any army is going to get an elite Reiver unit...it would be Space Wolves, not Raven Guard.
Would I like a Phobos jump unit to accompany Shrike as a bodyguard? Sure, but there is no kit for that, just as there is no new Reiver kit for the Wolves. Besides, assault intercessors with JPs and claws work great as a VanVet guard for Shrike.

The problem with Wolf Scouts is they really weren't elite units. They simply changed how their Infiltrate worked and they got some Special Weapons. They didn't have Vet stats for Pete's sake.

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Gadzilla666 wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
So am I allowed to talk about the Compendium now Kan?
No this thread's about why Raven Guard aren't getting attention.

Eh, I can understand his frustration. It's like if they made a character who was "The Lord of the Raptors" and he was Black Legion instead of Night Lords.

Anyway, think they'll do any previews for the rules in the Compendium this week? Just giving Dreadclaws and the Kharibdis the loyalist drop pod rules would probably have csm players clamoring for the book.

The real frustration with that stupid Raptor character was that he couldn't even use his fething stupid Spear in fething melee for a fething multi damage weapon because feth GW.

**bullyboy**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
bullyboy wrote:
It's Kan just being Kan, kinda like him saying adamantly that DW would not get Phobos kill teams...uh-huh.

SW had elite scouts for the longest time, therefore if any army is going to get an elite Reiver unit...it would be Space Wolves, not Raven Guard.
Would I like a Phobos jump unit to accompany Shrike as a bodyguard? Sure, but there is no kit for that, just as there is no new Reiver kit for the Wolves. Besides, assault intercessors with JPs and claws work great as a VanVet guard for Shrike.

The problem with Wolf Scouts is they really weren't elite units. They simply changed how their Infiltrate worked and they got some Special Weapons. They didn't have Vet stats for Pete's sake.

But they were different to any other scout unit in marine armies and occupied the Elite slot. It's obvious that this new unit is the primaris equivalent of that classic, even if it functions differently.
It's not my job to say whether or not it was necessary, but it certainly fits better than a specific reiver unit for Raven Guard.

**Sasori**

The Void Dragon, Silent King and Doomstalker have joined the Lokhust Heavies and Hexmark at being sold out on the US site.

I'm wondering how much is due to limited manufacturing and how much is due to demand.

**H.B.M.C.**

Given that Oz still hasn't got the Biker Chaplain, the Hexmark Destroyer or the new Monolith, I'd say it's a supply issue.