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Knew we were going to lose Kutlakh and Tolhok since they didn't have models... Still stings though.

Was really hoping for some Maynarkh Dynasty rules though, that's a shame.

I cannot understand why GW keeps changing boxes styles each 6 months... I mean... they re-released a ton of stuff in a new box for 8th just to change again mid 8th and now again in 9th?

Don't they know this stuff ahead of time or are just improvising on the march?

 Galas wrote:
I cannot understand why GW keeps changing boxes styles each 6 months... I mean... they re-released a ton of stuff in a new box for 8th just to change again mid 8th and now again in 9th?

Don't they know this stuff ahead of time or are just improvising on the march?

I don't remember seeing a mid-8th change, but it's really all about the branding. I think they felt the decision to change given the new 40k banner and approach to instructions/condensed data sheets was worth the headache of printing a bit more cardboard.

Bray’arth Ashmantle is on the FW list! Huzzah!

Ancible wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I cannot understand why GW keeps changing boxes styles each 6 months... I mean... they re-released a ton of stuff in a new box for 8th just to change again mid 8th and now again in 9th?

Don't they know this stuff ahead of time or are just improvising on the march?

I don't remember seeing a mid-8th change, but it's really all about the branding. I think they felt the decision to change given the new 40k banner and approach to instructions/condensed data sheets was worth the headache of printing a bit more cardboard.

Sometimes its just about art design or marketing people (or committees) ticking a box on 'produce something tangible for the company' for personnel evaluations.

In this case it was adopted, for whatever reason.

 Dysartes wrote:
Is the GK Land Raider Banisher new? I don't remember seeing it before.

Probably a new name for the special FW GK Redeemer variant: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Grey-Knights-Land-Raider-Redeemer

 Redemption wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Is the GK Land Raider Banisher new? I don't remember seeing it before.

Probably a new name for the special FW GK Redeemer variant: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Grey-Knights-Land-Raider-Redeemer

I'll have to check my 8th ed FW Marine Index when I finish work, see if the Banisher was a thing then.

Ancible wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I cannot understand why GW keeps changing boxes styles each 6 months... I mean... they re-released a ton of stuff in a new box for 8th just to change again mid 8th and now again in 9th?

Don't they know this stuff ahead of time or are just improvising on the march?

I don't remember seeing a mid-8th change, but it's really all about the branding. I think they felt the decision to change given the new 40k banner and approach to instructions/condensed data sheets was worth the headache of printing a bit more cardboard.

The thing is... they never finish a box rebranding before starting the next one

 Dysartes wrote:

 Redemption wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Is the GK Land Raider Banisher new? I don't remember seeing it before.

Probably a new name for the special FW GK Redeemer variant: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Grey-Knights-Land-Raider-Redeemer

I'll have to check my 8th ed FW Marine Index when I finish work, see if the Banisher was a thing then.

The GK land raider redeemer with psycannons has been around rules wise, banisher name is new

 Galas wrote:

Ancible wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I cannot understand why GW keeps changing boxes styles each 6 months... I mean... they re-released a ton of stuff in a new box for 8th just to change again mid 8th and now again in 9th?

Don't they know this stuff ahead of time or are just improvising on the march?

I don't remember seeing a mid-8th change, but it's really all about the branding. I think they felt the decision to change given the new 40k banner and approach to instructions/condensed data sheets was worth the headache of printing a bit more cardboard.

The thing is... they never finish a box rebranding before starting the next one

Completing something under the same design paradigm has never been GW's strong suit.

Guess incomplete reboxings fit right in...

 Geifer wrote:
Guess incomplete reboxings fit right in...

You know, I am puzzled now why they started killing SC with DW/SW. Why not start with Space Marines? Their SC is really old and ugly, and you'd think they would ride on hype generated by Codex release to push a few of them. And why leave old SW SC alive? You'd think they would sell more of newoverpricedbox if they removed alternative, and if anything, SW squat box is one of the few uglier and older than SM ones.

I am also puzzled why they made Primaris SW SC only to squt it what, half a year later? That has to be some new record. Why even bother?

 Kanluwen wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
RIP Lias and Narvaez

As much as I loved Lias, I'm fine with him being gone.

I'm not since I'm not gonna use that particular model for literally anything else. Narvaez is just as obnoxious too since I gave him a Shotgun to represent his weapon and that just won't work for anything else either. They removed a bunch of other stuff because NO MODEL NO RULES is apparently a thing for FW now. Thanks GW rules team. Super stellar work.

 Irbis wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Guess incomplete reboxings fit right in...

You know, I am puzzled now why they started killing SC with DW/SW. Why not start with Space Marines? Their SC is really old and ugly, and you'd think they would ride on hype generated by Codex release to push a few of them. And why leave old SW SC alive? You'd think they would sell more of newoverpricedbox if they removed alternative, and if anything, SW squat box is one of the few uglier and older than SM ones.

I am also puzzled why they made Primaris SW SC only to squt it what, half a year later? That has to be some new record. Why even bother?

Not that I actually know GW's reasons, but if I had to guess:

They have large stock levels for those old Marine boxes they keep selling and enough confidence that they'll sell through that they won't just scrap them. Because realistically those old Marines won't sell anymore outside of discount bundles to any appreciable degree.

Old Space Wolves have significant rules support and since GW doesn't want to keep rules for models they no longer sell, and they don't feel confident to scrap 90% of the Space Wolves rules, they keep the old Space Wolves kits around, and preferably in a shape that sells.

Space Wolves start collecting may have simply been the last box to be greenlit before the new boxes were decided on, with Space Marines being released too early to make a new style box for after that decision and Space Wolves and Deathwatch having the honor instead. GW's production is an ongoing process and there has to be a cutoff point somewhere.

 Irbis wrote:


I am also puzzled why they made Primaris SW SC only to squt it what, half a year later? That has to be some new record. Why even bother?

In 6 month new kit has sold most of it's life time expectancy. If sc not much different no real loss

tneva82 wrote:

 Irbis wrote:


I am also puzzled why they made Primaris SW SC only to squt it what, half a year later? That has to be some new record. Why even bother?

In 6 month new kit has sold most of it's life time expectancy. If sc not much different no real loss

While I obviously have no hard data to back this up, I´d have to imagine that of all the kits they have put out the SC series might be the ones with the most tail sales. The quality of what you get tends to vary a bit between the factions but in most cases they are an ideal and affordable way to start an army. These new boxes however, I dunno 110 euros is steep especially since you would still realistically need at the very least a codex and probably some paints too.

Am I reading that price list correctly? 45 Euros for the easy to build, no options outrider squad? Eeesh.

Mr Insomniac wrote:
Am I reading that price list correctly? 45 Euros for the easy to build, no options outrider squad? Eeesh.

Same story as the Skorpekh's.

 Bosskelot wrote:

Mr Insomniac wrote:
Am I reading that price list correctly? 45 Euros for the easy to build, no options outrider squad? Eeesh.

Same story as the Skorpekh's.

The Skorpekh at least have the option to swap the different torsos between the sets of legs, giving them a little variation, even if some of the non-default poses are kinda goofy. Oh and you can have more than three in a squad.

With the bikes the closest you get to pose variation without resorting to clippers and saws is the angle the guys holding weapons have their arms sticking out at.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Bosskelot wrote:

Mr Insomniac wrote:
Am I reading that price list correctly? 45 Euros for the easy to build, no options outrider squad? Eeesh.

Same story as the Skorpekh's.

The Skorpekh at least have the option to swap the different torsos between the sets of legs, giving them a little variation, even if some of the non-default poses are kinda goofy. Oh and you can have more than three in a squad.

With the bikes the closest you get to pose variation without resorting to clippers and saws is the angle the guys holding weapons have their arms sticking out at.

You can do a bit more than that. Swap weapons and heads with assault intercessor bits from the same box. Its not hard to take things off at the shoulder and cover the joins with a new pauldron.

Glad I got them from eBay for 40 bucks.

 Irbis wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Guess incomplete reboxings fit right in...

You know, I am puzzled now why they started killing SC with DW/SW. Why not start with Space Marines? Their SC is really old and ugly, and you'd think they would ride on hype generated by Codex release to push a few of them. And why leave old SW SC alive? You'd think they would sell more of newoverpricedbox if they removed alternative, and if anything, SW squat box is one of the few uglier and older than SM ones.

I am also puzzled why they made Primaris SW SC only to squt it what, half a year later? That has to be some new record. Why even bother?

Because nothing primaris is built to last. They're the Iphone 11 of space mar-sorry, Iphone 12 now, it's Iphone 12 for the metaphor.

You're not going to get any kind of long term rules support buying into primaris. You'll only get splash release to get excited and buy product. Sad your SW special character got squatted? Don't be, just get excited for and buy New Product Fangs of Morkai! Will it make it to the next codex? Hell naw, but the next one will have New Product To Buy!

Now that's new level. People have been predicting old marines being squatted yet hasn't happened and already people are claiming primaris units are getting squatted when none so far has?

(btw discount boxes changing isn'" same as primaris unit losing support)

And units going back and forth in power is standard for gw. Aggressors god in 8e, 9e nerfed. 10e could be arch-gods. Gw keeps changing what's good and bad all the time. Unit getting nerfed doesn't mean it sucks forever. Yesterday's junk is tomorrow's cheese

I didn’t really say anything with the pushfit releases even though that means poor poseability for multiple extra-heavy destroyers and doomstalkers, but this week, I definitely have some complaints.

1: The only options on the void dragon are the face. I’d let that slide because it’s a character model, but still part of the trend so it gets a note here.

2: The only options in the monolith are the guns and whether you want a warrior emerging from them eternity gate. In addition, the model is smaller than the old monolith despite the box it comes in being double sized and priced as a superheavy. It’s also layered up in a way that looks a nightmare to paint and makes it look more fragile than the old ominous floating pyramid did. The mandatory single pose canoptek passenger has no rules representation, nor does the fact that the visible interior of the vehicle is about more 40% blackstone. There’s some pros to this model and it should look pretty good with a good paint job, but the cons are more than I’d expect.

3: This is the biggest and most notable one: Ophydians have no spare parts whatsoever, barring three spare heads. (One of which is missing a lower jaw and thus kind useless unless you really want to model a unit with sophisticated self repair battle damaged) I was hoping for some parts that would help me convert the pushfit Skorpekhs into more poses, but I was shocked to discover that an elite unit released in 2020 with a unit size of 6 only comes with three poses and no alternative compotents. Instead of 12 hard to repose destroyers, I now have 24.

robbienw wrote:
The Combat Patrol boxes appear to be stuffed full of initial release primaris stuff that GW over produced and nobody wants to buy anymore

eh not really, most of the units in those boxes are pretty solid ones that Marines will have a use for, Space Wolves have the 5 man reiver/Hounds of Morkai squad and yeah no one wants reivers, but given they're eistablishing those guys as the space wolves "thing" and for all we know Hounds are going to end up being some god tier unit that is a staple of every space wolf list (I doubt it but you never know)

The whole "GW uses bundle boxes to sell overstocked kits" I think is almost like a meme. I don't think people appreciate that GW doesn't sit there with vast amounts of stock just hanging around. Asides this year alone we stripped GW of most of their stock of everything and then continued to keep buying even when GW got some of their factory and warehouse setup once more.

If anything I'd wager GW's regular stocks are very much on the short end not the high end right now.

Besides opening, unpacking and repacking stock takes time and money. When GW's stock is going to sell unless they pull a kit from sale; why pay staff to work harder to unbox and rebox when they can just keep the existing stock; cast more; pack more and have the older stock sit till it gets sold.

Besides opening, unpacking and repacking stock takes time and money. When GW's stock is going to sell unless they pull a kit from sale; why pay staff to work harder to unbox and rebox when they can just keep the existing stock; cast more; pack more and have the older stock sit till it gets sold.

Then there is even less reason for the stupid named Reivers.

 Overread wrote:
The whole "GW uses bundle boxes to sell overstocked kits" I think is almost like a meme. I don't think people appreciate that GW doesn't sit there with vast amounts of stock just hanging around. Asides this year alone we stripped GW of most of their stock of everything and then continued to keep buying even when GW got some of their factory and warehouse setup once more.

If anything I'd wager GW's regular stocks are very much on the short end not the high end right now.

Besides opening, unpacking and repacking stock takes time and money. When GW's stock is going to sell unless they pull a kit from sale; why pay staff to work harder to unbox and rebox when they can just keep the existing stock; cast more; pack more and have the older stock sit till it gets sold.

I mean intercessors in the box are explainable by the fact that they're pretty much the iconic troop of space marines. (before anyone interjects with "tactical marines" I'm gonna note GW clearly wants intercessors to be the new "face man" of the marine line. weather you think it or not GW has decided they're the "iconic troop" now)

changemod wrote:
I didn’t really say anything with the pushfit releases even though that means poor poseability for multiple extra-heavy destroyers and doomstalkers, but this week, I definitely have some complaints.

1: The only options on the void dragon are the face. I’d let that slide because it’s a character model, but still part of the trend so it gets a note here.

2: The only options in the monolith are the guns and whether you want a warrior emerging from them eternity gate. In addition, the model is smaller than the old monolith despite the box it comes in being double sized and priced as a superheavy. It’s also layered up in a way that looks a nightmare to paint and makes it look more fragile than the old ominous floating pyramid did. The mandatory single pose canoptek passenger has no rules representation, nor does the fact that the visible interior of the vehicle is about more 40% blackstone. There’s some pros to this model and it should look pretty good with a good paint job, but the cons are more than I’d expect.

3: This is the biggest and most notable one: Ophydians have no spare parts whatsoever, barring three spare heads. (One of which is missing a lower jaw and thus kind useless unless you really want to model a unit with sophisticated self repair battle damaged) I was hoping for some parts that would help me convert the pushfit Skorpekhs into more poses, but I was shocked to discover that an elite unit released in 2020 with a unit size of 6 only comes with three poses and no alternative compotents. Instead of 12 hard to repose destroyers, I now have 24.

I'm a little surprised by the Ophydians, but not the other two. The new monolith looked like a pain in pictures, just a completely different kind of pain from the old one.

changemod wrote:
In addition, the model is smaller than the old monolith despite the box it comes in being double sized and priced as a superheavy.

Wait, what?

Do we have comparison pics?

From the shots I've seen it is about the same rough size. That said its clearly way more sprue parts because its a far more complex model. The old one is basically four flat sheets of plastic with some detail on the top; the new one has a much chunkier and more layered design for the lower half that likely adds a few more sprue to the setup.

So yes its not so much that its a bigger kit, but a more complex and detailed on.