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i'd be really surprised if such boxes would come to an about equal PL/pts level would be at the same pricepoint...

Space Wolf rules preview - including the Hounds of Morkai datasheet.

Yeah, they are ho hum maybe if they had better than pistols and knives. Also nerfing the crap out of Wolf Priests was not really needed. The Frost Weapon relic is a slightly better master crafted so that isn't bad. I like that the Saga's seem to be different and easier to trigger. And the Black Death is a damage 1 weapon you might actually take. Maybe, probably not.

So now one can only include a single frost weapon in their army? Seems kinda dumb. The obvious choice is to put it on twin lightning claws for a ton of attacks.

Hey, another anti-psyker unit! Just what the game needs! Abhor schabhor, psykers are still dominating everyth....oh wait. Hmm.

Oh well. Dead unit unless the meta changes, nobody's going to take a unit that's total, complete junk against the majority of armies.

So now one can only include a single frost weapon in their army? Seems kinda dumb. The obvious choice is to put it on twin lightning claws for a ton of attacks.

I can see arguments for the Power Sword, it has better AP. But yes, my first thought was claws as well.


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Oh well. Dead unit unless the meta changes, nobody's going to take a unit that's total, complete junk against the majority of armies.

I will continue to maintain that this is an attempt to foist off poor selling models on those dumb SW players.

yukishiro1 wrote:
Hey, another anti-psyker unit! Just what the game needs! Abhor schabhor, psykers are still dominating everyth....oh wait. Hmm.

Oh well. Dead unit unless the meta changes, nobody's going to take a unit that's total, complete junk against the majority of armies.

You.....you are aware there’s a fair chunk of the player base to whom such things as the meta aren’t really a massive consideration?

You.....you are aware there’s a fair chunk of the player base to whom such things as the meta aren’t really a massive consideration?

But as a fluffy player, who only reads about meta, who also plays SW, I think this unit is a travesty. Phobos guys don't fit SW aesthetically imo. Their special rules are neat. But not enough to get me to play Reivers, even if I converted non-phobos guys to represent them. Its a waste of rules development time. I don't see any reason other than the one I have stated to make the unit in the first place. Give special Phobos units to Raven Guard they seem to want them.

We're all competitors here man. Top level competitors. I don't even paint my minis. I'm just in this to dominate the competition in this deep, complex, finely balanced cognitive challenge that is 40K.

JWBS wrote:
We're all competitors here man. Top level competitors. I don't even paint my minis. I'm just in this to dominate the competition in this deep, complex, finely balanced cognitive challenge that is 40K.

...the needle in my sarcasm detector just got bent again. I only just got the damned thing fixed!

yukishiro1 wrote:
Hey, another anti-psyker unit! Just what the game needs! Abhor schabhor, psykers are still dominating everyth....oh wait. Hmm.

Oh well. Dead unit unless the meta changes, nobody's going to take a unit that's total, complete junk against the majority of armies.

It sure does seem like GW was anticipating some super Psyker armies to dominate with how much they've stacked new units and odds against them.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So now one can only include a single frost weapon in their army? Seems kinda dumb. The obvious choice is to put it on twin lightning claws for a ton of attacks.

Seems great to me. It seems odd that they'd wait this long to realize they've got way too many super-special-variant-subtype weapons running around, but any cleaning up of the clutter helps.

Answer is much more simple, Thousand Sons are the Arch Enemy of Wolves, and every Thousand Sons is a Psyker
hence why Wolves need much more anti-psyker units so that TS have no chance fighting them

who cares if Wolves would play against any other faction, that is not fluffy and no one plays battles that are not according to the background

Meh. I’ve got an unassembled reiver sprue from a boxed set, and a Primaris upgrade sprue. Might as well make some of these guys - definitely not buying the box for them though.

JWBS wrote:
We're all competitors here man. Top level competitors. I don't even paint my minis. I'm just in this to dominate the competition in this deep, complex, finely balanced cognitive challenge that is 40K.

Well technically, if you truly want to dominate the competition you are forced to paint your minis now but I digress.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
Hey, another anti-psyker unit! Just what the game needs! Abhor schabhor, psykers are still dominating everyth....oh wait. Hmm.

Oh well. Dead unit unless the meta changes, nobody's going to take a unit that's total, complete junk against the majority of armies.

You.....you are aware there’s a fair chunk of the player base to whom such things as the meta aren’t really a massive consideration?

The fact that some people might want to use a terrible unit is just fine and more power to them, but it doesn't mean the unit isn't terrible.

Voss wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So now one can only include a single frost weapon in their army? Seems kinda dumb. The obvious choice is to put it on twin lightning claws for a ton of attacks.

Seems great to me. It seems odd that they'd wait this long to realize they've got way too many super-special-variant-subtype weapons running around, but any cleaning up of the clutter helps.

It allows you to give Primaris stuff Frost weapons, which is neat. I don't like that an army is limited to only one Frost weapon now is all.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So now one can only include a single frost weapon in their army? Seems kinda dumb. The obvious choice is to put it on twin lightning claws for a ton of attacks.

Look on the bright side: They didn't turn Frost weapons into a Strat.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So now one can only include a single frost weapon in their army? Seems kinda dumb. The obvious choice is to put it on twin lightning claws for a ton of attacks.

Look on the bright side: They didn't turn Frost weapons into a Strat.

This is true. Though it might as well be since there are likely better relics to chose from, making the strat for multiple relics all but necessary. I will miss being able to take multiple frost weapons in a list. Oh well. One can now kitbash a frost axe on that SW Lieutenant.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Voss wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So now one can only include a single frost weapon in their army? Seems kinda dumb. The obvious choice is to put it on twin lightning claws for a ton of attacks.

Seems great to me. It seems odd that they'd wait this long to realize they've got way too many super-special-variant-subtype weapons running around, but any cleaning up of the clutter helps.

It allows you to give Primaris stuff Frost weapons, which is neat. I don't like that an army is limited to only one Frost weapon now is all.

I get that.
I'm just saying that its good that the SW armory isn't 10 entries of 'Frost <weapon type>,' because that's pointless bloat.

I half expected the Hounds to have 'special null bolt pistols' and 'ice knives' to add to the pile of special weapons.

You are asumming that there won't be another frost weapon when this is the same as the "master crafted" b-tier relic but in SW form, and you have still a ton of master crafted weapons in many units profiles.

 kodos wrote:
Answer is much more simple, Thousand Sons are the Arch Enemy of Wolves, and every Thousand Sons is a Psyker
hence why Wolves need much more anti-psyker units so that TS have no chance fighting them

who cares if Wolves would play against any other faction, that is not fluffy and no one plays battles that are not according to the background

if a 1K player is now suddenly unable to win against space wolves because of that one unit then I'd argue that unit really isn't what the problem is

BrianDavion wrote:

 kodos wrote:
Answer is much more simple, Thousand Sons are the Arch Enemy of Wolves, and every Thousand Sons is a Psyker
hence why Wolves need much more anti-psyker units so that TS have no chance fighting them

who cares if Wolves would play against any other faction, that is not fluffy and no one plays battles that are not according to the background

if a 1K player is now suddenly unable to win against space wolves because of that one unit then I'd argue that unit really isn't what the problem is

But what if he takes 30 reavers and combat squads them into 6 units and puts them into impulsors and rams them forward + DS them?

You now have like up to -6 to cast as a 1k son palyer..

I'm not saying this is what you would commonly see, but if you really wanted to toilor then thats a bad day for psyker armies...

If stacking to hit modifiers are a problem, all stacking modifiers should be a problem.

Again im not saying this like some sort of meta shattering thing and is oviously a gimmick ... But the fact it can be a thing just shows how silly it is..

 Argive wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 kodos wrote:
Answer is much more simple, Thousand Sons are the Arch Enemy of Wolves, and every Thousand Sons is a Psyker
hence why Wolves need much more anti-psyker units so that TS have no chance fighting them

who cares if Wolves would play against any other faction, that is not fluffy and no one plays battles that are not according to the background

if a 1K player is now suddenly unable to win against space wolves because of that one unit then I'd argue that unit really isn't what the problem is

But what if he takes 30 reavers and combat squads them into 6 units and puts them into impulsors and rams them forward + DS them?

You now have like up to -6 to cast as a 1k son palyer..

I'm not saying this is what you would commonly see, but if you really wanted to toilor then thats a bad day for psyker armies...

If stacking to hit modifiers are a problem, all stacking modifiers should be a problem.

Again im not saying this like some sort of meta shattering thing and is oviously a gimmick ... But the fact it can be a thing just shows how silly it is..

this is assuming it stacks, I'm inclined to say it doesn't given the SOS special ability specificly states theirs stack but the Hounds do not.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Argive wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 kodos wrote:
Answer is much more simple, Thousand Sons are the Arch Enemy of Wolves, and every Thousand Sons is a Psyker
hence why Wolves need much more anti-psyker units so that TS have no chance fighting them

who cares if Wolves would play against any other faction, that is not fluffy and no one plays battles that are not according to the background

if a 1K player is now suddenly unable to win against space wolves because of that one unit then I'd argue that unit really isn't what the problem is

But what if he takes 30 reavers and combat squads them into 6 units and puts them into impulsors and rams them forward + DS them?

You now have like up to -6 to cast as a 1k son palyer..

I'm not saying this is what you would commonly see, but if you really wanted to toilor then thats a bad day for psyker armies...

If stacking to hit modifiers are a problem, all stacking modifiers should be a problem.

Again im not saying this like some sort of meta shattering thing and is oviously a gimmick ... But the fact it can be a thing just shows how silly it is..

this is assuming it stacks, I'm inclined to say it doesn't given the SOS special ability specificly states theirs stack but the Hounds do not.

RAW doesn't say it doesn't stack so.. Who knows.. As stands under RAW I don't see why it wouldn't stack until FAQ'd otherwise.

Its kind of cool how in my head they would circle the target psyker cordoning them off while they have a seisure clawing their face off.

But I think its silly and unnecessary. Surely you just take runepriests and the relics for anti psyker stuff for characters rather than choppy stuff if you want the "fluff" of anti psyker tools... It just seems another case of having cake and eating it too. :

 Castozor wrote:

JWBS wrote:
We're all competitors here man. Top level competitors. I don't even paint my minis. I'm just in this to dominate the competition in this deep, complex, finely balanced cognitive challenge that is 40K.

Well technically, if you truly want to dominate the competition you are forced to paint your minis now but I digress.

Only if you're a total scrub that can't outscore above the tiebreaker points.

 Argive wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Argive wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 kodos wrote:
Answer is much more simple, Thousand Sons are the Arch Enemy of Wolves, and every Thousand Sons is a Psyker
hence why Wolves need much more anti-psyker units so that TS have no chance fighting them

who cares if Wolves would play against any other faction, that is not fluffy and no one plays battles that are not according to the background

if a 1K player is now suddenly unable to win against space wolves because of that one unit then I'd argue that unit really isn't what the problem is

But what if he takes 30 reavers and combat squads them into 6 units and puts them into impulsors and rams them forward + DS them?

You now have like up to -6 to cast as a 1k son palyer..

I'm not saying this is what you would commonly see, but if you really wanted to toilor then thats a bad day for psyker armies...

If stacking to hit modifiers are a problem, all stacking modifiers should be a problem.

Again im not saying this like some sort of meta shattering thing and is oviously a gimmick ... But the fact it can be a thing just shows how silly it is..

this is assuming it stacks, I'm inclined to say it doesn't given the SOS special ability specificly states theirs stack but the Hounds do not.

RAW doesn't say it doesn't stack so.. Who knows.. As stands under RAW I don't see why it wouldn't stack until FAQ'd otherwise.

Its kind of cool how in my head they would circle the target psyker cordoning them off while they have a seisure clawing their face off.

But I think its silly and unnecessary. Surely you just take runepriests and the relics for anti psyker stuff for characters rather than choppy stuff if you want the "fluff" of anti psyker tools... It just seems another case of having cake and eating it too. :

Fyi core rule says same named aura abilities don't stack.

If it was non-aura "pick unit, it suffers -1 to cast" that would stack.

So unless datasheet specifically says they stack(overriding core rules) no -6.

tneva82 wrote:

 Argive wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Argive wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 kodos wrote:
Answer is much more simple, Thousand Sons are the Arch Enemy of Wolves, and every Thousand Sons is a Psyker
hence why Wolves need much more anti-psyker units so that TS have no chance fighting them

who cares if Wolves would play against any other faction, that is not fluffy and no one plays battles that are not according to the background

if a 1K player is now suddenly unable to win against space wolves because of that one unit then I'd argue that unit really isn't what the problem is

But what if he takes 30 reavers and combat squads them into 6 units and puts them into impulsors and rams them forward + DS them?

You now have like up to -6 to cast as a 1k son palyer..

I'm not saying this is what you would commonly see, but if you really wanted to toilor then thats a bad day for psyker armies...

If stacking to hit modifiers are a problem, all stacking modifiers should be a problem.

Again im not saying this like some sort of meta shattering thing and is oviously a gimmick ... But the fact it can be a thing just shows how silly it is..

this is assuming it stacks, I'm inclined to say it doesn't given the SOS special ability specificly states theirs stack but the Hounds do not.

RAW doesn't say it doesn't stack so.. Who knows.. As stands under RAW I don't see why it wouldn't stack until FAQ'd otherwise.

Its kind of cool how in my head they would circle the target psyker cordoning them off while they have a seisure clawing their face off.

But I think its silly and unnecessary. Surely you just take runepriests and the relics for anti psyker stuff for characters rather than choppy stuff if you want the "fluff" of anti psyker tools... It just seems another case of having cake and eating it too. :

Fyi core rule says same named aura abilities don't stack.

If it was non-aura "pick unit, it suffers -1 to cast" that would stack.

So unless datasheet specifically says they stack(overriding core rules) no -6.

Ah, good point. Fair enough.

So, comparing them to SOS, (which is IMHO the only really comparable unit)


SOS has M7, W3, BS3. S3, T3, W1 A2,

Wargear wise the unit has 5 bolt guns, or 5 flamers, or 5 Greatswords (+2S, AP -3, D3 damage)

they have psyk out grenades (S2 grenades, with d3 attacks that deal a mortal wound to a psyker or deamon on a 6 to hit)


their special rules are: re-roll wounds vs Psykers

and psykic abominations: subtract 1 from psykic tests or deny the witch for enemy models within 18 inch of the sisters (this stacks to a max of -4) and they themselves can't be targeted for psykic attacks.

over all, I'd say they are VERY VERY comparable. the sisters range in price from 12-18 PPM depending on wargear.

now, I'll preface this by noting unless I was in a heavy psyker meta I'd proably not bother with EAITHER of these two units, unless I wanted some cheap bodies for my custodes. as for what's better... honestly, assuming the Hounds have a reivers points cost and GW's not asking us to pay a stupid points cost for them, reivers are the same cost as the great sword SOS.

I THIIIINK for their points the sisters hit slightly harder on average,

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