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I don't know how to feel about this. Feels like we're missing a part of the image?

Voss wrote:

Even Reivers sneak in with an actual purpose

Sadly due to rules nuance, including a Reiver in a Spectrus team imparts a serious handicap. I love the models, but their rules continue to just be awful.

Sterling191 wrote:

Voss wrote:

Even Reivers sneak in with an actual purpose

Sadly due to rules nuance, including a Reiver in a Spectrus team imparts a serious handicap. I love the models, but their rules continue to just be awful.

What's the handicap? All I've seen is the summary on goonhammer that suggests that terror troops is always on if there is one and shock grenades are available.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Spoiler:

I don't know how to feel about this. Feels like we're missing a part of the image?

A fifth incursor(infiltrator?) is definitely off one edge, presumably more of the Impulsor as well.

Its a bit weird that they've got 2 5 man units, but with the vehicle (and character), that's probably the full box. It certainly seems in line with the DW/SW boxes.

Voss wrote:

What's the handicap? All I've seen is the summary on goonhammer that suggests that terror troops is always on if there is one and shock grenades are available.

It breaks the squad's ability to forward deploy, and does not allow the squad to benefit from the Reiver specific anti-obsec strat.

Sterling191 wrote:

Voss wrote:

What's the handicap? All I've seen is the summary on goonhammer that suggests that terror troops is always on if there is one and shock grenades are available.

It breaks the squad's ability to forward deploy, and does not allow the squad to benefit from the Reiver specific anti-obsec strat.

Ah. That's... kinda just weird. I figured if they had the gear, they could still advanced deploy. Yeah, that's pretty big.

Deathwatch combat patrol out of stock, new price and all, another W for GW.

At least the agressors are full kit.

kryczek wrote:
BA combat patrol contents


Pretty meh IMHO. I was hoping for assault intercessors.

So 5 intercessors, 5 infiltrators/incusors 3 agressors, a librarian and a Impulsor?

that's actually not a bad set up at all. of the three combat patrols we've seen it's honestly proably the best of the lot.

My big problem with all of them is the characters and the price point (and the characters contribute to the price point problem). I just wouldn't buy multiples (nor would I buy if I had any of these characters).

Though I find this 'BA box' better for Deathwatch, to be honest. It makes for a good foundation for three different kill teams.

For a BA army, yeah, maybe you do want a couple shooting units in the list? I guess? But really, vanguard vets, maybe some sanguinary guard and death company instead?
As chapter BA really want oldmarines and their existing snowflakes.

Unsurprisingly, despite having phobos models, they clearly didn't add a new upgrade sprue.

That's kinda the point isn't it? To price it and include characters so new players will buy 1 and current players will buy 0-1

GW realized the old SC sets were a good deal, so they had to replace them with a worse deal without making it look obvious.

Yeah, helping people collect the hobby isn’t in their job description haha.

Salt aside, it does just basically seem like Start Collecting!s were being bought more than the standard kits. So they wanted to do this style to make it a “buy once if you’re a new player” and then buy the normal kits from then on.

Is it me or is the BA one significantly better as a deal than the previous 2? The Impulsor at $75 really bumps it up. It's a pretty good buy for me as I could use these in my existing marine armies and don't currently have the librarian. Don't need BA sprues but they can still be used for DW pads on a few models, if not just selling them outright.

 ScarletRose wrote:
... so they had to replace them with a worse deal without making it look obvious.

Well they failed at that.

New Blood Angels Combat Patrol £85?
Impulsor £45
1/2 Intercessors £17.50
1/2 Infiltrators £17.50
Aggressors £30
Primaris Librarian £22.5
Upgrade Sprue £9
Total £141.5
Savings £56.5

Old Blood Angels SC £60
Blood Angels Tactical Squad no longer available so instead using the normal Tactical Squad £30
Terminator Chaptain £20
Baal Predator £37.5
Blood Angels Upgrade Pack because Blood Angles Tactical Squad is no longer available so you would need this to get the same £9
Total £96.5
Savings £36.5

So Blood Angels have a new savings of 40% to the old one of 38%
Which would be way better compared to:
The Deathwatch which get a new savings of 32% to the old one of 46%
and Space Wolves have a new savings of 33.5% to the old one of 41%

So maybe this Combat Patrol will cost more?

kryczek wrote:
BA combat patrol contents

Spoiler:

[img]https://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2020/11/1/1083592_sm-BACP.jpg" border="0" />[/img]

Pretty meh IMHO. I was hoping for assault intercessors.

Maybe if Black Templars get a box towards the end of 2022 when we are half way through Primaris wave four(we all know this is not the last batch right?). but I wouldn't expect any of the new or upcoming Primaris kits to show up in these sets.
The BA box looks alright to my eye, I think the Impulsor makes it feel like a fuller box than the others(at least to me)? Although I am surprised they went for the generic Libby instead of the BA specific Lieutenant.

 Kanluwen wrote:


I don't know how to feel about this. Feels like we're missing a part of the image?

Well, let's see...

Primaris Librarian = 5 PL
Intercessor squad = 5 PL
Incursur Squad = 5 PL
Aggressors = 6 PL
Impulsor = 7 PL

Total of 28 PL.

Bit thick, that one!

Pretty great box, but why oh why are they not Assault Intercessors?
Also, it appears GW has made a decision on Incursors Yellow Helmets, looks like I’ll have to repaint mine

Yeah, I'll be buying that BA patrol box. For my Deathwatch. Much better than the actual DW patrol box, assuming it's still £85. I don't need another 5 intercessors really, and the BA upgrade sprue is of marginal usefulness (my DW already have far too many BA and BA successor models), but all the rest is stuff I'd be buying anyway and it still works out cheaper than getting them individually.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:
... so they had to replace them with a worse deal without making it look obvious.

Well they failed at that.

Be fair. They got half of it right.

 Overread wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
No, they're really stringing them out for some reason.

Well the pandemic and all has hit GW's production system hard. Plus they are backed up with releases for other systems too. Heck I suspect we got what was originally going to be two separate waves of Necron releases in one go already. I suspect starter sets, codex, terrain and such would have originally landed closer to Indomitus; then around September we'd have had the second wave and then a third wave later; instead we got waves one and two in one go and now there's a gap for the last which is likely going to be into next year.

It might even be that Indomitus wave 2 has pushed the new models further along as well.


The good side of it is that we've got time to buy and build without getting too overwhelmed in one go.

Why people put everything under covid? Gw has long history of stretching releases and as sisters showed it still exists.

Gw bases sales on impulse purchases and knows mini sells most of it's lifetime sales right away. Put too many necrons and players literally might not afford all at once and then with hype cooling down(can't keep hype for same models going all the time) costs sales.


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Voss wrote:
My big problem with all of them is the characters and the price point (and the characters contribute to the price point problem). I just wouldn't buy multiples (nor would I buy if I had any of these characters).

Though I find this 'BA box' better for Deathwatch, to be honest. It makes for a good foundation for three different kill teams.

For a BA army, yeah, maybe you do want a couple shooting units in the list? I guess? But really, vanguard vets, maybe some sanguinary guard and death company instead?
As chapter BA really want oldmarines and their existing snowflakes.

Unsurprisingly, despite having phobos models, they clearly didn't add a new upgrade sprue.

If you aren't buying multiples gw is "mission accomplished".

diepotato47 wrote:
Pretty great box, but why oh why are they not Assault Intercessors?

Why people want worthless garbage ETB sprue that can be had for pennies on ebay instead of real, multipart kit from this box?

If you play BA you should have enough spare chainswords to convert them anyway, there are also multiple ones on BA upgrade sprues.

 Irbis wrote:

diepotato47 wrote:
Pretty great box, but why oh why are they not Assault Intercessors?

Why people want worthless garbage ETB sprue that can be had for pennies on ebay instead of real, multipart kit from this box?

If you play BA you should have enough spare chainswords to convert them anyway, there are also multiple ones on BA upgrade sprues.

I think they meant why not multi part assault intercessors.

Because those aren't being released alongside the BA codex, it's really that simple.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Because those aren't being released alongside the BA codex, it's really that simple.

Well... they might be, we don't know whats coming with them yet.

I dare say we’ll have the multi-part Assault Intercessors by the time the Blood Angel supplement drops, as it’s the last one coming.
They wouldn’t release such a new kit in a starter box though, and I think the Death Company Intercessors will almost certainly be generic Assault Intercessors wth an upgrade sprue, not a specialised kit.

diepotato47 wrote:
I dare say we’ll have the multi-part Assault Intercessors by the time the Blood Angel supplement drops, as it’s the last one coming.

No, it isn't - Dark Angels are last in this Supplement cycle, coming "early 2021" (presumably January), while the Blood Angels come out in December alongside the Death Guard.

AI coming out in the same month would be fitting, but I'm assuming nothing at this point

Gotta be honest, incursors look terrible in red, even more so with yellow helmets. If I do ever add phobos to my Dark Angels, they will be a mix of green and black. They work great in my Ravenguard colours though.

AI and Flayed Ones seem to be tied to a kill team release based on the teaser video

There's no indication that assault intercessors will be seen first in KT, it's just supposed that they'll be in KT. Imo it would be very surprising if they are tied to the KT starter as the first opportunity to buy them, that makes no sense on many levels.

Honestly it’s amusing but confusing that marines have gone so long without any full kits relasing, just pushfit and characters.

I dunno that they are going to do multi-part kits for everything any more. None of the necron pushfit releases that have been released on their own got reworked into multi-part.