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Kayback wrote:

Look at almost any veteran in combat. Their gear will be stripped down to bare essentials that accomplish the mission without any superfluous garbage. Yet these veterans are carrying everything including the Kitchen Sink. I DO like the Death Watch Veteran Kill Team, including the shield guy.

>Marines
>realism

Pick one and only one.


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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:


Plastic Catachan infanty is up there, but I wouldn't define them as "recent".

Those new plastic Cadians aren't so good either, bobble headed and with the damn left hand attached to the gun making weapon swaps a real pain. And as an added bonus they only come with half the special weapon options and no heavy weapons or weapon options for the sarge. But they're also like 5 or 6 years old so not really recent.

Hopefully GW will upgrade them soon, they certainly won't let this be the only IG infantry kit for 20+ years.

5 or 6 years? I thought they came out 2003 or so?

 DalekCheese wrote:

Kayback wrote:

Look at almost any veteran in combat. Their gear will be stripped down to bare essentials that accomplish the mission without any superfluous garbage. Yet these veterans are carrying everything including the Kitchen Sink. I DO like the Death Watch Veteran Kill Team, including the shield guy.

>Marines
>realism

Pick one and only one.

Lol I know, looking for realism in Space Fantasy is pretty dumb. Maybe "believable"? "not quite so farcical"?

Ah waddeva.

My grandfather handed down a box of those plastic Cadians to me, they had been given to him by his father who had been given them as a thankyou gift by a French soldier at Verdun.

Can I nominate this brand new horror show?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/07/model-focus-avalenor-the-stoneheart-king

A giant cow-man with an actual mountain on it. I mean, the whole range of new elves leaves me cold, but this abomination takes the cake.

 Pacific wrote:
My grandfather handed down a box of those plastic Cadians to me, they had been given to him by his father who had been given them as a thankyou gift by a French soldier at Verdun.

I heard they found some plastic cadians at lascaux

 Gordy2000 wrote:
Can I nominate this brand new horror show?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/07/model-focus-avalenor-the-stoneheart-king

A giant cow-man with an actual mountain on it. I mean, the whole range of new elves leaves me cold, but this abomination takes the cake.

Holy Dog, that is a strange one! Losing the mountain would be a good start.

I don't find the the cow iconography awful, so much as conceptually weird. Elves being agile and graceful, there's a lot more suitable spiritual animals for them surely.

 Gordy2000 wrote:
Can I nominate this brand new horror show?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/07/model-focus-avalenor-the-stoneheart-king

A giant cow-man with an actual mountain on it. I mean, the whole range of new elves leaves me cold, but this abomination takes the cake.

I am not sure about it......its so very different and in tune with bizareness of true religions - have you ever read the description of what Angels look like.....

Still a million times better than Centurions....

 Gordy2000 wrote:
Can I nominate this brand new horror show?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/07/model-focus-avalenor-the-stoneheart-king

A giant cow-man with an actual mountain on it. I mean, the whole range of new elves leaves me cold, but this abomination takes the cake.

Absoultely not. He's a great piece.

He's not to my taste, but i'm just not a big fan of bigger models in general (with some exceptions)

I kind of like the idea behind the theme, and heck, i appreciate changes from the stereotypes of elves

Absoultely not. He's a great piece.

Of course, aesthetic taste is entirely subjective and the model is technically well executed, but still, cow elves....

I see people complain about how busy GW models are getting - I can see their point now.

I'm no fan of the new CSM characters. Abaddon is okay, but the master of executions, sorcerer and dark apostle look like cackling villains who appear in one episode of a TV show before getting wasted by the good guys. The chaos lord with the hammer is fine, except for the head with the topknot. For me, that makes him a Black Legion character and not suitable for Alpha Legion, Night Lords, Word Bearers, Iron Warriors or any of the cult legions. The head and body are one piece of course.

The only CSM HQ I really like is the terminator lord because it's quite generic. I'm so disappointed GW didn't go down the road of default HQ models with multiple head and weapon options. I'd love a mega armour warboss along those lines

Speaking of busy / cluttered models, I believe Mortarion is the worst offender of all. Pose is good, the detail of the sculpt is incredible, but completely excessive. There is just WAY too much going on with that model. It's as though the sculptor wanted to do as many different textures/materials as possible. In particular, the sheer amount of trailing objects is playing tricks with my eyes. I imagine it's also the absolute pits trying to store and transport it without bending something. Which is something that puts me off a lot of the recent large monster models, but I digress.

 Gordy2000 wrote:
Can I nominate this brand new horror show?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/07/model-focus-avalenor-the-stoneheart-king

A giant cow-man with an actual mountain on it. I mean, the whole range of new elves leaves me cold, but this abomination takes the cake.

I quite like that they are trying to do something different, it kind of fits with how utterly bat-gak insane the Age of Sigmar universe is.

Giant cow elves are probably one of the more mundane things you would see if you spent any time there.

 thegreatchimp wrote:
Speaking of busy / cluttered models, I believe Mortarion is the worst offender of all. Pose is good, the detail of the sculpt is incredible, but completely excessive. There is just WAY too much going on with that model. It's as though the sculptor wanted to do as many different textures/materials as possible. In particular, the sheer amount of trailing objects is playing tricks with my eyes. I imagine it's also the absolute pits trying to store and transport it without bending something. Which is something that puts me off a lot of the recent large monster models, but I digress.

Eh, he's a Primarch, those kind of special models should be fairly busy. I had an absolute blast painting mine. I totally get you on the worrying about breaking stuff; I had to handle the model like eggs or something to avoid breaking or bending those chains and it made me nervous. Still, that's one of GW's best models and a big part of the reason I started Death Guard (although I have now since sold all my Chaos stuff).

 ZergSmasher wrote:

Eh, he's a Primarch, those kind of special models should be fairly busy. I had an absolute blast painting mine. I totally get you on the worrying about breaking stuff; I had to handle the model like eggs or something to avoid breaking or bending those chains and it made me nervous. Still, that's one of GW's best models and a big part of the reason I started Death Guard (although I have now since sold all my Chaos stuff).

To each their own. I don't like the New Nurgle stuff at all, I find it OTT and cartoonish. Except the Beast of Nurgle as it cracks me up. I'm a big fan of the OOP plaguemarines though.

A giant cow-man with an actual mountain on it. I mean, the whole range of new elves leaves me cold, but this abomination takes the cake.

That one is rough for me too. I like the idea of it, but the execution is a little rough. It's a little confused and all over the place for me. He's a mountain, but also a bull, but he's got a vaguely lion/cow face, and croquet mallets for weapons? And his stance is oddly unbalanced. It looks like you could tip him over easily. The proportions are just awkward.

I'm a big fan of the OOP plaguemarines though.

There are three sets of OOP Plague Marines. Out of curiosity, which one did you like? There's the original metals, then came the plastic set with big pot bellies, then came the plastic set that would eventually become a fine-cast set before being replaced by the modern Plague Marines.

Personally, I really liked the original plastics from 2nd ed.

Tycho wrote:
There are three sets of OOP Plague Marines. Out of curiosity, which one did you like? There's the original metals, then came the plastic set with big pot bellies, then came the plastic set that would eventually become a fine-cast set before being replaced by the modern Plague Marines. Personally, I really liked the original plastics from 2nd ed.

I liked both the finecast GW ones and the Forge World ones. I think they nailed the aesthetic.

Tycho wrote:

I'm a big fan of the OOP plaguemarines though.

There are three sets of OOP Plague Marines. Out of curiosity, which one did you like? There's the original metals, then came the plastic set with big pot bellies, then came the plastic set that would eventually become a fine-cast set before being replaced by the modern Plague Marines.

Personally, I really liked the original plastics from 2nd ed.

There are five actually (six if you count the FW kit).

These guys, which came before the first ones you mentioned.
And these, which are the very first Nurgle marines.

Tycho wrote:
It's also interesting because there are a lot of very well done models mentioned in this thread where people simply dislike the look/style and simply label the model as "bad". There's a pretty big gulf between a truly terrible model (Starship Troopers Brain Bug complete with .5lb of extra metal flashing), and a model that is well done but that you dislike the style of. Always bums me out when I see it. "I don't like it so it must suck" is no way to live your life.

That is, however, life in 2020. Because we communicate more and more in short, typed bursts -- and seek reactions/rewards to those bursts -- it drives people toward those types of responses.

These guys, which came before the first ones you mentioned.
And these, which are the very first Nurgle marines.

These are the ones I was talking about when I mentioned the original metals, a,though I must admit I had forgotten about the FW ones which were pretty cool imo.

That is, however, life in 2020. Because we communicate more and more in short, typed bursts -- and seek reactions/rewards to those bursts -- it drives people toward those types of responses.

I don't disagree, but that doesn't mean we have to just accept it.

 Grimtuff wrote:

There are five actually (six if you count the FW kit).

These guys, which came before the first ones you mentioned.
And these, which are the very first Nurgle marines.

I will always love the original goofy mutant Chaos Marines. The sculpting style of the times was cartoony at the best of times, so they leaned on that hard and created some wonderfully varied and interesting looking dudes. The following iterations of Chaos guys got a lot more uniform and it wouldn't be until the Possessed that some of that same level of outright mutation and weird biology would be reintroduced.

I've considered collecting a kill team of those sculpts, but they're really rather expensive these days. That three-armed Tzeench guy with the plasma pistol and staff will always be my favorite. He looks especially rad riding on a Disc.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

There are five actually (six if you count the FW kit).

These guys, which came before the first ones you mentioned.
And these, which are the very first Nurgle marines.

I will always love the original goofy mutant Chaos Marines. The sculpting style of the times was cartoony at the best of times, so they leaned on that hard and created some wonderfully varied and interesting looking dudes. The following iterations of Chaos guys got a lot more uniform and it wouldn't be until the Possessed that some of that same level of outright mutation and weird biology would be reintroduced.

I've considered collecting a kill team of those sculpts, but they're really rather expensive these days. That three-armed Tzeench guy with the plasma pistol and staff will always be my favorite. He looks especially rad riding on a Disc.

The art of that mini is always stuck in my head from when I first started this hobby. Gave me nightmares that pic did, never even knew it was an actual mini till years later.



Plus, when searching for that image just now I see how it seems to have subconsciously influenced a lot of my Chaos minis with a few of my DG characters have horse skull heads/helmets.

This utter utter utter utter utter utter fiddly sodbiscuit.

Sure, he looks great on the box. But having just (not quite accurately) built him?

Never. Again. Give me metal Hive Tyrants and Penitent Engines. Just not this awkward, fiddly, easily bent kit.

 Grimtuff wrote:


The art of that mini is always stuck in my head from when I first started this hobby. Gave me nightmares that pic did, never even knew it was an actual mini till years later.

Remind you of anyone? Mortis was my source of nightmares as a 7-year old.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
This utter utter utter utter utter utter fiddly sodbiscuit.

Sure, he looks great on the box. But having just (not quite accurately) built him?

Never. Again. Give me metal Hive Tyrants and Penitent Engines. Just not this awkward, fiddly, easily bent kit.

NEVER play Daughters of Khaine - Khinerai look outstanding but MY GODS they are fragile. I've not broken one, but I'm terrified I will at some point. They are flying on their thin tails within wings which each wing "finger" ends with a long tapered bit of plastic. It's just a model build around fragility - and they use freaking spears as weapons too!
THAT said I own loads of them and whilst I don't "need" more I'll end up with more when the slaanesh/DOK duel set comes out - they look fantastic and fun and really great.

Now I jst need to work out how to get a magnet under them so that I can prise them off a magnetic sheet without snapping them off the base

One downside of GW going digital is that we are getting fewer practical models for gaming and more fragile ones.



PS I've not built him yet, but my fear of a model like that isn't building; its painting. All those fragile parts; all those bits that cover other bits and make my fingers shiver at the thought. Also I hate how so many models want you to build them in stages- before painting so you can get to all the bits. Takes the fun out of building and "finishing" a model building wise (then again I say that as a frequent model builder and fearful infrequent painter)

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

There are five actually (six if you count the FW kit).

These guys, which came before the first ones you mentioned.
And these, which are the very first Nurgle marines.

I will always love the original goofy mutant Chaos Marines. The sculpting style of the times was cartoony at the best of times, so they leaned on that hard and created some wonderfully varied and interesting looking dudes. The following iterations of Chaos guys got a lot more uniform and it wouldn't be until the Possessed that some of that same level of outright mutation and weird biology would be reintroduced.

I've considered collecting a kill team of those sculpts, but they're really rather expensive these days. That three-armed Tzeench guy with the plasma pistol and staff will always be my favorite. He looks especially rad riding on a Disc.

The art of that mini is always stuck in my head from when I first started this hobby. Gave me nightmares that pic did, never even knew it was an actual mini till years later.



Plus, when searching for that image just now I see how it seems to have subconsciously influenced a lot of my Chaos minis with a few of my DG characters have horse skull heads/helmets.

Me too, remember being similarly creeped out by it.The artwork along with the text is far, far more unsettling than any amount of spikes, skulls, and angry looking guys could ever be.

That space wolf flying brick, wolf riders, Santa Claus, and their FW terminators; Cadian and catachans are old and outdated, but they are universal and good for their time.

 Big Mac wrote:
That space wolf flying brick, wolf riders, Santa Claus, and their FW terminators; Cadian and catachans are old and outdated, but they are universal and good for their time.

I'll see your Santa and the Brick, and raise you one Lord of the Dance.

 thegreatchimp wrote:

 Big Mac wrote:
That space wolf flying brick, wolf riders, Santa Claus, and their FW terminators; Cadian and catachans are old and outdated, but they are universal and good for their time.

I'll see your Santa and the Brick, and raise you one Lord of the Dance.

Nah, he's not dancing. He just wants to give you a big ol' hug!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
This utter utter utter utter utter utter fiddly sodbiscuit.

Sure, he looks great on the box. But having just (not quite accurately) built him?

Never. Again. Give me metal Hive Tyrants and Penitent Engines. Just not this awkward, fiddly, easily bent kit.

This is one of those that, just as much as assembling, I just have absolutely zero desire to attempt to paint that. That piece is something that should have been a conversion diorama, not an out-of-the-box basic setup.