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2 wounds confirmed

That’s right – it won’t just be Primaris Marines on 2 Wounds anymore! All of a sudden, a lot of units that may have felt a bit left behind become very durable and appealing. From Battle Company units such as Assault, Devastator and Tactical Marines, to the elite Terminators of the 1st Company (who will be increased to 3 Wounds accordingly), the first born will be back to prove to their Primaris battle-brothers their great worth.


Also Chaos bois
And as for future codexes for other genetically engineered transhumans warriors (both of the shiny grey and spikey variety), the same will apply to them. Just think how durable that will make units like Rubric Marines or Plague Marines.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/08/13/new-boxes-new-rules-new-codexes/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=40K&utm_content=40knewrules13082020&fbclid=IwAR0rlUP5noWhjQ00YwForuZZspY5mtiI7BqvKjBpG9GWdltnz7EN1QHR4M8

Intriguing... this kinda puts the brakes on the whole "phase out oldmarines" plan. Not to say it won't still happen, but probably not exactly just around the corner.
I'm also gravely concerned about the further power swing in favour of Marines, despite the points increase mentioned.

‘But what about my lovely xenos army?’ we hear you cry. Don’t worry – your weaponry will get the same treatment! While most of their wargear may not be as ubiquitous as the Imperium’s mass-produced arsenal, their weapons will also be looked at too...

WOOHOO!!

...when each of their codexes comes around.

...oh.

 Super Ready wrote:
Intriguing... this kinda puts the brakes on the whole "phase out oldmarines" plan. Not to say it won't still happen, but probably not exactly just around the corner.
I'm also gravely concerned about the further power swing in favour of Marines, despite the points increase mentioned.

‘But what about my lovely xenos army?’ we hear you cry. Don’t worry – your weaponry will get the same treatment! While most of their wargear may not be as ubiquitous as the Imperium’s mass-produced arsenal, their weapons will also be looked at too...

WOOHOO!!

...when each of their codexes comes around.

...oh.

Yep, we will be in Horus Heresy 40k for the time being.

 Super Ready wrote:

‘But what about my lovely xenos army?’ we hear you cry. Don’t worry – your weaponry will get the same treatment! While most of their wargear may not be as ubiquitous as the Imperium’s mass-produced arsenal, their weapons will also be looked at too...

WOOHOO!!

...when each of their codexes comes around.

...oh.

And we all know how well GW does at maintaining a "game development focus" during the entirety of an edition, where all the codexes follow the same design philosophy.

For those who are new: they don't. I don't believe, in the 25+ years I've been involved in GW games, that they have completed an entire set of 40k codexes following the same principles for the same edition of the game.

Depends entirely on how quickly they pump out the Codexes.

With a weekly release schedule, and this being more a “spit and polish” job than 8th compared to 9th, it’s feasible they can whip round the relatively few Xenos Codexes in a few months.

I mean, there are....erm...in no particular order..

1. Necrons
2. Craftwork Eldar
3. Dark Eldar
4. Orks
5. Tau
6. Tyranids
7. Harlequins
8. Genestealer Cults

Pretty sure that’s your lot. Focus on them first, as existing imperial forces get a de facto boost, and everyone is closer to an even keel relatively quickly.

There will be such a premium on D2 weapons now, even more than previously. Will make me look at what I have in my current armies.

Sisters get a bigger bump out of this than any of the other armies in the game. ESPECIALLY because we DON'T get the second wound.

Our infantry stays one wound an relatively cheap, which means the fact that melta is suddenly great and heavy bolters suddenly kill an intercessor per shot don't change anything for us.

Meanwhile every weapon that got the bump are the sum total of our weapon options. Even the second worst unit in the codex, the Immolator, gets an absolutely OBSCENE power boost from this.

+1S powerswords means that a unit of zephyrim becomes a crazy cuisinart of death with their reroll to wounds.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Depends entirely on how quickly they pump out the Codexes.

With a weekly release schedule, and this being more a “spit and polish” job than 8th compared to 9th, it’s feasible they can whip round the relatively few Xenos Codexes in a few months.

I mean, there are....erm...in no particular order..

1. Necrons
2. Craftwork Eldar
3. Dark Eldar
4. Orks
5. Tau
6. Tyranids
7. Harlequins
8. Genestealer Cults

Pretty sure that’s your lot. Focus on them first, as existing imperial forces get a de facto boost, and everyone is closer to an even keel relatively quickly.

I very much doubt Codexes will come out quicker than the fairly rapid pace in 8th, and we know the early days are likely to be Marine heavy given Deathwatch were mentioned as being an early codex and the integration of the Wolves, BA and DA.

GW doesn't tend to keep an edition around too long after all the codexes are done, and 8th wasn't really an exception.

GW have to tread very carefully after 9th edition, we loved 8th as a group so much and got us back into the game, if they change the rules too much in 10th edition we will keep playing 9th edition as a group because its the best version of 40k ever.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
2. Craftwork Eldar

It's written Kraftwerk, like an ork word !

ERJAK wrote:
Even the second worst unit in the codex, the Immolator, gets an absolutely OBSCENE power boost from this.

Because of the heavy bolter boost? Or do you mean multi-melta loadout?
I admit that shooting 4 melta shots, with the new melta range rule and miracle dice, could be... tempting .

 The Phazer wrote:

I very much doubt Codexes will come out quicker than the fairly rapid pace in 8th, and we know the early days are likely to be Marine heavy given Deathwatch were mentioned as being an early codex and the integration of the Wolves, BA and DA.

Deathwatch & etc are supplements to the new SM codex, not codexes themselves. Those can be dumped out pretty fast on the heels of October- the real work is done, they just needed to move some numbers around on datasheets and copy-pasta the background sections.


That said, I'm not looking forward to another codex sprint. It definitely needs to be done now, but I was looking forward to the idea that they might take their time and do them right rather than sprint to the finish. But dumping all the major upgrade work on the individual books rather than a get-you-by list with the edition basically kicks that in the teeth. I'm worried about what corners they'll cut, and who gets the dubious privilege of being at the end of the list.

 The Phazer wrote:

I very much doubt Codexes will come out quicker than the fairly rapid pace in 8th, and we know the early days are likely to be Marine heavy given Deathwatch were mentioned as being an early codex and the integration of the Wolves, BA and DA.

GW doesn't tend to keep an edition around too long after all the codexes are done, and 8th wasn't really an exception.

If there's no model releases to go with them, the Marine stuff can be done in a week.

Because that's what dragged out the Marine book+supplements last year. The characters being tied to supplements and the units being spread out to accompany them.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
2. Craftwork Eldar

It's written Kraftwerk, like an ork word !

ERJAK wrote:
Even the second worst unit in the codex, the Immolator, gets an absolutely OBSCENE power boost from this.

Because of the heavy bolter boost? Or do you mean multi-melta loadout?
I admit that shooting 4 melta shots, with the new melta range rule and miracle dice, could be... tempting .

The multimelta loadout. Without some significant upgrades to the immolation flamer, the MM loadout is likely to be the go to considering you can zoom up into melta range(and advance in argent shroud) and absolutely wreck a vehicle for only 20 more points is going to be hard to beat.

That's even ignoring the already competitively priced mortifiers seeing double the firepower against multiwound targets, retributors becoming hilariously terrifying, pengines finally actually being able to shoot some times, changes to other powerweapons helping boost celestians, etc.

They're buffing literally the only profiles we use. It's not like marines where it's like 'huh, melta might be better than plasma now' it's like 'the only thing we had is MASSIVELY superior all of a sudden!'


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:

I very much doubt Codexes will come out quicker than the fairly rapid pace in 8th, and we know the early days are likely to be Marine heavy given Deathwatch were mentioned as being an early codex and the integration of the Wolves, BA and DA.

GW doesn't tend to keep an edition around too long after all the codexes are done, and 8th wasn't really an exception.

If there's no model releases to go with them, the Marine stuff can be done in a week.

Because that's what dragged out the Marine book+supplements last year. The characters being tied to supplements and the units being spread out to accompany them.

Without the Covid slowdown I would have guessed every single marine book done before the late november, early december release cutoff they have every year.

So what was the point of Primaris? Besides hundreds of shiny new models obviously.

So... now flamers are the same range as shuricats. That's great and not indicative at all that shuricats need different range bands, no siree.

 Albertorius wrote:
So... now flamers are the same range as shuricats. That's great and not indicative at all that shuricats need different range bands, no siree.

Heavy Flamers.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
So... now flamers are the same range as shuricats. That's great and not indicative at all that shuricats need different range bands, no siree.

Heavy Flamers.

"Get Your Flame On!

Flamers and heavy flamers are moving to Range 12″, all the better to dissuade enemy assaults and hose your enemies down with liquid fire. We hope you brought marshmallows*!"

 Albertorius wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
So... now flamers are the same range as shuricats. That's great and not indicative at all that shuricats need different range bands, no siree.

Heavy Flamers.

"Get Your Flame On!

Flamers and heavy flamers are moving to Range 12″, all the better to dissuade enemy assaults and hose your enemies down with liquid fire. We hope you brought marshmallows*!"

Well, at least Hand Flamers keep a shorter range than a shuricat, right?

 Albertorius wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
So... now flamers are the same range as shuricats. That's great and not indicative at all that shuricats need different range bands, no siree.

Heavy Flamers.

"Get Your Flame On!

Flamers and heavy flamers are moving to Range 12″, all the better to dissuade enemy assaults and hose your enemies down with liquid fire. We hope you brought marshmallows*!"

Fair point is fair

In the news today breaking : a group of excited 40k nerds claiming to be chaos players have just started breaking windows and looting across the New York area, shouting things like " Chaos are getting 2 wounds! " and " blood for the blood god! " We will keep you updated as this crowd tears through New York City on a rampage, it looks like nothing can stop them.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
So... now flamers are the same range as shuricats. That's great and not indicative at all that shuricats need different range bands, no siree.

Heavy Flamers.

"Get Your Flame On!

Flamers and heavy flamers are moving to Range 12″, all the better to dissuade enemy assaults and hose your enemies down with liquid fire. We hope you brought marshmallows*!"

Well, at least Hand Flamers keep a shorter range than a shuricat, right?

I wonder if they could just throw the discs instead of shooting them out of the catapults. Maybe they'd go farther that way :p


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

"Get Your Flame On!

Flamers and heavy flamers are moving to Range 12″, all the better to dissuade enemy assaults and hose your enemies down with liquid fire. We hope you brought marshmallows*!"

Fair point is fair

Heh, hopefully they'll feel that way when writing the eldar codexes ^^

I’m guessing the box rebranding is why Intercessors have been out of stock everywhere online?

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I’m guessing the box rebranding is why Intercessors have been out of stock everywhere online?

Doubtless they’ll be $35 or $40 for a five man squad.

On topic, wondering if bikes will be multiple wounds.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
So what was the point of Primaris? Besides hundreds of shiny new models obviously.

Jes Goodwin said in the first Voxcast that he did that Primaris were a range revamp. But because they couldn't update the whole range at once they made them a new unit and factored that into the fluff.

 Tastyfish wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
So what was the point of Primaris? Besides hundreds of shiny new models obviously.

Jes Goodwin said in the first Voxcast that he did that Primaris were a range revamp. But because they couldn't update the whole range at once they made them a new unit and factored that into the fluff.

So he just straight up admitted to making a clunky mess of things? Wow.

 Tastyfish wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
So what was the point of Primaris? Besides hundreds of shiny new models obviously.

Jes Goodwin said in the first Voxcast that he did that Primaris were a range revamp. But because they couldn't update the whole range at once they made them a new unit and factored that into the fluff.

Link and timestamp please.

Because from what I recall, all he said is that he has basically done a complete range revamp in his sketches but it's too much to release all in one go. The Vanguard Marines, for example, were done at the same time as the Intercessors. The Bladeguard are the 'Crusaders' that he did then too.

Well, I for one am happy firstborn marines arent getting legended in the near future. Beakies 4EV

Suddenly, Scarab Occult Terminators are gonna be gods. 3 wounds each, and now power swords that matter.

Also, warpflamer-armed Rubrics just became mandatory. Stick those guys in the webway, then pop out wherever you want and drop Veterans of the Long War on them.

Toasty!


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Also, I expected to see more gnashing of teeth at GW suddenly NOT squatting Old Marines. I'm disappointed in you, Dakka.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Suddenly, Scarab Occult Terminators are gonna be gods. 3 wounds each, and now power swords that matter.

Also, warpflamer-armed Rubrics just became mandatory. Stick those guys in the webway, then pop out wherever you want and drop Veterans of the Long War on them.

Toasty!


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Also, I expected to see more gnashing of teeth at GW suddenly NOT squatting Old Marines. I'm disappointed in you, Dakka.

Primaris fanboy: "NO, you can't just give old marines 2W, they're supposed to be squatted!" GW: "Heavy Bolters go brrrrrrrr"

changemod wrote:

 Tastyfish wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
So what was the point of Primaris? Besides hundreds of shiny new models obviously.

Jes Goodwin said in the first Voxcast that he did that Primaris were a range revamp. But because they couldn't update the whole range at once they made them a new unit and factored that into the fluff.

So he just straight up admitted to making a clunky mess of things? Wow.

That seems like an excessively harsh interpretation of ''he said he said' that they decided to introduce them gradually.'