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changemod wrote:
Are they just completely unaware that you effectively need every codex to play?

No doubt there are loads of players that do buy every Codex - but it's hardly necessary. At least, not in this day and age of youtube previews, reviews and battle reports.

The "need every codex to play" thing is only true if you're a competitive player. Even then its not really true if you're experienced enough or have a good enough memory.

But it is a gakky policy. I went digital-only with AoS 2.0 and 40k 8th, now I need to go back to buying physical books. WTF. The worst is that you can't even get digital versions of things like chapter approved or the mission/crusade books or whatever they are - these books don't even come with a code, so you can't offload that information to the app. You have to carry them with you.

changemod wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
I have　played 22 years never owning every codex in some form. No you don't need

You need access to the rules of opposing factions.

If you want to play against someone with incomplete information and constantly referencing their book rather than just looking it up on your own time, I guess that’s up to you.

Lol. I don't do that. But then again i'm not silly enough to think 40k is some sort of sport or　competive game(both which are logical　impossibilites. If you think 40k is competive then you also believe in competive lottery and competive sleeping).

Also ancient method called talking with opponent seems to have been forgotten. I don't need to buy codex or even read myself. I can ask opponent and explain my rules he　is unfamiliar. Shock. Talking with human! The horror!

Have they released the price of the codex? I skimmed through some reviews this morning on youtube and looked on the preorder/new release tab of the GW website and I don't see the price in USD. It's a hefty 264 page (iirc) hardcover book so I'm guessing it won't be cheap.

 warboss wrote:
Have they released the price of the codex? I skimmed through some reviews this morning on youtube and looked on the preorder/new release tab of the GW website and I don't see the price in USD. It's a hefty 264 page (iirc) hardcover book so I'm guessing it won't be cheap.

https://baxtersrealm.com/products/codex-necrons-9th-edition

 warboss wrote:
Have they released the price of the codex? I skimmed through some reviews this morning on youtube and looked on the preorder/new release tab of the GW website and I don't see the price in USD. It's a hefty 264 page (iirc) hardcover book so I'm guessing it won't be cheap.

Both codices are $50 a pop, rather than the $40 that books were in 8E.

Remember that you won't see prices until 1pm Eastern for the US section, as that's when our preorders go up.

Interesting that the Necron 'dex is the same price as the Marine one when the latter was pricier in 8th owing to it's size (presumably). What's interesting is they specify how many Datasheets you get on the Marine page, but not the Necrons so I can only assume it's still much slimmer.

tneva82 wrote:

changemod wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
I have　played 22 years never owning every codex in some form. No you don't need

You need access to the rules of opposing factions.

If you want to play against someone with incomplete information and constantly referencing their book rather than just looking it up on your own time, I guess that’s up to you.

Lol. I don't do that. But then again i'm not silly enough to think 40k is some sort of sport or　competive game(both which are logical　impossibilites. If you think 40k is competive then you also believe in competive lottery and competive sleeping).

Also ancient method called talking with opponent seems to have been forgotten. I don't need to buy codex or even read myself. I can ask opponent and explain my rules he　is unfamiliar. Shock. Talking with human! The horror!

I couldn’t be further from a tournament player, so frankly I have no idea what you’re talking about.

If anything I’d almost expect them to be less invested in the overall state of the game given all they need is to chase the next ridiculous netlist.

Serious question:
Why do you need to have your opponent's codex if they have one?

Problems shouldn't be coming up often enough that you need to babysit their stuff that badly.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Serious question:
Why do you need to have your opponent's codex if they have one?

Problems shouldn't be coming up often enough that you need to babysit their stuff that badly.

Because I’d obviously want to be intimately familiar with what each army does if I’m changing my lists up nearly every week and want to be able to know how to do target priority, which is about 50% of the actual strategy to this game with board control making up the other half?

It also helps to have a decent grasp of how armies work when doing casual pickup games so you know when someone’s trying to cheat or rules lawyer, or has clearly brought some over the top competitive list and the kid gloves have to come off.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Both codices are $50 a pop, rather than the $40 that books were in 8E.

Remember that you won't see prices until 1pm Eastern for the US section, as that's when our preorders go up.

Thanks as I've been out of the GW buying loop for a couple of editions now. That's fairly reasonable for that size of a book from GW (moreso for the megamarine codex rather than the smaller other factions). I wasn't aware of the pricing time tables and thought it just goes up in the morning locally (hence why people post NZ/AUS stuff first). Any preview yet as to how much the chapter specific books will be?

 warboss wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Both codices are $50 a pop, rather than the $40 that books were in 8E.

Remember that you won't see prices until 1pm Eastern for the US section, as that's when our preorders go up.

Thanks as I've been out of the GW buying loop for a couple of editions now. That's fairly reasonable for that size of a book from GW (moreso for the megamarine codex rather than the smaller other factions). I wasn't aware of the pricing time tables and thought it just goes up in the morning locally (hence why people post NZ/AUS stuff first). Any preview yet as to how much the chapter specific books will be?

All of the existing ones are $40 but it remains to be seen for Space Wolves, Deathwatch, and both flavor of Angels. They'll likely actually feature some serious amounts of content unlike the others.

Usually we'll see prices on Tuesday or Wednesday via independent retailers. We got the prices for this release before the preorder announcement so it didn't stay 'out there' as much.

This is a huge shame and a big negative for the new edition.

The app remains garbage, and it's a poor imitation of having a proper copy of the codex. It still doesn't have a tablet layout! And it's just datasheets and special rules, none of the background or flavour text or any of that.

I tried to buy most of mine digitally because I do most of my reading on the move, and carrying around physical books is a pain in the ass. I won't be able to do that any more. I've certainly felt that with the core rulebook.

I really wonder if GW somehow thinks this will reduce piracy, and I suspect they will find they are completely wrong on that front and a high quality scan will turn up on Sunday morning.

 AduroT wrote:


Please do not advocate piracy on these forums.

Oh hey, they deleted my whole post. I’m not advocating piracy. I’m not telling people to do it. I’m just saying that If GW stops selling PDFs of their books, it won’t stop people from using them, it will just stop people from giving GW money for them. It’s a strictly realist statement of cause and effect.

One of the biggest fallacies surrounding piracy is that all of those people who pirate something would have bought it legitimately if piracy wasn’t an option.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
One of the biggest fallacies surrounding piracy is that all of those people who pirate something would have bought it legitimately if piracy wasn’t an option.

Dingdingding! We have a winner!

The people who were going to pirate the new books were going to do that anyway. People who were going to legitimately pay are going to complain, but they'll still pay so that they can still attend events and the like.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
One of the biggest fallacies surrounding piracy is that all of those people who pirate something would have bought it legitimately if piracy wasn’t an option.

Dingdingding! We have a winner!

The people who were going to pirate the new books were going to do that anyway. People who were going to legitimately pay are going to complain, but they'll still pay so that they can still attend events and the like.

How can you prove they didn’t scan their own purchased copies of the books to make transport lighter?

Is it really that difficult to imagine that both groups of people exist? Some pirates would have bought a digital version were it available, others wouldn't.
And nobody here can pretend to know where the line that divides them sits, unless you just happen to be chairman for the RIAA or something.

 Super Ready wrote:
Is it really that difficult to imagine that both groups of people exist? Some pirates would have bought a digital version were it available, others wouldn't.
And nobody here can pretend to know where the line that divides them sits, unless you just happen to be chairman for the RIAA or something.

Oh, I totally agree. It’s impossible to say. What is certainly true though is that there are people for whom having a digital copy is pretty much a necessity. As I’ve said previously, a wide range of accessibility issues can make the reading of a physical book sit somewhere between uncomfortable and impossible. These are legitimate customers who will now suffer in an attempt to stop piracy. Ironically, some of these people may now turn to piracy because GW refuse to sell them what they’d like to buy.

On a personal note, I was fully prepared to preorder both the marine and Necron codexes today in digital form. Instead, I’m buying nothing more from GW until they let me do that.

 AduroT wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
One of the biggest fallacies surrounding piracy is that all of those people who pirate something would have bought it legitimately if piracy wasn’t an option.

Dingdingding! We have a winner!

The people who were going to pirate the new books were going to do that anyway. People who were going to legitimately pay are going to complain, but they'll still pay so that they can still attend events and the like.

How can you prove they didn’t scan their own purchased copies of the books to make transport lighter?

They don't have to prove whether they did or not. GW doesn't sell digital versions so events shouldn't allow them. It's always been a rule at larger events that you must have a valid copy of your Codex to hand.

Apart from Necrons getting a makeover, 9th edition is taking away more than its giving. This is yet another example of that.

To be honest the whole "I won't buy till it changes" attitude likely doesn't work all that well unless its a majority of customers walking out like that. Otherwise all that happens is you become invisible to GW.


Instead I'd say the best thing would be to get actual statements from people who are disabled and who do need a PDF to view content easily/clearly. Then bundle that up with a detailed message to GW (email) showing them the good that the PDF achieved for allowing greater accessibility to game and diversity of players.

Basically instead of throwing the toys out, show GW how important the digital codex access has been for people beyond convenience. Don't forget draft in AoS (battletomes) and other games since it will boost your signal.


Basically you're aiming to show GW the benefits, especially in situations that GW might not be fully aware of. As a secondary element you're also showing a body of people who GW could lose as customers in a polite way rather than a hostile way.

Remember when Games Workshop discontinued the digital edition of White Dwarf in June 2018 only to bring back the digital edition a year later? It may be possible to convince GW to bring back the digital 40K rulebooks, but it won't be easy and it won't be any time soon.

 Overread wrote:
To be honest the whole "I won't buy till it changes" attitude likely doesn't work all that well unless its a majority of customers walking out like that. Otherwise all that happens is you become invisible to GW.


Instead I'd say the best thing would be to get actual statements from people who are disabled and who do need a PDF to view content easily/clearly. Then bundle that up with a detailed message to GW (email) showing them the good that the PDF achieved for allowing greater accessibility to game and diversity of players.

Basically instead of throwing the toys out, show GW how important the digital codex access has been for people beyond convenience. Don't forget draft in AoS (battletomes) and other games since it will boost your signal.


Basically you're aiming to show GW the benefits, especially in situations that GW might not be fully aware of. As a secondary element you're also showing a body of people who GW could lose as customers in a polite way rather than a hostile way.

I hope I don’t come across as hostile. I’ve already posted on GW's Facebook pages explaining that I find it very difficult to read physical books. I’ve also drafted an email, which I’ll be sending them tomorrow (once I’ve had chance to reread and check it).

I’m totally serious about not buying their products though. There’s literally no reason for me to buy their physical books ... I can’t read them!

 Platuan4th wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
One of the biggest fallacies surrounding piracy is that all of those people who pirate something would have bought it legitimately if piracy wasn’t an option.

Dingdingding! We have a winner!

The people who were going to pirate the new books were going to do that anyway. People who were going to legitimately pay are going to complain, but they'll still pay so that they can still attend events and the like.

This is a bit of stretch. It’s not one way or the other. When privacy was really skyrocketing in the mid to late 2000s it was before services like Netflix, Hulu, Apple Music, Spotify, etc were really established with streaming. Once they started taking off piracy did decrease. Probably because there were people were okay paying 10ish dollars a month for a bunch of stuff to watch/listen to, but not willing to pay 20 dollars for each movie or 15 for each CD they wanted to experience. Ironically as streaming services become less consolidated and every company starts their own service, piracy seems to be more common again. I’m not an expert on this by any means, but this seems to be what I have observed and read on the subject in passing.

I think there are many people who would probably pay the Azyr price of an Army book for a codex, but aren’t willing to spend more than twice that on a physical book they don’t want.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
I hope I don’t come across as hostile. I’ve already posted on GW's Facebook pages explaining that I find it very difficult to read physical books. I’ve also drafted an email, which I’ll be sending them tomorrow (once I’ve had chance to reread and check it).

Physical letters still carry the most weight, IMHO.

This isn’t about piracy, it’s about GW trying to force everyone into their own ecosystem in the app; they know enough to realise that if there’s a better, easier option, people will use that instead. However they’re not smart enough to realise that that’s effectively an admission that they’re app is inferior to the other options, which is going to piss off people who bought into those other systems.

I don't buy physical books anymore, much less books with a shelf life of less than a year, so... well, that's one less expense.

 Jadenim wrote:
This isn’t about piracy, it’s about GW trying to force everyone into their own ecosystem in the app; they know enough to realise that if there’s a better, easier option, people will use that instead. However they’re not smart enough to realise that that’s effectively an admission that they’re app is inferior to the other options, which is going to piss off people who bought into those other systems.

If that's true, why not let us buy a PDF of the codex through the app? This is something the aos app already does so it shouldn't be difficult.

Chikout wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:
This isn’t about piracy, it’s about GW trying to force everyone into their own ecosystem in the app; they know enough to realise that if there’s a better, easier option, people will use that instead. However they’re not smart enough to realise that that’s effectively an admission that they’re app is inferior to the other options, which is going to piss off people who bought into those other systems.

If that's true, why not let us buy a PDF of the codex through the app? This is something the aos app already does so it shouldn't be difficult.

Considering the state of the app?
it would probably burn if they'd implement that...