Why did GW decide to slam every >200pt large vehicle model in the Necron/SM codex into the dumpster?

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**Tyel**

Blackie wrote:
SemperMortis wrote:

Orkz are literally doing well as a horde faction because nobody is building a list with the intent of fighting against 120 OBSEC infantry models. Any SM list can obliterate 120 ork boyz...in 1 turn, if they build a list to do so. But those same SM players at tournaments aren't as worried about facing an Ork horde list as they are about facing an Elite SM/Custodes list. Hence, they build to beat High toughness, multi wound models with good saves.

That's what lots of players can't get or purposefully ignore. No ork horde would be really competitive if tournament players start bringing real TAC lists, not just tailored against elite armies, let alone pure anti horde lists.

But this is how a meta works. I agree - most factions can tailor to be anti-horde, and, I think, anti-Harlequin. But when they make up a small percentage of the total lists, this is a bit pointless unless you really hate those factions, and won't to destroy someone's run if by luck you run into them. So those lists continue to work very well because of that enviroment. This may change if Marines are no longer 25-50%+ of tournament lists, but until that happens its unknown.

Now this may raise questions of whether you should balance based on a tournament scene which will have this meta component - but there isn't much else to go on.

**argonak**

Klickor wrote:
The Dark Imperium Intercessors and other sources of monopose and easy to build Intercessors all come with the rapid fire bolter. Most of the intercessors I have seen at tournaments have been those and would explain why so many use them.

I only have the intercessors from the intercessor box so I never glued the scope/mag and just use something similar to bluetack to keep it on. Already a tight fit so they wont fall off. Right now they are all carrying the assault version but I have a little box with the rapidfire parts from before the point changes. If I decide to use the heavy/stalker versions one day I would only need about 2 hours to clean, undercoat, paint, varnish and replace 20 rifles.

Havent seen anyone else in person actually bother with this so could explain why you see the rapidfire version more often in tournament lists with strict wysiwyg even if they would have prefered the assault version. Think this have more to do with it than an meta choice against marines. Not that much of a difference and most people are too lazy to buy and paint up 5-10 more intercessors for such a tiny advantage. An advantage so small you probably wouldnt even notice it even over a whole tournament.

Do people really host tournaments with such stupidly strict WYSIWG rules? The difference between an auto-bolt rifle and a regular bolt rifle is small, the difference between stalker and regular is almost impossible to tell. If you're using the right model, it seems to be one would have to be a real dink to care about brass tacks of the weapon loadout.

I like my stuff to be WYSIWIG to a reasonable degree, but I'm not buying a new Repulsor just because GW changes the weapon stat lines. it's a repulsor. You don't know what the weapons do anyway unless you're another primaris player, so just look at my army list if you want to know what its got.

**Jimbobbyish**

Tyel wrote:

But this is how a meta works. I agree - most factions can tailor to be anti-horde, and, I think, anti-Harlequin. But when they make up a small percentage of the total lists, this is a bit pointless unless you really hate those factions, and won't to destroy someone's run if by luck you run into them. So those lists continue to work very well because of that enviroment. This may change if Marines are no longer 25-50%+ of tournament lists, but until that happens its unknown.

Now this may raise questions of whether you should balance based on a tournament scene which will have this meta component - but there isn't much else to go on.