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Movies that involve time paradoxes get me annoyed.

The Lake House - I enjoyed it right up to the point we realize there is a time paradox and then I checked out.

Interstellar - again, I was having a fine time with it, right up until we realize it's all a time paradox

Arrival - it was interesting, and then, BOOM, time paradox

 Henry wrote:

Backfire wrote:
All of the main characters were throwaway, they existed only for the movie and died at the end, I suppose it did add Jedi Temple, that was destroyed too...

So by that logic does that mean all the characters in Alien apart from Ripley are throwaway characters? Or all the marines that died in Aliens are throwaway characters? Or
Leonardo DiCaprio's character is throwaway in Titanic?

On second thought, don't answer the last one.

No. The original point was that Rogue One style "midquel" can serve purpose for example by 'deepening the characters', however since the main characters don't exist in other SW movies and all die in the end, Rogue One does not serve such a purpose.

 Overread wrote:

Granted killing them off by the end does at least mean that it resolves most of those characters which is honestly a smart move for a stand alone film. It ends with those characters gone so they aren't left asking questions and the point we get too is answered through A New Hope.

There's definitely something to this. Several Rebels and Clone Wars characters get stuffed into bizarre situations and boxes to justify the obvious 'why didn't they help?' question. Many of those answers were... unsatisfactory.


Though going back to the idea that the characters were 'throwaway,' a character (or place) isn't 'throwaway' just because they died/got destroyed. That there are other people out there doing meaningful things beyond the protagonists adds a lot to a setting.

 Lance845 wrote:

Or that little slave kid who force pulled the broom into his hands.

Which appears to be the one trick he could do.

Or Kyle Katarn pulling his blaster to his hand.

Which appeared to be the one trick they could do

Or Ezra in Rebels before he gets any real training.

I'll admit I don't recall Rebels that well and will have to check up on that

Or how people think Han is force sensitive and it's how he keeps narrowly escaping his bs.

Which appears to be his one trick, which may or may not even exist and be linked to the Force in the SW movie universe.

Or the literal feth tons of cases in all starwars media where people are shown to be using force powers without training.

Anakin being force sensitive enough to fly in pod races. Luke being.... whatever he could do besides being a farmboy, unable to do much until he's actually received training from a Jedi master.

But hey. Only Rey, am I right?

Yeah, Rey. The one person who can fly a space ship without any training, shoot AA guns without any training, fight with a lightsaber without any training against a person who IS trained, using mind control without any training, using Force Push/Pull without any training but nah, nothing wrong with that.

2) Kylo Ren isn't a sith anything.

Except a trainee Jedi, has been exposed to the Sith under the tutelage of the Emperor and if not an actual Lord but he's still strong enough to stop a blaster bolt in it's tracks. And has had an infinite amount more training than Rey.

4)... shes also the granddaughter of one of the most powerful sith lords who ever existed. She actually IS that powerful and SHOULD be doing those things.

Yeah that's part of the bad storyline. It's incompetent writing with the foreshadowing done in the previous movies, it's also lazy AF and disrespectful to anything "Skywalker". Subverting expectations isn't clever when it in an insult.

5) If we are going to take the info from 789 seriously then Palp himself was probably subconsciously influencing everything about her to tap into things she didn't know about every step of the way. This is obviously a thing he can do since he can even do it through proxies. Palp influenced Snoke to influence Ren from accross the galaxy while being trained by Luke. So you really think he can't influence Rey to tap into gak when she is his preferred new host body?

This is an almost decent explanation but then opens up new issues.

A Town Called Malus wrote:.When did Rey defeat a Sith Lord by using force powers without some kind of general tutoring on how to tap in to the force?

Because you can't be talking about Kylo Ren as he was demonstrated clearly in the first film to not be a Sith lord and also was grievously wounded at the time she beat him (by doing the same trick Luke did at the end of Star Wars, clearing your mind and allowing the force to act through you).

A trick Luke had to learn from a Jedi instructor. Remind me again who instructed Rey, or was that another unlearnt Force skill she's displaying? I'm losing track of how many of those she has.



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 bullyboy wrote:
no Da Vanci Code,

Angels and Daemons.

That movie.

The book was decent enough so long as you switched your brain off a bit at some of the non historical elements. But as a movie? I really thought they'd gussy it up, but they didn't. They even dumbed it down a bit.

I think its important to realise that the Force isn't like it is in a computer game. It's not a case that you learn one skill and that's the only skill you can ever use because its the only one you put skill points into.

Instead its a more ethereal force and manipulation. So yes if you learn to move something with the Force you might well learn to move bigger things; but you might also learn other abilities alongside. Indeed the untrained is perhaps more likely to accidentally find these other tricks because they lack the mental training and discipline to remain focused on the one thing they do want to happen.

So an untrained or inexperienced "might" end up firing off "abilities" or manipulations they don't want, esp in the heat of a fight or highly emotional moment. Most untrained with a weaker connection might not even realise they did these things or the impact of them is so slight they don't cause any real effect.
For a highly force sensitive individual with a powerful connection these random draws likely do result in far more impact and effect.

Thing is its untrained and unasked for so what they do want to happen might not; but what they weren't expecting to happen can be of great enough magnitude to help them.



So I can believe that someone untrained, but very sensitive to the force, once they unlock the initial connection, could well advance faster and further in abilities even without training. Indeed without training they might well end up "wild" and uncontrolled. Even a danger to themselves and others. Training isn't just about learning how to do things, its about focusing the connection and getting it to do what you want when you want how you want.

Yeah the idea that Rey's progression is just like every other Force sensitive person we've seen in the films is demonstrably false. She's one of the most poorly written characters I've ever seen in any franchise.

Force-sensitive characters having a "trick" they can do with the Force without training was something that was established in the EU (before Darth Mouse purged it). Reliability tended to depend on the ability and whether the user tried to practice it.

Even with the simpler abilities, like Force Push/Pull would be, you might be able to use it in the heat of the moment when your emotions are high, but not when you're in a calmer state of mind. Arguably, that's because your subconscious is lightly using the Dark Side rather than the Light Side; power from emotion, rather than discipline.

However, even for such individuals, they'd need exposure and training to be able to pick up on how to manifest other abilities - and that's after they've learned how to safely manifest something they can already do - the Jedi Academy trilogy looks at this, for example, as does I, Jedi.

Even from a powerful bloodline, you don't end up with a "Random" button you can push to manifest Force Powers without training. Corran Horn, for example, starts off with an untrained ability to use Alter Mind - Ben Kenobi's trick - but without training from Luke and exercises to work on, he can't use it reliably and he can't manifest other powers.

The key thing is that he doesn't even know he's doing it the first couple of times it's described in the books - he just really doesn't want to be seen, and the power helps him just enough to get away with it. Once he knows he's force-sensitive, and tries to mind trick a Stormtrooper to help his allies without training, he gets shot in the gut instead...

Heck, from what I recall from the EU, even Luke doesn't randomly manifest new abilities without training - he has to track down holocrons and other training materials once Ghost Ben stops turning up.

Now, I've not seen TCAoLSbtCRJ or TRoS, so I don't know what training Rey is shown (or montage'd) to have had. But from what people are describing here, she power progression is well outside of the norms we see elsewhere - even from other protagonists.

Again, it's not a video game. Force push, force pull, force choke. Deflecting objects with the force. Lifting an x wing. These are not different powers. This is just a person using the force to reach out to influence the world around them since it exists all around them and within all things.

Influencing minds? It's the same thing to a different effect.

Force healing? It's just the same thing to a different effect.

Force Lightning? It's just the same thing to a different effect.

There isn't a list of force powers that a person in the world needs to invest in individually. There is just the force and your understanding of it that allows you to impose your will on it or you clearing your mind to allow the force to work through you.

You can't list the books you like that are no longer in cannon to justify your interpretation of it. The amount of books in the EU is vast with NO oversight. Books in the EU are not just out of canon. They are contradictory of each other. It's almost as bad as 40ks lore in terms of none of it being able to be used as a base line for anything.

Lets not forget Anakin was using the Force to Pod Race without any training. That's perhaps tapping into powers like precognition, reflexes and likely for his age a higher level of intelligence/capability to build things and have them work. Heck looking at the size and structure of the pod he built he might even draw on extra strength as well when not realising it.


Anakin stood out, Luke stood out a bit but not in the same way. Heck don't forget in the end fight he loses, he's not as experienced nor as powerful. Luke wasn't "destined" in the same way as Anakin. Rey is another like Anakin, destined and even designed to be empowered. So the idea that she can tap into the force far more easily makes sense.

It's within the realms of possibility within the setting that she can use the Force at a higher level with less training; even if its perhaps less focused/controlled and relies more heavily on a heightened emotional state of mind.


I would say its perhaps one of the more believable elements of the series of films. However I can appreciate that with the other faults it can all somewhat add up; the small faults appear bigger because they can be seen alongside other smaller and major faults.

 bbb wrote:


Arrival - it was interesting, and then, BOOM, time paradox

Admittedly it's a while since I've seen it, but there's no time paradox in the movie that I recall.

The time Amy Adams' character spends with the aliens is being told retrospectively, and she is given a certain degree of precognition as a result of that experience, but there's no time travel involved to generate a paradox?

The point is that, despite knowing about the ultimate failure of her relationship and loss of her daughter in advance, she chooses to proceed and embrace the happiness she will experience before that time. The aliens give her the gift of choice.

But I may be wrong like I said, it's been a year or two.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 bbb wrote:


Arrival - it was interesting, and then, BOOM, time paradox

Admittedly it's a while since I've seen it, but there's no time paradox in the movie that I recall.

The time Amy Adams' character spends with the aliens is being told retrospectively, and she is given a certain degree of precognition as a result of that experience, but there's no time travel involved to generate a paradox?

The point is that, despite knowing about the ultimate failure of her relationship and loss of her daughter in advance, she chooses to proceed and embrace the happiness she will experience before that time. The aliens give her the gift of choice.

But I may be wrong like I said, it's been a year or two.

She is only able to stop the chinese attack on the aliens because she knows the secret of the chinese general, and she only knows that because in the future he tells her. So she knows the secret to get him to stop before the event of her finding out said secret. That is transmission of information from the future lightcone into the past lightcone (i.e time travel), which breaks causality.

He only tells her in the future because she says it to him in the past. She only says it to him in the past because she knows how everything will lay out. Everything that will happen happens. She was always going to tell him and he was always going to explain to her why those words mattered. It's not a question of free will at that point. She knows the path of linear time and simply walks it because there is no other path.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 bbb wrote:


Arrival - it was interesting, and then, BOOM, time paradox

Admittedly it's a while since I've seen it, but there's no time paradox in the movie that I recall.

The time Amy Adams' character spends with the aliens is being told retrospectively, and she is given a certain degree of precognition as a result of that experience, but there's no time travel involved to generate a paradox?

The point is that, despite knowing about the ultimate failure of her relationship and loss of her daughter in advance, she chooses to proceed and embrace the happiness she will experience before that time. The aliens give her the gift of choice.

But I may be wrong like I said, it's been a year or two.

She is only able to stop the chinese attack on the aliens because she knows the secret of the chinese general, and she only knows that because in the future he tells her. So she knows the secret to get him to the stop before the event of her finding out said secret. That is transmission of information from the future lightcone into the past lightcone (i.e time travel), which breaks causality.

I haven’t seen the film, but from what I remember in the short story causality, and linear time as we experience it, is all an illusion caused by our limited perception of spacetime. She can’t change the future she sees, but at the same time there is no paradox with future revelations being part of the present because it is all simultaneous from another perception.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

I haven’t seen the film, but from what I remember in the short story causality, and linear time as we experience it, is all an illusion caused by our limited perception of spacetime. She can’t change the future she sees, but at the same time there is no paradox with future revelations being part of the present because it is all simultaneous from another perception.

Which is nice but it isn't how spacetime works. Spacetime interval is an invariant quantity from all reference frames, so if one reference frame measures the spacetime interval between two events as zero (the only definition of simultaneous which matters in relativity due to the variable nature of time and space from observer to observer), then all reference frames would do so. Also, the only way to achieve a spacetime interval of zero is to travel at the speed of light.

Also Also, if there were a reference frame where all events are occurring simultaneously, regardless of the position, motion of the observer etc. then that would be a universal reference frame which is a big no in relativity.

While it was infinitely better than "temple of doom" (Ugh) I must admit that Crystal skull was a so bad in places I literally could not believe what I was seeing.

Not just the fridge scene,but the "pouring gunpowder into the air to trace a magnetic field" bit, and the dust flowed around walls and corners. Good ghawd how could they have done that?!?!?

Seriously, that just goes against basic, everyday, familiar reality. Even if gunpowder floated in air and was drawn to a magnetic source it would go straight to it and plaster on the nearest wall between it and the source. You can't even suspend disbelief to make that scene work. The movie actually abused the audience by expecting them to just accept something that was just clearly wrong. Any kid who played with those cheap toys where you mover iron filings around with a magnet thru a clear plastic shield to put "hair" on a guy's face and head knows magnetism doesn't work like that....

As for the scene where the ants drag a russian into an anthill, by then I was actually kind of numb. All I could think was "At least it's better than the second one..."

Well, that is certainly a hot take where Crystal Skull isn't the worst of the Indiana Jones films

I think one of the most disappointing films I've seen recently was the Tomb Raider reboot film. They were handed what could have been a really good adventure film in the form of the reboot game. Just take the best set pieces from the game (such as the plane crash, that first encounter with the Oni etc.), trim down the plot a bit and tweak it to tie it together in a feature film length and job's done.

But no, they wasted minutes riding around London on bicycles, more minutes fighting around Hong Kong, stripped out all the extra characters like Sam, Roth and Noah, stripped out all of the epic set pieces and, to top it all off, also removed any supernatural elements from the story along with a huge change in the nature of Himiko which also destroys the idea of being trapped on the island in the first place.

So much wasted potential.

 Matt Swain wrote:
the "pouring gunpowder into the air to trace a magnetic field" bit, and the dust flowed around walls and corners. Good ghawd how could they have done that?!?!?

Seriously, that just goes against basic, everyday, familiar reality. Even if gunpowder floated in air and was drawn to a magnetic source it would go straight to it and plaster on the nearest wall between it and the source. You can't even suspend disbelief to make that scene work. The movie actually abused the audience by expecting them to just accept something that was just clearly wrong. Any kid who played with those cheap toys where you mover iron filings around with a magnet thru a clear plastic shield to put "hair" on a guy's face and head knows magnetism doesn't work like that.... [/i]

Y'know, if I could remember that scene I probably would have put Crystal Skull in this thread myself already. ...I must have blanked it out, or maybe the scene was so dumb it immediately killed all of my brain cells that witnessed it. Who knows?

 Overread wrote:

Anakin stood out, Luke stood out a bit but not in the same way. Heck don't forget in the end fight he loses, he's not as experienced nor as powerful. Luke wasn't "destined" in the same way as Anakin. Rey is another like Anakin, destined and even designed to be empowered. So the idea that she can tap into the force far more easily makes sense. .

Moreso, given her link with Kylo Ren. I would assume, now that the link is more fleshed out in the story, that a lot of her access to powers with no training is actually coming from the fact that he knows how to do those things, and she's drawing subconsciously on that knowledge.

 creeping-deth87 wrote:

Voss wrote:

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
No film disappointed me more than TFA. What was especially frustrating to me was that no one at all seemed to care that it was just ANH redux.

That was a major complaint for months after that film. I wouldn't say 'no one seemed to care.'

drop 'a force awakens rehash' into google. Everything from major entertainment sites to metacritic to comic book sites to reviews: Rehash, rehash, rehash.
First couple pages are mostly 2015/2016, but they continue onwards. Saying it is, arguing that it isn't, asking for polls about whether it is... people definitely cared about it being a rehash.

Reception was still overwhelmingly positive though, that's what I was getting at. TFA was a very well liked film at release. A lot of fans who liked it were cognizant that it was a remake and didn't give a damn, they loved it anyway.

I'm not sure I'd say it was widely loved, but it was widely accepted as the entry into a new trilogy that would lead to bigger and better things. I described it as 'being there to fill a hole, and filling a hole is rarely exciting'.

Which is what make the dumpster fire that is TLJ even more disappointing. Among other things, we wanted to know who had trained Rey and then wiped her memory of the training. The flashback vision of her in the rain before Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren made her being a survivor of Luke's students the leading theory, and her memories of being dumped on Jakku as a child were false.


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 Lance845 wrote:
Again, it's not a video game. Force push, force pull, force choke. Deflecting objects with the force. Lifting an x wing. These are not different powers. This is just a person using the force to reach out to influence the world around them since it exists all around them and within all things.

Influencing minds? It's the same thing to a different effect.

Force healing? It's just the same thing to a different effect.

Force Lightning? It's just the same thing to a different effect.

There isn't a list of force powers that a person in the world needs to invest in individually. There is just the force and your understanding of it that allows you to impose your will on it or you clearing your mind to allow the force to work through you.

You can't list the books you like that are no longer in cannon to justify your interpretation of it. The amount of books in the EU is vast with NO oversight. Books in the EU are not just out of canon. They are contradictory of each other. It's almost as bad as 40ks lore in terms of none of it being able to be used as a base line for anything.

Given the quality of the Disney movies is down there alongside the quality of the worst of the novels, I'll use whatever I want to argue the point that Rey is a Mary Sue and by definition of Mary Sue, VERY POORLY WRITTEN.

Want to fix the training issue? Have Rey holding an artifact that fans would identify as being from some past Jedi. Perhaps Asokha Tano's cloak. Establish that in her past she spent time with another Jedi even if she does not remember it and her being a prodigy in the force becomes MUCH easier to justify and you'd spare billions of hours of internet debates.


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 insaniak wrote:

 Overread wrote:

Anakin stood out, Luke stood out a bit but not in the same way. Heck don't forget in the end fight he loses, he's not as experienced nor as powerful. Luke wasn't "destined" in the same way as Anakin. Rey is another like Anakin, destined and even designed to be empowered. So the idea that she can tap into the force far more easily makes sense. .

Moreso, given her link with Kylo Ren. I would assume, now that the link is more fleshed out in the story, that a lot of her access to powers with no training is actually coming from the fact that he knows how to do those things, and she's drawing subconsciously on that knowledge.

Ah, yes, the 'force dyad'. Something never mentioned before as even being a possibility... and then being extremely poorly executed to boot.

 Vulcan wrote:

Ah, yes, the 'force dyad'. Something never mentioned before as even being a possibility... and then being extremely poorly executed to boot.

There are things in pretty much every sequel movie, in any franchise, that were not mentioned in the preceding movies. Hell, if you want to object to Star Wars movies including things that were never mentioned before, you'd see an awful lot fewer ships in ESB and RotJ.

As for being 'poorly executed', that's really going to come down to personal taste. For me, the way the Dyad developed over the three movies was one of the better things about the sequels, which I enjoyed overall. Clearly, YMMV.

 Matt Swain wrote:
While it was infinitely better than "temple of doom" (Ugh) I must admit that Crystal skull was a so bad in places I literally could not believe what I was seeing.

Not just the fridge scene,but the "pouring gunpowder into the air to trace a magnetic field" bit, and the dust flowed around walls and corners. Good ghawd how could they have done that?!?!?

Seriously, that just goes against basic, everyday, familiar reality. Even if gunpowder floated in air and was drawn to a magnetic source it would go straight to it and plaster on the nearest wall between it and the source. You can't even suspend disbelief to make that scene work. The movie actually abused the audience by expecting them to just accept something that was just clearly wrong. Any kid who played with those cheap toys where you mover iron filings around with a magnet thru a clear plastic shield to put "hair" on a guy's face and head knows magnetism doesn't work like that....

As for the scene where the ants drag a russian into an anthill, by then I was actually kind of numb. All I could think was "At least it's better than the second one..."

I...I cannot agree with your ranking. Temple of Doom didn’t have the bizarre monkey scene with the Barbara Walters filter, where Shia Leboeff swings faster than a car drives. Objectively, by all conceivable forms of measurement, that alone makes it superior to Crystal Skull. It’s just science. And also art. They both hate that movie.


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 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

I haven’t seen the film, but from what I remember in the short story causality, and linear time as we experience it, is all an illusion caused by our limited perception of spacetime. She can’t change the future she sees, but at the same time there is no paradox with future revelations being part of the present because it is all simultaneous from another perception.

Which is nice but it isn't how spacetime works. Spacetime interval is an invariant quantity from all reference frames, so if one reference frame measures the spacetime interval between two events as zero (the only definition of simultaneous which matters in relativity due to the variable nature of time and space from observer to observer), then all reference frames would do so. Also, the only way to achieve a spacetime interval of zero is to travel at the speed of light.

Also Also, if there were a reference frame where all events are occurring simultaneously, regardless of the position, motion of the observer etc. then that would be a universal reference frame which is a big no in relativity.

Yes, that’s what the specialists in the science fiction story falsely believed about the nature of their fictional universe. That (well, that and linguistics theory) is the point of the story. Our language shapes our universe; the aliens’ language causes such a change in perception that it shattered our model of the universe.

It’s like the time Paul Muad’dib told the Spacing Guild to look to the future and they were all, “that’s not how science works” and Paul’s all, “my genetic memory from my physicist great-great-great-grandfather says otherwise” and the gigantic biological entities that eats sand plankton or something and burns megacalories per second concluded, “stories have to be scientifically accurate, bro.”

Well, there is no time travel in Arrival.

Amy Adam's character can see the future or, more accurately, no longer views time as linear at all times. At least in regards to her own life since the full scope isn't established in either the short story or the movie. She doesn't change anything. That's kind of one of the major points of the both the film and the short story. Despite knowing the future she doesn't ever act against it. Regardless of what the future will bring. I'm quoting from the story story, second to last paragraph:

From the beginning I knew my destination, and I chose my route accordingly.

Another way to describe the ability that she develops is that she remembers what has already happened.

Here's a link to the story if anyone is interested. It's been up there since before the movie was released. http://www.kameli.net/~raimu/rnd/ted-chiang-story-of-your-life-2000.pdf

 Super Ready wrote:

 Matt Swain wrote:
the "pouring gunpowder into the air to trace a magnetic field" bit, and the dust flowed around walls and corners. Good ghawd how could they have done that?!?!?

Seriously, that just goes against basic, everyday, familiar reality. Even if gunpowder floated in air and was drawn to a magnetic source it would go straight to it and plaster on the nearest wall between it and the source. You can't even suspend disbelief to make that scene work. The movie actually abused the audience by expecting them to just accept something that was just clearly wrong. Any kid who played with those cheap toys where you mover iron filings around with a magnet thru a clear plastic shield to put "hair" on a guy's face and head knows magnetism doesn't work like that.... [/i]

Y'know, if I could remember that scene I probably would have put Crystal Skull in this thread myself already. ...I must have blanked it out, or maybe the scene was so dumb it immediately killed all of my brain cells that witnessed it. Who knows?

Hey, if I have to remember it, you have to.

https://youtu.be/RD7VWVtm97M

I wouldn't say I was disappointed by Arrival, I liked it - but I have a hard time wrapping my head around the ending. I mean, I get what they mean by nonlinear, but it's still hard for me to, you know, understand it.

I have the same problem with Dr. Manhattan. I can't abstract it out to understand it a different way.

The first "White Noise". God it was atrocious.

 Ouze wrote:
I wouldn't say I was disappointed by Arrival, I liked it - but I have a hard time wrapping my head around the ending. I mean, I get what they mean by nonlinear, but it's still hard for me to, you know, understand it.

I have the same problem with Dr. Manhattan. I can't abstract it out to understand it a different way.

No one understands it. We perceive time in a linear fashion and it's impossible for us to truly comprehend a nonlinear existence or perception of time.

It's similar IMO to the idea that the universe is expanding. Expanding into what? I can understand, on a purely intellectual level, that space is infinite, but I can't begin to comprehend it. Human existence is defined by limitations and endings. I can comprehend a balloon expanding because the area it's expanding it to is known quantity that has defined dimensions. Something undefined is too far removed from my existence to grasp it.

I'll expand on this even further. The issue of the limitation of human knowledge and understanding is a constant problem in speculative fiction. Alien logic only works as long as it remains unexplained. As soon those motives are explained in a way that humans can understand it destroys the mystique and the curtains are pulled down to reveal that the wizard behind the story is just a man. My go to case example is that The X-Files only works so long as the aliens remain unexplained, but this creates the issue that answers Mulder seeks will never revealed. It truly has to be a story where the journey and not the destination is the reward, but the general viewing audience isn't entirely fond of that. The Dark Tower series was, and I believe still is, controversial because of its . For some reason people expect closure in their media. I suppose its because there is no true closure in life and people want to escape from that, if only for a moment.

 Matt Swain wrote:

Hey, if I have to remember it, you have to.
https://youtu.be/RD7VWVtm97M

Remember what? ...wait, what just happened? Everything went dark for a minute there. Did I just... watch that video...?
I feel faint... think I need a lie down.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Well, that is certainly a hot take where Crystal Skull isn't the worst of the Indiana Jones films

I think one of the most disappointing films I've seen recently was the Tomb Raider reboot film. They were handed what could have been a really good adventure film in the form of the reboot game. Just take the best set pieces from the game (such as the plane crash, that first encounter with the Oni etc.), trim down the plot a bit and tweak it to tie it together in a feature film length and job's done.

But no, they wasted minutes riding around London on bicycles, more minutes fighting around Hong Kong, stripped out all the extra characters like Sam, Roth and Noah, stripped out all of the epic set pieces and, to top it all off, also removed any supernatural elements from the story along with a huge change in the nature of Himiko which also destroys the idea of being trapped on the island in the first place.

So much wasted potential.

Yeah, I hated it that they removed supernatrural from Tomb Raider universe for no reason. There has always been supernatural elements in Tomb Raider.
yes, this was another movie I was hopeful for and was disapointed. Why the director/writer always feels like he/she knows better than the source material? Make changes for just the sake of making changes? Bah.

Crystal Skull was indeed a huge disappointment. For me it wasn't just that the script was just randomly bad and then suddenly aliens (Indie was better with subtle magics than lol aliens); it was that Harrison was badly cast in the film. They sort of wanted him to be the old action hero, yet he's really not any more.

He did far better in Cowboys and Aliens as a grumpy old general turned rancher. In that film he fits the role because the character is already old so we don't expect wild flying through the air on whips and such. He's not trying to out-run bullets etc....

 Overread wrote:
Crystal Skull was indeed a huge disappointment. For me it wasn't just that the script was just randomly bad and then suddenly aliens (Indie was better with subtle magics than lol aliens); it was that Harrison was badly cast in the film. They sort of wanted him to be the old action hero, yet he's really not any more.

He did far better in Cowboys and Aliens as a grumpy old general turned rancher. In that film he fits the role because the character is already old so we don't expect wild flying through the air on whips and such. He's not trying to out-run bullets etc....

We need a film with Tommy Lee Jones and Harrison Ford being grumpy country folk at each other.