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BobtheInquisitor wrote: The Force Awakens was a huge disappointment for me, but not because the film was so mediocre. I was disappointed by how many people couldn’t see that it was mediocre. With all the live that movie received, I felt like was taking crazy pills while wearing They Live sunglasses.
I honestly have to say his abominations with star trek names plastered onto his plot were worse than his star wars movies.
I guess now I'll be getting hit with phasers and photon torpedoes on one side and turbolasers and proton torpedoes on the other by enraged fans of both franchises now.
"But the universe is a big place, and whatever happens, you will not be missed..."
I guess now I'll be getting hit with phasers and photon torpedoes on one side and turbolasers and proton torpedoes on the other by enraged fans of both franchises now.
Why? As a fan of both franchises, I enjoyed JJ's Trek movies, and I enjoyed his Star Wars movies, despite their flaws... because I didn't go into any of them expecting them to be anything other than what they are. And what they are is a hell of a lot of fun. Your mileage may (and clearly does) vary.
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Honestly, there are more TV shows that come to mind than movies. Movies I usually know are going to be stinkers before I get to them usually, while TV shows often start out great but fail at the very end. There are some good ones mentioned in here already however.
Star Wars Ep 7 and 8 for sure (haven't seen 9, not because I'm actively avoiding it, but I just have no desire to go out of my way to watch it after 7 and 8), likewise the JJ Treks as mentioned.
Fury was a disappointing one. That movie sounded so cool, it was hyped for its historical accuracy and realism, they even got a real Tiger tank for it, and it basically turned out to be a retextured Rambo 2 with Brad Pitt still thinking he was on set for Inglorious Basterds. That one ended up being physically painful to watch.
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BobtheInquisitor wrote: The Force Awakens was a huge disappointment for me, but not because the film was so mediocre. I was disappointed by how many people couldn’t see that it was mediocre. With all the live that movie received, I felt like was taking crazy pills while wearing They Live sunglasses.
I honestly have to say his abominations with star trek names plastered onto his plot were worse than his star wars movies.
I guess now I'll be getting hit with phasers and photon torpedoes on one side and turbolasers and proton torpedoes on the other by enraged fans of both franchises now.
I thought the first JJ Trek was dumb yet fun the way a 90’s action movie could be dumb yet fun. Star Trek Into Darkness was just cynical in its stupidity. It made it clear that the problem wasn’t just that JJ didn’t get the franchise, but that he didn’t care.
Star Trek Beyond was pretty good considering how much baggage it carried from the first two.
Jadenim wrote: Tenet; I was so looking forward to another cool, slick sci-fi thriller like Inception, but the plot exposition was poor and marred by the worst sound editing I have ever experienced. I was literally sat there wishing I could turn the subtitles on!
I assume you saw this at the cinema? I'd consider watching a Blu-ray/DVD release later, unless the plot was that poor.
I've found cinemas to be somewhat lacking in accommodating unusual sound design choices, and some of Nolan's previous films are good examples (Batman Begins springs to mind).
Yes, my one and only socially distant cinema trip so far. The plot is actually fine, once you get to the end of the film and can figure out what just happened, the cinematography is great, the cast is good, but when you’ve got a fairly complex, timey-wimey plot being explained by people wearing gas masks with the classic Nolan “bwarming” music riding straight over the top and no attempt to balance the levels, it becomes impossible to follow. Not the cinemas fault, there’s been a lot of complaints about it, including Mark Kermode’s review. Such a shame, because it should have been an amazing action thriller.
nels1031 wrote:2004’s Alexander.
I think I mentioned it here before, but its pretty impressive that they took one of histories great conquerors and made a movie as exciting as a Trigonometry class.
Oh, I forgot about this. Can’t really add anything to your comment, because you’ve absolutely nailed it.
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BobtheInquisitor wrote: The Force Awakens was a huge disappointment for me, but not because the film was so mediocre. I was disappointed by how many people couldn’t see that it was mediocre. With all the live that movie received, I felt like was taking crazy pills while wearing They Live sunglasses.
I honestly have to say his abominations with star trek names plastered onto his plot were worse than his star wars movies.
I guess now I'll be getting hit with phasers and photon torpedoes on one side and turbolasers and proton torpedoes on the other by enraged fans of both franchises now.
I thought the first JJ Trek was dumb yet fun the way a 90’s action movie could be dumb yet fun. Star Trek Into Darkness was just cynical in its stupidity. It made it clear that the problem wasn’t just that JJ didn’t get the franchise, but that he didn’t care.
Star Trek Beyond was pretty good considering how much baggage it carried from the first two.
I agree - the first one I thought was a nice re-fresh of the original cast. It was Trek, minus the thinking bit, at three times the pace and additional action scenes. I think you could forgive it for not being Trek (and I think a lot of hard-core Trek fans did) because it was a well made film.
The sequel was horrendous (not sure what happened there) and the third film I think hit it's zenith with the ship maneuvering and destroying the enemy ships with the power of the Beastie Boys. At this point Gene Roddenberry's body must have been doing full 360s in his grave, it would have seemed OTT even in Star Wars.
I have to say I found Hateful Eight and Inglorious Bastards to maybe be the most disappointing movies I've ever watched. Both looked amazing from their trailers. Both were from a director who knows how to put a good movie together.
Both were complete and utter gak, imo. Especially Hateful Eight. I can't fathom who would want to watch a director's cut with an extra 40 minutes of freaking awful, but they sell it.
I didn't have an issue with AbramsTrek. At this point I think it's more of a groupthink hipster joiner thing now to rag on it. "You can't be a nonconformist if you don't drink coffee... er, I mean hate AbramsTrek."
nels1031 wrote:2004’s Alexander.
I think I mentioned it here before, but its pretty impressive that they took one of histories great conquerors and made a movie as exciting as a Trigonometry class.
"Hey, you know that king famous for NEVER losing a battle? Let's show him losing battles."
OR
"We could accurately show you combat scenes such as the siege of Tyre or that awesome way that Alexander killed a combatant with a broken spear shaft after his shield arm had gotten pinned to the inside of his chariot by that same spear and the person who threw it dove onto the chariot to finish the job, OR we could spend 2/3 of the movie making sure you know beyond a shadow of a doubt exactly how gay everyone was." We already knew how gay everyone was, so there was no massive revelation. What is unforgivable is how certain scenes were filmed either destroying the context of the moment or butchering the facts outright. The tone of the "cross the table" line is a massive one.
Also, does it have to be one that you went in with high hopes? What about one that you were neutral on and was so bad it made you actively avoid cinema for a few months? If THAT applies, I'd like to nominate "Liebestraum"
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Not the most disappointing in history but since it's the only movie I've seen in theatres since february, and probably the last one for 2020, I list it here: TENET.
What a mess: illogic and over-complicated plot, awful visual effects, bad acting performances.
By far the worst Nolan movie ever. Cast was also pretty low, with Debicki as the only decent actress in that movie.
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Both were complete and utter gak, imo. Especially Hateful Eight.
I thought about mentioning this one too. I don't particularly like Tarantino's work so didn't expect anything before seeing it. The first half of the film is utterly brilliant mood and character building. By the half way point I'm thinking this is amazing.
Then the second half of complete gak. All the good work of the first half undone and more by the wretched shallow nothingness of a director who hasn't got the talent or ideas to finish a story.
Granted, I don’t hold the other two in the common reverence, but this one was just daft.
First, we see a knackered, clapped out Bruce Wayne, who has a super gammy knee due to his years of beating up the poor and vulnerable.
OK. That’s pretty sweet. Helps continue the theme of Batman being Just A Human.
Then, we see the badass knee brace to remedy said super gammy knee. Which allows someone who is, at that point, not terribly far off a cripple, to do this to a brick wall.
Pretty sweet huh? Except......it just doesn’t get referred to again.
Use it against Bane, give him an equally super gammy knee, then perhaps a tupenny one up the bracket? Heck, just boot him in the shin, playground style and shatter that bone.
But no.
Then, with his knee brace removed? TRAP DOOR PARKOUR! A feat only Bane has previously achieved......I mean....shyeah, right!
Finally....Gotham. A US city held to ransom by criminals, and nobody else tries to intervene?
Standard caveat - you enjoy your preferred films, gentle Dakkanauts. I’m having a pop at a film I found disappointing.
Oh, and Spider-Man 3. Really don’t think I need to say much more there.
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Granted, I don’t hold the other two in the common reverence, but this one was just daft.
First, we see a knackered, clapped out Bruce Wayne, who has a super gammy knee due to his years of beating up the poor and vulnerable.
OK. That’s pretty sweet. Helps continue the theme of Batman being Just A Human.
Then, we see the badass knee brace to remedy said super gammy knee. Which allows someone who is, at that point, not terribly far off a cripple, to do this to a brick wall.
Pretty sweet huh? Except......it just doesn’t get referred to again.
Use it against Bane, give him an equally super gammy knee, then perhaps a tupenny one up the bracket? Heck, just boot him in the shin, playground style and shatter that bone.
But no.
Then, with his knee brace removed? TRAP DOOR PARKOUR! A feat only Bane has previously achieved......I mean....shyeah, right!
Finally....Gotham. A US city held to ransom by criminals, and nobody else tries to intervene?
Standard caveat - you enjoy your preferred films, gentle Dakkanauts. I’m having a pop at a film I found disappointing.
Oh, and Spider-Man 3. Really don’t think I need to say much more there.
I know it was hard to care watching DKR but it was Talia who got out of the pit/prison thing (where once you're at the top you can just walk off - can't friends turn up with a rope ladder or winch?). The writer was trying to be clever and use the old switcheroo.
But that movie's one redeeming thing was that the villain was copying the 60's TV show by taking over the city....
That film has no redeeming qualities what so ever.
In my opinion of course.
Out of interest did you watch it in the cinema (IMAX etc?)
As an 'experience' I thought it was one of the best I have had at a cinema - up there with Gravity - and I haven't ever seen people coming out of the cinema and grinning like idiots in the same way before or since.
Had my experience of that film been on a flat screen (especially as it was hyped) it might have been different however.
nfe wrote:I'm generally pretty good at managing my expectations but I let myself get pretty hyped for Prometheus and was extremely disappointed.
Yes me too.. I thought probably the best of the Alien films after Aliens, but then that isn't a massive statement of quality!
Trying to think of others, but as peeps familiar with my mental mind vomit on Dakka, I’m pretty easily pleased, and rarely terribly critical of, well, anything unless I really didn’t enjoy it.
And even then, I tend to outright just not watch stuff I really don’t have expectations for.
Though stretching things a bit? Terminator Genisys. Overall I enjoyed it, and it had some pretty interesting ideas (particularly liked the T-1000 take down). My biggest disappointment were the reviews. They all struck me more as someone who had decided the film was rubbish, then decided to watch it and find reasons why. I guess it’s just I object to reviewers watching anything with pre-conceived notions, one way or the other. Just as much as I object to accusations reviewers are paid off just because they enjoyed something someone else didn’t.
The net result was (whilst imperfect), it was unfairly slated in my opinion. Such comments included things such as “herp de derp plurrrtyhurrrrls -when they were more plot hooks intended to be explained in sequels.
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Just Tony wrote: Val Kilmer was a way better Bruce OR Batman than Bale
This could be a topic all on it's own...
The way I see it:
Kilmer was pretty credible as Batman but not really as Bruce Wayne.
Clooney was pretty credible as Bruce Wayne but not really as Batman. Suffered more from Batman And Robin being generally diabolically bad.
Bale is very much in the Kilmer camp - better as Batman.
That film has no redeeming qualities what so ever.
In my opinion of course.
Out of interest did you watch it in the cinema (IMAX etc?)
As an 'experience' I thought it was one of the best I have had at a cinema - up there with Gravity - and I haven't ever seen people coming out of the cinema and grinning like idiots in the same way before or since.
I saw a 3D version at a regular Hoyts in Australia. The story was pants and the 3d gimmick wore off in 5 minutes. Ever since then I've always opted to see the 2D version of a movie. Maybe it should've been 'IMAX only' - then I wouldn't have seen it! As an 'experience' I was glad when it was over. We certainly weren't grinning.
Just Tony wrote: Val Kilmer was a way better Bruce OR Batman than Bale
Yes.
1) He's the most lethal Batman besides Batflek.
2) He's the most lethal Batman who kills on accident. He blows up the entire ninja house in Begins on accident which kills all the ninjas except Ras including the guy he didn't want to kill. He throws 2 more ninjas off a roof by leaping at them in Begins. He accidentally throws 2 face off a building. He causes the accident that kills Talia. Says "no guns" and then flys around in a flying box shooting rockets all over the city.
3) He is the biggest idiot out of every Batman on screen cartoon or otherwise. He gets explained the plot of the movie by the bad guy at the end of every movie. He figures out nothing on his own. He has to be told every clue more or less after the fact.
4) the Dumb as feth voice.
What exactly is GOOD about Bale Batman?
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Captain America Civil War: Captain America didnt get his third movie, instead it got pushed into Avengers 2.5 That dealt with, among other characters, Black Panther and Scarlett Witch, who had more of an arc than cap.
IT: Chapter 2 really bummed me out, it seemed like it was meandering for most of the entire movie, and the noble suicide at the end, pissed me off.
Just Tony wrote: Val Kilmer was a way better Bruce OR Batman than Bale
This could be a topic all on it's own...
The way I see it:
Kilmer was pretty credible as Batman but not really as Bruce Wayne.
Clooney was pretty credible as Bruce Wayne but not really as Batman. Suffered more from Batman And Robin being generally diabolically bad.
Bale is very much in the Kilmer camp - better as Batman.
Michael Keaton was the best
Adam West 4 Life, yo!
Anyway, I was really looking forward to watching Starcrash as it had been mentioned as being really silly fun. I tried watching it 6 times, but fell asleep each time. The 7th time was the charm. Even watching it with MST3K version, I fell asleep during it!
That was disappointing TO ME.
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Alright, we're really doing this are we? From best to worst:
Movie Batmen:
Ben Affleck (YES I WENT THERE)
Michael Keaton
Christian Bale
Val Kilmer
George Clooney
Movie Bruce Waynes:
Christian Bale
Michael Keaton
George Clooney
Ben Affleck
Val Kilmer
Tellingly, I don't feel that any of them made for a particularly bad Bruce Wayne. We're talking Kilmer being a 7/10 even at the bottom of that list.
*ahem* getting somewhat back on topic. I enjoyed DKR, but I do definitely understand that its sticking points were enough to put some off. Particularly the miracle recoveries - not just his leg, but his back later too. Gotta be the dodgiest chiropractor I've ever seen, that's for sure...
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"Hard pressed on my right. My centre is yielding. Impossible to manoeuvre. Situation excellent. I am attacking." - General Ferdinand Foch
OK, going to go back a ways... I will have to say that I am pretty easily entertained and can suspend belief for 'movie plots', but the one move I was sorely disappointed in while getting very amped up for was Spielberg's Raiders II Temple of Doom - good lord, truly disappointing...
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"Hard pressed on my right. My centre is yielding. Impossible to manoeuvre. Situation excellent. I am attacking." - General Ferdinand Foch