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tneva82 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
No hard Brexit.
Let's see what this means for the UK industries.

Uuh...this was about hardest brexit possible short of no deal.

Trade has non-tarif barriers now which are real killers(tarif is more clickbaity since it's easier to understand). Whole service section wasn't even covered so uk service market(biggest market in uk btw) got nothing. Banks lost banking passport. No erasmus, lost full access to security databases, no military grade galileo system.

You can only call this non-hard brexit if you　have no idea what it contains and think only no deal is　hard brexit.

This was super thin deal. Which threw most profitable trade of uk under bus for fish. Gues good if you want uk to be nation of fisherman rather than bankers etc service sector.

This may be the UK point of view. UK will end up poorer but get the ''freedom'' they wanted.
From the EU point of view the best is: no tariff and no quotas.

The trouble we have with dear old BJ and his ilk is that they put off any other alternative for years and thought they'd be able to swindle something right at the end as if that's a good method of running a country successfully. To my mind the only reason we've limped out with this unbelievably tattered rag of excrement that is called a deal is that utter balls up with the lorries at Dover finally drilled home into their thick privately educated brains that no deal would have been a lot harder than they thought.
Surprising that individual EU member states could happily close their borders at any time because they're sovereign states eh?
Almost like this whole thing is utterly utterly pointless.

Still for people in the EU wanting GW items this is probably the best news tariff wise.

 Da Boss wrote:
I want a federal Europe! Absolutely do.

And this is why we chose to leave.

Indeed. I singlehandedly caused Brexit! Which is cool, because my hometown of Rosslare is getting a bunch of new ferries out of it after years of decline. So it worked out for me too!

Still for people in the EU wanting GW items this is probably the best news tariff wise.

Seconded.
Other goods from UK, probably not unless you want a Mini.

Bayonet&Ricochet wrote:... And a lot fo the stuff just ends up on online for free. Discouraging artists from putting a digital copy online

One of the reasons I will only sell limited STL files online is because it will be ripped off and I won't get paid for it once it ends up on an STL 3D dumpsite. .

It's also essentially like planned obsolescence what happens when everyone has all the STL files they can afford? The market dies.

...

I've heard this a number of times now, printing will kill itself off due to piracy. Yet there are tons of other creative industries, far more heavily pirated and they still continue to release new items and make money. Even the current wargaming market is very heavily pirated and yet some of those companies are doing better than ever.

And to what happens when everyone has all the STLs they can afford? People will just buy new ones. I'm sure a very high percentage of people collecting warhammer have just about everything they will ever need to keep playing for the rest of their lives and some, yet they still continue to buy new releases, more rapidly than ever.

Olthannon wrote:GW have come out today to say that EU prices won't go up.

"Good news – Warhammer fans in the EU won’t have to pay more for our products in-store or online as we head into the new year. While the details of the UK’s future relationship with the EU are still being worked out, Games Workshop will shoulder any customs and duties fees that apply to your order."

I'm not sure this is really good news. Whilst the predicted import fees from the UK to just over the road to Ireland alone are obscene, GW isn't going to shoulder the cost without raising the prices for long. They already charge EU prices for items which never match the exchange rate. Not only that, but I don't think GW get a say in what An Post charge as their admin fee for dealing with imports. It's around €10 on top of other import charges right now, though I've been lucky and not once been charged for any import here yet. Whilst its not as high as some places, its still more cost on top.

The problems will mostly calm down by the end of next year, I'm sure. It will just be another part of online ordering we all grow accustomed too. But you only have to look back a few years when GW stopped allowing independents from posting to other countries. I fully expect them to do the same to Ireland within three months or so next year.

I've prepared for the worse, I've brought a ridiculous amount of stuff in the past 6 months so even if I sat down to paint everyday next year (which won't happen as it's my last term and I'll be finishing my thesis) I'd not be able to paint it all. Plus stocked up on bases, grasses, glues and all the trimmings. I've always brought paint in huge batches, I spend a lot of time at home and hate running out. My group & I also got sick of the book/meta/edition chase from GW and we picked an edition for each of the games we play and decided to stick with it. Not only are we all saving a lot of money but we are going to get proper use out of GW books now. We just don't see the need for buying into each new edition when we don't play enough as it is.

I've a ton of points/money off vouchers for use with an independent and I'll probably blow the lot on a huge batch of start collecting kits (which from the looks of it, GW is starting to phase out) sometime this week. I'm hoping that it will avoid the import charges but I've calculated an amount that even if I paid the rumoured costs, its still a bargain. The start collecting kits are still good value with the 20% or so off and they shouldn't really loose too much value should I sit on them too long and decide that I don't want to use them in the end, but its better than having all that money off at the store and it going to waste.

Trouble is, it's not going to help the hobby overall. I'm not the only one that's done this and though the stores are probably enjoying the current panic buying over the last month, many of us have no reason to buy for a long time after now. The lad I ordered grass tufts from probably thought all his Christmas's came at once, but I doubt I'll order a single thing for years now. I'm sure many of the stores will get buy, but we might see many of them collapse next year, especially the smaller ones that can't or won't pay the cost of having all the forms done for being able to post out of the UK.

tneva82 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
No hard Brexit.
Let's see what this means for the UK industries.

....This was super thin deal. Which threw most profitable trade of uk under bus for fish. Gues good if you want uk to be nation of fisherman rather than bankers etc service sector.

Except the fishing industry over here are calling it a betrayal. It's a joke really, but the press over here lapped up Johnson as some sort of hero blessing us all with a Christmas gift of a good deal.

It's basically the nautical equivalent of clinging to a bit of flotsam after scuttling the ship.

 r_squared wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
No hard Brexit.
Let's see what this means for the UK industries.

....This was super thin deal. Which threw most profitable trade of uk under bus for fish. Gues good if you want uk to be nation of fisherman rather than bankers etc service sector.

Except the fishing industry over here are calling it a betrayal. It's a joke really, but the press over here lapped up Johnson as some sort of hero blessing us all with a Christmas gift of a good deal.

It's basically the nautical equivalent of clinging to a bit of flotsam after scuttling the ship.

Its a different kind of perception.
Even the deal for the fishing industry is not so bad from the EU perspective.
The rest what r_squared sayed is alarming for UK.

Fun fun fun. Trump could learn thing or two about building walls from bj. Bj at least created wall that already has an effect.

It'll be fine. Some of the Cabinets chums from Eton and Oxbridge will roll.into the gap in the import/export and,.for a very modest fee I'm sure, smooth over any taxation and registration issues...

tneva82 wrote:
Fun fun fun. Trump could learn thing or two about building walls from bj. Bj at least created wall that already has an effect.

holly feth, is that WTO approvable even`?
I mean, WTF?

tneva82 wrote:
Fun fun fun. Trump could learn thing or two about building walls from bj. Bj at least created wall that already has an effect.

Source for this is Dutch Bike Bits, BTW, since people might not believe this is really happening. They have included a link to the page on the UK government website detailing the (utterly stupid) new system.

It's everywhere.
My 3D printer's website lists this:
"We don't temporarily accept orders to the UK due to the Brexit situation."
This is from the Czech Republic.
I don't blame them at all.

 Duskweaver wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Fun fun fun. Trump could learn thing or two about building walls from bj. Bj at least created wall that already has an effect.

Source for this is Dutch Bike Bits, BTW, since people might not believe this is really happening. They have included a link to the page on the UK government website detailing the (utterly stupid) new system.

Jesus fething christ, way to go and shoot your own economy.
Actually more like quartering..

Yeah, this is taking back control apparently.

There's
a. Taking your ball and going home,
and there's
b. Letting everyone else play, after you've house-ruled a bit.

Did anyone vote for plan A?

The more concerning part of this is for goods that are part of supply chains for larger products. Seems crazy that this sort of issue would impact them given how interconnected supply chains are.

I hope all the talented producers in the UK are going to be okay.

Further tightening of Lockdown rules in England being televised at 8pm. Scotland going full Stay At Home via law as of midnight.

The vaccines cannot get my body fast enough.

Another fun result. At least for while made in uk bicycle parts won't be sold to uk due to brexit. At least this　is fixable by company changing production procedure(so far parts produced, then　shipped to global distribution in　italy and from there to buyers...you see the issue. Another option　is to transfer factory to italy. Italian company anyway). But yeah crazy system. Seems uk wasn't able to find predicted 50k custom official needed...imagine every country doing this. Oh and store doing the　paperwork needed costs sum that's not insignificant for small companies.

For me in finland purchases from uk gets　hit by 24% hike. Makes 20% discount　uk stores not really option. Getting hit　by vat(is that doubie taxing? I presume uk store price includes uk vap) hurts


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Further tightening of Lockdown rules in England being televised at 8pm. Scotland going full Stay At Home via law as of midnight.

The vaccines cannot get my body fast enough.

Yep. Too bad most miniature players likely way below in queue.

Wonder if new rules will close gw again? Hard to tighten more than tier4 without forcing non-essential　work to close for a while?