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habedekrai37 wrote:
Hi fellow princeps, a rules question and a tact question:

1. The stratagem "Warp Displacement" is played "In any phase"... Can it really be played at any time? So e.g. in the Movement phase, after an charging enemy Titan has moved, but before it attacks as part of its charge-order?

2. The Loyalists especially have Wargear, a psi titan, and the mutations of the corrupted titans make the command value worse... Nevertheless, I see the traitors as having a slight advantage in balancing, what do you think?

greetings

1. It doesn't interrupt other's activations

2. Correct, having a disadvantage for command isn't much of a disadvantage if the corruption/mutation enables the titan to say auto pass command for charge orde, psi titans are very strong but it's not a great balance between the two, it gets even sillier when you consider custom traitor legions with corruptions/mutations.

1. It doesn't interrupt other's activations

sounds plausible, thank you!

2. Correct, having a disadvantage for command isn't much of a disadvantage if the corruption/mutation enables the titan to say auto pass command for charge orde, psi titans are very strong but it's not a great balance between the two, it gets even sillier when you consider custom traitor legions with corruptions/mutations.

I agree with the assessment, but more because of the possible combinations. From my point of view, what you describe is a circular argument: the mutations only make the command value worse. The advantage you describe is partly only necessary due to the mutation (formulated somewhat pointedly).And Orders like emergency repair or full stride become less reliable. also: there is only the base mutation "Overwhelming Rage", according to which a charge order does not require a command check. And then you can choose neither Preternatural Grace nor frozen soul.

In my opinion, the penalty to the command value should not be underestimated. Commanding a Warhound with two or more mutations will hardly be reliably possible, and the number of orders that get through will be reduced, since the probability of failing a test is higher. In my opinion, traitors also force you to do melee combat, which I also think is more demanding and dangerous than long-range combat.

So again: I also see the traitors a little at an advantage, but only a little.

@Loyalist players: I've been playing traitors since the alliance rules existed, so I don't have an overview: are there any dirty combinations for loyalists? For example with the Hunter shells?

Yeah but you only need corrupt to the extent you want for the desired purpose, the close combat example with a cc reaver, doesn't really need any more mutations if it can guarantee getting a charge off.

Also understand the mutations/corruptions don't just exist in a vacuum, when combined with say custom legio rules, which have traits that also auto pass or give leadership buff for certain orders like -2 to full stride or in the case of vanguard fighters trait, automatic first fire or full stride. Also custom legio has some pretty nasty wargear too. Granted custom legios is available to both sides.

There are also maniple abilities/traits that can help mitigate command issues like axiom.

Traitors are at a larger advantage overall because most don't even see the need to model the corruptions/mutations so you really can just take only what you want and nothing more. There's plenty of room for thematic stuff and cool models but like nothing is forcing traitor players in terms of rules to invest a lot in the corruptions/mutations. One can often just take the obvious ones like frozen soul or auto pass charge one, it can also get a bit silly how many you can give to larger titans in high point games.

The loyalists aren't helpless, the psi titan is quite powerful and performs really well, but it's just not a great balance between the two factions, one having a sort of broken expensive big titan with beam and powers, the other having a lot of cool upgrades that may or may not have to be modelled depending on if your opponents care about he modelling side of things. Also if we ever see rules for the corrupted knights, it will be one more thing traitors have that loyalists don't assuming they get some upgrades in the form of corruption/mutations that work in a similar way. I kinda feel like it'd be nice for loyaylist to also get some more upgrades/wargear, perhaps not as robust as the corruption/mutations but even a collection of like 0-1 relics would help a bit.

One added complication is it's easy to just say your legio is traitor for the purposes of matched play/tournament, if 2/3 or 3/4 of players are conveniently playing as traitors to use mutations/corruptions it may be indicative of them just being better overall for list building than a psi titan.

Definitely, I hope GW releases some more for AT before actually re-launching Epic. I don't even think the loyalist wargear is bad (Vortex Pay-load, Plasmatic Blinders, Hunter Shells) but more would not be cool.

@Psi-Titans: Interesting, I haven't seen the Warlord Sinister in action yet, but I also think that it's too expensive for small games, especially because of the auxiliary rule. The note in the Loyalist book: "Each Psi-Titan has access to Psychic Powers, the nature of each is dependent on the Titan's class and is described in detail in its relevant supplement." Let's hope that other Psi -Titans are coming.

@corrupted Knights: wow, that sounds exciting, but I haven't heard anything about that!

@Custom legios: ok, they're not allowed in my group, there's probably too much nonsense possible

habedekrai37 wrote:
Definitely, I hope GW releases some more for AT before actually re-launching Epic. I don't even think the loyalist wargear is bad (Vortex Pay-load, Plasmatic Blinders, Hunter Shells) but more would not be cool.

@Psi-Titans: Interesting, I haven't seen the Warlord Sinister in action yet, but I also think that it's too expensive for small games, especially because of the auxiliary rule. The note in the Loyalist book: "Each Psi-Titan has access to Psychic Powers, the nature of each is dependent on the Titan's class and is described in detail in its relevant supplement." Let's hope that other Psi -Titans are coming.

@corrupted Knights: wow, that sounds exciting, but I haven't heard anything about that!

@Custom legios: ok, they're not allowed in my group, there's probably too much nonsense possible

The psychic powers replace orders but they're very very good. As cool as it would be to get more psi models, for the game I don't think it would help much. If something changes that forces traitors to invest more in corruptions/mutations it might make sense, but even then, you've got units vs upgrades, the latter is always sorta better in terms of introducing options and replicability, a psi reaver or hound might be cool but seems more niche.


They've mentioned corrupted knights in a few books, my hope is they also give some love to normal knights, right now its tough to invest too many points in them, especially because unlike titans you can't really upgrade their resilience at all. Also might be a chance to fix the acastus.

Custom legios aren't too bad, its a system where you have traits, custom stratagems and custom wargear/upgrades. You get 4 picks but max 2 from any catagory, it is common to see 2 traits/2 custom upgrades but apart from a few contentious options it's still a decently simple system that's actually good for counts as stuff like orks or eldar. I do think it goes to far to do both custom legio and corruptions/mutations but one or the other is fine IMO.

Hi,

a rules and a tactics question, dear Priniceps:

1. Can you combine Ursus Claws with the "Experimental Weapon" stratagem and give the claw "Maximum fire"?

2. Is there a way to increase the power of the Direwolf's neutron laser?

habedekrai37 wrote:
Hi,

a rules and a tactics question, dear Priniceps:

1. Can you combine Ursus Claws with the "Experimental Weapon" stratagem and give the claw "Maximum fire"?

2. Is there a way to increase the power of the Direwolf's neutron laser?

1 Not sure, strats are a bit weird, that one specifically existed before universal titan upgrades, so it also has all the language of when you have to apply/designate it.

2 If you put it in a maniple and put a princeps seniores in it, you can give it a trait that would allow it a single re-roll to hit or save per round, can make a big difference when you'e only got a one shot weapon.

There is no mechanical reason why the Claws would not interact with Maximal Fire. MF gives you +2 Str on the weapon and Impale rule tells you to roll a d6 + the weapon's Str. So yeah, feel free to paint a target on that poor Hound and try to down someone with their awesome experimental turbo-claws before you get shot to bits

many thanks for the feedback!

@Sherrypie:

haha maybe in a canis maniple? We mostly play quite small games with a lot of view-blocking terrain, so it might be difficult for the enemy to focus the fire on the target warhound?!