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If only this were actually true lol. I guess like, just try to never google what percentage of CEOs come from households that made more than a million dollars a year?
It's not usually direct nepotism, though there are some pretty obviously high profile examples of cartoonish nepotism in the world today with people whose qualification is "my daddy is the boss" but it's almost always "five members of the board are my daddy's country club buddies and they personally vouched for me having done such a good job chatting them up at our gala luncheons so I got the job."
My uncles build and worked in the same transport company since the 80s, when my older uncle got his second heart attack, his brother thought he would be running the company, but my older uncle used some lawyer tricks and made the boss my cousin who was 24 at the time and working as a driver. My uncle couldn't stand it, plus my cousin acted real bad against him. so he left to this day both part of our families don't talk to each other, although I must say that this is mostly because of the aunts who. Aunt Halina even went that far that when our grandfather died, she didn't inform uncle Leon and his family, and if my mom didn't call him, they wouldn't be on the funeral. Then durning christmas last year durning the fest of Jordan my aunts started to beat each other up, and now they have to go to two different churchs. Nepotism always ends bad, just as making buissness with family or friends.
Can I just say that you have the best stories?
I don't really know what to say beyond that. They're just so unexpected and bonkers.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: I actually don't mind Custodes. Sure you can hate on the lore but one thing they offer is a totally different design space after Marines equivalents and Nobz and such, and that's something to consider.
They needed 5 wounds to give more design space. They should have more wounds than a grotesque anyway.
Another +1 to Karol -- I don't always agree with your takes on the game, man, but you sure keep it interesting on here. Long may you run, and keep the anecdotes coming, it's actually a good way to think things through.
SoB - I don't think they add much to the setting that can't be accomplished with IG, thematically, and their playerbase is just the worst.
Loyalist Astartes supplements - The faction just needs to be simplified. Minimize the differences between different loyalist Astartes chapters, have them all in one codex.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: I actually don't mind Custodes. Sure you can hate on the lore but one thing they offer is a totally different design space after Marines equivalents and Nobz and such, and that's something to consider.
They needed 5 wounds to give more design space. They should have more wounds than a grotesque anyway.
Honestly the best way to increase design space is to start using the D8 but that's like sunlight to the vampires that defend the D6 here.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And maybe W4 for Custodes. 5 shows they basically shrug off a Lascannon outside the Invul more than half the time and I don't really want that.
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CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: I actually don't mind Custodes. Sure you can hate on the lore but one thing they offer is a totally different design space after Marines equivalents and Nobz and such, and that's something to consider.
They needed 5 wounds to give more design space. They should have more wounds than a grotesque anyway.
Honestly the best way to increase design space is to start using the D8 but that's like sunlight to the vampires that defend the D6 here.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And maybe W4 for Custodes. 5 shows they basically shrug off a Lascannon outside the Invul more than half the time and I don't really want that.
That seems like a problem with the lascannon to me. Given the description of Custodes, they should completely outclass a Grotesque.
In a nutshell some of the Imperium factions and the Ynnari.
The Admech, Custodes, Sisters of Silence and Inquisition have been included at the expense of the Imperial Guard( and Chaos and Xenos factions ). The Imperium - on a military scale - was already well represented with Marines, Imperial Guard and Sisters of Battle. These factions feel like they belong in a spinoff game that sits somewhere between Kill Team and 40K's Combat Patrol.
The main three Eldar factions are solid, but the Ynnari had no solid concept from day one. They don't even have a codex, even though Codex: Harlequins could do with the extra pages...
Tau: If they cant make them less castle'y and more flexible giving exciteing games that is not decided 2/3 (be it loss or victory), scrap em, they hurt buisness when new players get pitted against their interconnected and absurdly layered rules.
GSC: I LOOOVE the lore and feel of them... but they will allways feel like extras like killteam or some sort of mercenary supplement.
Death Watch: Sorry, there is plenty marines to go around, and feels alot like GSC issue to me.
Ynnari: I mean come on, they were created on a temporary overpowered false pretence in late 7th, sorry... I have no fond memorys playing against them, and many people no longer like playing em. Time to die.
Grey Knights: To me it feels like they have lost their idenity. Scrap em or rebuild em from the ground up.
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Space Marine Sups - You get blue marines, or green, or even yellow. But they should all get the same weapons and gear.
Chaos sups - Same as above. Too many books for what is essentially different spells or niche units.
GSC - Get out, you were a bad idea at launch and still suck now.
GK/Custodes/Assasins/SoS/Inquisition - Scrap em. With the lone exception of Custodes, all of them are incapable of being on their own, and are thus over priced mostly worthless gak.
SamusDrake wrote: The Admech, Custodes, Sisters of Silence and Inquisition have been included at the expense of...
The idea that what passes for the inquisition these days has been included at the expense of anyone but inquisition players is laughable. One of their units is a profile for a discontinued 30 year old rogue trader model and their only non-HQ model is a finecast chimp they released a decade ago.
I don't really want to have other people's toys (that they paid good money for I might add) taken away, but in a perfect 40k I'd remove a few.
(Chaos) Knights and LoW's in general from sub 3k points games. They belong in apoc not a skirmish game.
Harlequins/Custodes/possibly Grey knights: all gimmicky/niche factions that again should not be fighting small engagements/skirmishes.
Tau: not because I hate them or because they don't belong but they need a rework for their own good. Only being impact full in one phase is garbage design and with the new emphasis on some centre piece models getting the Ghaz wound cap per phase, it would be better for them too to be active in more than just the movement and shooting phase.
I think I am actually fine with custodes as a faction as they are probably the most interesting army GW has released... But the issue with them is that they really need the sisters to lock down psykers, the fact they can't take sisters of silence as troop choices etc is really strange.
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
A lot of people with really stupid reasoning for removing Custodes in this thread tbh.
Anyway:
Imperial/Chaos Knights: Probably the only factions I'd seriously consider removing from the game without being directly forced to. I love the former and think they're very cool, but the reality is the armies are unbalancable and warp the game around them. An army list that is enabled to easily include nothing but T8 24+ wound models with at worst 5++ in shooting can not be balanced. That objectives have been made much more important just makes it worst for them. I'm open to them being utilized in Admech or Chaos lists, but monofaction? It's bad for the game.
Ynnari: This faction is three characters lmao
Harlequins: I love them so much but I can't deny that they're easily the least explored army.
Lastly, probably Deathwatch. I don't think they are particularly compelling as a full army conceptually.
I wouldn't remove anything. The more armies the more rules the better. In my opinion 40k thrives on the richness and complexity of the factions, the more the better. Could they better balanced? Sure.
The only thing I'd move over to a different game format like apoc are knights.
I'd consolidate assassins and Inquisitors into a supplement codex “inquisition" that can be used by any imperium faction to ally in Inquisitors, which is how they should be used anyway. Expand the rules of the different ordos a bit an give them a few more models and you have some kickass souping options for most imperium factions.
I'd even leave all the space marine supplements in. Even though I dislike the frequency of sm releases like the next person does, I feel the different sm chapters have enough history and character to warrant at least a small supplement.
Personally I don't think it would make 40k improve as a game if you were to completely scrap anything, it would also hurt the lore.
People keep saying that the GSC should be rolled back into the Tyranids, as if it were some sort of 'natural state' for the Cult; something so obvious that to consider keeping them separate is just sheer lunacy.
I don't think GSC have been part of the Tyranid list since January 1992, White Dwarf issue 145. They've been their own thing longer than they've been a Tyranid thing.
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Drop... I wouldn't drop 5 armies from 40k, I think they all and something. I would easily drop 5 codexes/books through consolidating them into a smaller number of books.
Grey Knights
Custodes
Deathwatch
Replaced by a single Codex covering the Inquisition/ Imperial Agents/ Talons of the Emperor. etc... Would also allow a single such unit to be included in other Imperium armies without breaking 'all army/detachment' rules, or allowing these armies to take units from other imperium codexes... -2 Book
Chaos/ Imperial Knight. I still really think that superheavies like this don't really have a place in 'regular' (e.g 1500pts-2000pts) sized games. Move to Apoc or a 'Onslaught' expansion. -1 Book
Ynarri/Harlequins consolidate into a single Aeldari splat book. As bonus points could include the other 'lesser' Aeldari variants (e.g. Corsairs, Exodites) -1 Book
Marine Splat Books. No issues with the C:SM + Supplement model. However, I really don't see the need for each and every 1st founding chapter to have their own splat book. I’m feeling generous so I can see how a splat book could be warranted to explore the intricacies of those chapters which are (almost) entirely codex complaint (so as not to make the core C:SM even bigger). So why not Supplements BA, DA, SW and a compendium for the other 1st founding chapters (UM, Sal, IF, IH, RG, WS). -5 books.
With the huge reduction in the number of books from culling the splat books, that make room for a C:CSM splat for the traitor legions, consolidating and expanding upon the differences between them for those legions not detailed separately (e.g. DG, TS). +1 Book
Net total -8 Codexes/ Books.
No faction ‘squatted’ or otherwise purged from the records.
SamusDrake wrote: The Admech, Custodes, Sisters of Silence and Inquisition have been included at the expense of...
The idea that what passes for the inquisition these days has been included at the expense of anyone but inquisition players is laughable. One of their units is a profile for a discontinued 30 year old rogue trader model and their only non-HQ model is a finecast chimp they released a decade ago.
What is laughable is that they are wasting time on factions that do not belong in a game of troops'n'tanks and all out war. The Inquisition had a place back in the Rogue Trader days when the game was more open to interpretation; wars, battles, skimirshes and even a very slight dash of roleplay. But since 3rd edition( possibily 2nd ) 40K became a straight up war game.
But having a heart for Inquisition players, they seem a good fit for the Sisters of Battle and I would add them to their codex. In a similar fashion I'd add the sisters of silence to the custodes and the assassins to the Imperial Guard. Otherwise, they would make for a cracking Kill Team expansion or a Warhammer quest game. Maybe a revision of the old 54mm game, Inquisitor...
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BrianDavion wrote: I look at the sales data, identify the 5 armies that are most constistantly underperforming and get rid of them, the pragmatic busniess decision. because that's what my boss and his shareholders are going to want.
Ah, we have discovered the one who always stands by himself at the office Xmas parties....got it!
no you've just discovered the one who actually took the time to answer what he would do rather then use this as a chance to bash his least favorite armies.
Except that us not what many have done if you take the time to read posts. Harlequins for example, is an army I love, but i can see where they don't exist as an actual army.
No, if you read the posts that is exactly what many of the replies are doing.
Slayer grinding his usual axe about Marine supplements, Knights being in two books, and "bloat".
Two people on this page alone trying to claim that the Imperial Guard don't fit in 40k...
A number of people picking the Knight books because in their opinion they don't fit with the current scale of the game.
You've let a whole bunch of people get their axes sharpened on your grindstone.
Super Ready, Brian and PenitentJake are the only ones to give sensible answers in here.
A.T. wrote: Still waiting on the official custodes/SoS combo codex...
It'll be interesting to see what happens with the Custardes book in 9th, whenever it crops up - and whether that means any additions for the SoS.
Exalted! Well said Dysartes! As well as Brian, PenitentJake, and Super Ready. This entire thread is just another example of people telling other people they shouldn't be able to play with their favorite toys. If that's your problem, just don't play with people who play with those toys. Problem solved.
honestly this has became a persistant problem on dakkadakka, to the point I worry about new comers who just found the hobby coming on here and getting immediatly dischouraged
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Anyone seriously suggesting that Space Marines should be dropped, in toto, is just being salty.
SamusDrake wrote: What is laughable is that they are wasting time on factions that do not belong in a game of troops'n'tanks and all out war.
Careful what you say about who and who does not belong. A lot would argue that Custodes have no place on the battlefields of the 41st Millennium. Even more would say that Knights shouldn't be playable in 40k scale.
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If we go by the premise that this entire thought experiment is just to increase profits, the people arguing that SM's should be cut would all be fired. Talking about shaking dead weight off the tree. Yeah, lets take the hottest selling thing off the market, and waste all the advertising and stuff we've spent the last 2 years building.
But having a heart for Inquisition players, they seem a good fit for the Sisters of Battle and I would add them to their codex. In a similar fashion I'd add the sisters of silence to the custodes and the assassins to the Imperial Guard. Otherwise, they would make for a cracking Kill Team expansion or a Warhammer quest game. Maybe a revision of the old 54mm game, Inquisitor...
I don't have heart for people that want to remove my army from their game to play their army who hasn't existed for a long time, and who GW doesn't seem to want to bring back. I don't think Custodes, SoB or DW player have any warm feelings to a single or two unit entry in a codex for some other army either.
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: If we go by the premise that this entire thought experiment is just to increase profits, the people arguing that SM's should be cut would all be fired. Talking about shaking dead weight off the tree. Yeah, lets take the hottest selling thing off the market, and waste all the advertising and stuff we've spent the last 2 years building.
BuT eRaDiCaToRs ArE sO pOwErFuL aNd SoMeThInG hAs To Be DoNe!!!!
But having a heart for Inquisition players, they seem a good fit for the Sisters of Battle and I would add them to their codex. In a similar fashion I'd add the sisters of silence to the custodes and the assassins to the Imperial Guard. Otherwise, they would make for a cracking Kill Team expansion or a Warhammer quest game. Maybe a revision of the old 54mm game, Inquisitor...
I don't have heart for people that want to remove my army from their game to play their army who hasn't existed for a long time, and who GW doesn't seem to want to bring back. I don't think Custodes, SoB or DW player have any warm feelings to a single or two unit entry in a codex for some other army either.
Missing the point karol seems to be a Hobby for you.
The sugestion was not to remove gk but rather reimplementing Inquisition propperly. As it stands gk are specialist muscle for Inquisition.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: If we go by the premise that this entire thought experiment is just to increase profits, the people arguing that SM's should be cut would all be fired. Talking about shaking dead weight off the tree. Yeah, lets take the hottest selling thing off the market, and waste all the advertising and stuff we've spent the last 2 years building.
I just want less power armor overload. Getting rid of 5 power armor armies does that. Snowflake power armor adds little to the game, imo.
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: If we go by the premise that this entire thought experiment is just to increase profits.
That wasn't what OP said.
Also I want rid of Marine because they're over-exposed. By the fluff they're super rare and semi-mythical to most people, even many Imperial Guard regiments will never see ONE, let alone an entire army of them. Entire planets believe that they're literal angels. By how 40k plays you think they're more numerous than the Imperial Guard.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Anyone seriously suggesting that Space Marines should be dropped, in toto, is just being salty.
SamusDrake wrote: What is laughable is that they are wasting time on factions that do not belong in a game of troops'n'tanks and all out war.
Careful what you say about who and who does not belong. A lot would argue that Custodes have no place on the battlefields of the 41st Millennium. Even more would say that Knights shouldn't be playable in 40k scale.
With all due respect, we are in a thread asking which five armies we would drop from the game!
I also gave my reasoning as to why the Inquisition was redundant in modern 40K, but also provided suggestions as to where they would shine the most.
Personally, I agree that the Emperor's personal guard are not going to be wasted on front duty in distant star systems when they already have the Space Marines for that job. And while Knights are far more practical in 40K than Titans...they still seem a little too big for the game, and maybe not practical enough for smaller games. Being a Titanicus player, I've been tempted to treat myself to a small combat patrol of Armigers or even a single Knight, but the common advice has been "don't bother".
My own faction, Harlequins, has been mentioned many times on this list and while its annoying I still respect it, given the topic of the thread.
6000 World Eaters/Khorne 
Tons!
Tons!
Tons!
2,000pts
