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2020/11/16 19:50:39
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Boosting Black Templar Biker
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Just wondering with the release of some codexes if any one had been officially given the Supreme Commander rule or key word?
I’m thinking Silent King or Logan Grimnar?
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2020/11/16 19:58:51
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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The Silent King does, but none of the Chapter Masters so far do (not Logan or any of the FW ones).
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2020/11/16 20:09:46
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader
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It's going to be saved for Primach level leaders for armies. It's going to be pretty sparingly given out, and only for Lord of War characters, so they can be included in an army without costing a heap of CP.
So far it's just the Primarchs, and Silent King. I don't expect any other existing datasheets gaining the keyword.
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Wolfspear's 2k
Harlequins 2k
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2020/11/16 20:41:46
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Dakka Veteran
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jaredb wrote:It's going to be saved for Primach level leaders for armies. It's going to be pretty sparingly given out, and only for Lord of War characters, so they can be included in an army without costing a heap of CP.
So far it's just the Primarchs, and Silent King. I don't expect any other existing datasheets gaining the keyword.
Since the slot can be filled by HQ as well, I’d be willing to bet that the likes of Abaddon, Gazkull and Shadowsun will get it as well when their books come out. Doesn’t Shadowsun already have a rule called Supreme Commander?
Basically major race leaders who belong to specific sub-factions, but also lead a large part of the faction as a whole (and importantly, have expensive plastic kits GW want to sell to everyone playing that army).
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2020/11/16 23:53:58
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Lord Zarkov wrote: jaredb wrote:It's going to be saved for Primach level leaders for armies. It's going to be pretty sparingly given out, and only for Lord of War characters, so they can be included in an army without costing a heap of CP. So far it's just the Primarchs, and Silent King. I don't expect any other existing datasheets gaining the keyword. Since the slot can be filled by HQ as well, I’d be willing to bet that the likes of Abaddon, Gazkull and Shadowsun will get it as well when their books come out. Doesn’t Shadowsun already have a rule called Supreme Commander? Basically major race leaders who belong to specific sub-factions, but also lead a large part of the faction as a whole (and importantly, have expensive plastic kits GW want to sell to everyone playing that army). Yup, I doubt there will be a non-Supplement book without at least 1 Supreme Commander character. GSC is the only one I can honestly see without one.
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2020/11/16 23:58:44
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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jaredb wrote:It's going to be saved for Primach level leaders for armies. It's going to be pretty sparingly given out, and only for Lord of War characters, so they can be included in an army without costing a heap of CP.
So far it's just the Primarchs, and Silent King. I don't expect any other existing datasheets gaining the keyword.
Primarchs do not have the "Supreme Commander" keyword. Them having "Primarch" or "Daemon Primarch" lets them be in a SC detachment.
It's abysmal that they haven't gone and added more yet. Cawl, Shrike, Grimnar, Azrael, Shadowsun, GSC Patriarch, Swarmlord--all of these fit a SC concept.
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2020/11/17 02:03:11
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Walking Dead Wraithlord
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Yea it seems GW have completely forgotten they have this detachment with restrictions.. pretty lame
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2020/11/17 02:22:32
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Thematically Dante would be a good fit for this keyword since he's in charge of half of the Imperium, nominally.
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2020/11/17 07:34:11
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Platuan4th wrote:Lord Zarkov wrote: jaredb wrote:It's going to be saved for Primach level leaders for armies. It's going to be pretty sparingly given out, and only for Lord of War characters, so they can be included in an army without costing a heap of CP.
So far it's just the Primarchs, and Silent King. I don't expect any other existing datasheets gaining the keyword.
Since the slot can be filled by HQ as well, I’d be willing to bet that the likes of Abaddon, Gazkull and Shadowsun will get it as well when their books come out. Doesn’t Shadowsun already have a rule called Supreme Commander?
Basically major race leaders who belong to specific sub-factions, but also lead a large part of the faction as a whole (and importantly, have expensive plastic kits GW want to sell to everyone playing that army).
Yup, I doubt there will be a non-Supplement book without at least 1 Supreme Commander character. GSC is the only one I can honestly see without one.
I'll take that bet....
pay up. codex Space Marines didn't have one
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2020/11/17 07:55:09
Subject: Re:Supreme Commander
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Steadfast Ultramarine Sergeant
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I believe the Swarmlord will get "Supreme Commander" keyword, same as Avater of Klaine. maybe Tzeentch Karios Fateweaver as well?
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2020/11/17 08:03:46
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Hecaton wrote:Thematically Dante would be a good fit for this keyword since he's in charge of half of the Imperium, nominally.
I was thinking that too, he’s top brass on his side of things. I had actually double checked yesterday if he had it in the PDF document but no dice. Maybe in the finished Codex Supplement? (Probably not.)
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2020/11/17 15:24:08
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Argive wrote:Yea it seems GW have completely forgotten they have this detachment with restrictions.. pretty lame
Really? First 2 codex released already have units for them.
Gw: "we will release supreme commanders with new codexes"
Players: "why my old codex doesn't yet have supreme commander?"
Maybe you should try reading what gw writes?
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2020/11/17 15:38:47
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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In before they give it to Aun’va’s hologram rather than Shadowsun.
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warboss wrote:Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be. |
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2020/11/17 15:42:14
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Walking Dead Wraithlord
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tneva82 wrote: Argive wrote:Yea it seems GW have completely forgotten they have this detachment with restrictions.. pretty lame
Really? First 2 codex released already have units for them.
Gw: "we will release supreme commanders with new codexes"
Players: "why my old codex doesn't yet have supreme commander?"
Maybe you should try reading what gw writes?
Its quite a big chunk of foc potebtiaky to sone armies..
Could have easily faq'd it and given the keyword to major named character from every faction.
Just like how most people are waiting for rules to justify their points hikes...
Its crapshot design.
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2020/11/17 15:44:41
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Fixture of Dakka
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GW doesn't seem to be very much in to the free thing. Unless it is something like the players fixing rules or broken models, with their own stuff. Then GW is all for the free handling of those issues.
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If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain. |
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2020/11/18 00:00:45
Subject: Re:Supreme Commander
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Confessor Of Sins
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I think people are seriously over estimating the number of Supreme Commander characters GW will put out. I expect the following:
Robute Guilliman and any Loyalist Primarchs for Imperial
Magnus, Mortarion, and any Chaos Primarchs for Chaos
Shadownsun for Tau
Ghazghkull Thraka for Orks
The Silent King for Necrons
If Vect ever gets a model, he'll be a Supreme Commander.
If you stretch the concept, maybe Eldrad.
But that's it. The detachment isn't there to allow you to add an additional HQ to your list. It exist for those characters that transcend a particular faction or subfaction and would take charge of any situation they find themselves in.
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2020/11/18 00:06:25
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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That's literally what the detachment is there for. An ability to 'add characters of legendary status to your army without sacrificing your army's headquarters slots'.
Reiterating: Supreme Commander is something that is woefully underutilized. I can think of several characters, right now that should have been given the keyword via FAQ.
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2020/11/18 00:12:31
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Kanluwen wrote:That's literally what the detachment is there for. An ability to 'add characters of legendary status to your army without sacrificing your army's headquarters slots'.
Reiterating: Supreme Commander is something that is woefully underutilized. I can think of several characters, right now that should have been given the keyword via FAQ.
really? care to name them? because if you start naming people like Logan Grinar, Dante etc. yeah sorry no.
Alextroy's list is proably about it, save MAYBE Creed
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two |
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2020/11/18 00:32:46
Subject: Re:Supreme Commander
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Kaayvan Shrike: Chapter Master of the Raven Guard, currently operating alongside of a detachment of the First Company after scattering his Chapter across the Imperium on missions.
Logan Grimnar arguably qualifies since he could bring the whole of the Chapter together. Dante and Azrael both can do the same not just with their respective Chapters but also their Successors. You can choose to ignore them or whatever, but it doesn't change that these three are major characters that deserve at least as much recognition as the dunce that is Guilliman or the twerps that are Mortarion and Magnus.
Belisarius Cawl: Effectively the head of the Mechanicus right now. Any warzone he shows up in, he can take command of not only Mechanicus forces but also Mechanicus aligned Knightly house forces and Titan Legions in theater.
Farsight and Shadowsun both could qualify for that status as well.
Inquisitors, if we have to keep them on the battlefield again forever and ever should be getting this status.
Swarmlord, obviously.
Genestealer Patriarch
Abaddon and Huron both could qualify.
Ghazghkull Thrakka.
Phoenix Lords
Yvraine and the Triumvirate of Ynnead.
I see no real 'Supreme Commander' figure for Guard despite wanting to say Creed should get it. Arguably a SC figure should be a unifying factor or something that wouldn't be a 'regular' on the battlefield. Someone of the status of Warmaster and his followers would be a good call here.
If I had my dang way, even Space Marine Captains, Librarians, and Chaplains wouldn't be normal HQs--they'd be a "Chapter Command" choice that gives multiple models in a SC detachment.
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2020/11/18 00:46:38
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Walking Dead Wraithlord
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If its a straight up pissing contest in terms of who gets to boss around the most people IOM I think cawl is 100% a supreme commander material. Ad-mech basically run the imperium war machine. And if cawl says titan legion go here.. the titan legion goes there. G-man has to ask cawl to ask the titan legion to go somewhere.. Just sayin. Also whoever the custard boss man is. Reckon he can tell people what to do pretty darn well. For eldar I would argue Asurmen(possibly eldrad). If Asurmen turns up on your craftworld and says "right lads we need to go here and cap this place" There is no Autarch/Farseer that would say. "wheelll ahhhctualy... who do you think you are!." I mean they can but the aspect warriors and military assets would just follow him anyway... Hes THE phoenix lord. Solitaire for quins maybe? not sure what the lore is for him now but he used to be a bigger mythical unicorn type character than primarchs.. Chaos - Abbadon - He is the dang war-master Orks - Ghaz - he is da biggest meanest ork... And all orks will all follow the biggest meanest ork. GSC - No idea - I guess the patriach Nids - Swarmlord Tau - Faright / Shadowsun
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2020/11/18 04:18:35
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Steadfast Ultramarine Sergeant
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Argive wrote:If its a straight up pissing contest in terms of who gets to boss around the most people
IOM I think cawl is 100% a supreme commander material.
Ad-mech basically run the imperium war machine. And if cawl says titan legion go here.. the titan legion goes there. G-man has to ask cawl to ask the titan legion to go somewhere.. Just sayin.
Also whoever the custard boss man is. Reckon he can tell people what to do pretty darn well.
For eldar I would argue Asurmen(possibly eldrad). If Asurmen turns up on your craftworld and says "right lads we need to go here and cap this place" There is no Autarch/Farseer that would say. "wheelll ahhhctualy... who do you think you are!." I mean they can but the aspect warriors and military assets would just follow him anyway... Hes THE phoenix lord.
Solitaire for quins maybe? not sure what the lore is for him now but he used to be a bigger mythical unicorn type character than primarchs..
Chaos - Abbadon - He is the dang war-master
Orks - Ghaz - he is da biggest meanest ork... And all orks will all follow the biggest meanest ork.
GSC - No idea - I guess the patriach
Nids - Swarmlord
Tau - Faright / Shadowsun
I think all the Supreme Commander would need to at least be named Characters. So the Patriarch and Solitare need to become something special among their peers, and have a background stories associated with them.
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2020/11/18 04:35:21
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Nah. Supreme Commanders don't need to be named characters necessarily. Some factions just don't really have the frameworks necessary for it. And the Solitaire isn't a leader. The Great Harlequin would be a better fit for that role.
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2020/11/18 04:43:04
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Walking Dead Wraithlord
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Yeah the only named characters quins get is in a SOB army.. so...
My apologies I foget solitaire is a bit like the AOK.. I was thinking back to my OG homebrew fluff pre quins codex solitaire was like the unicorn sort of deal. I havent really had the opportunity to read/own the harlequins codex so im stuck in old headcannon a bit.
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2020/11/18 05:12:15
Subject: Re:Supreme Commander
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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alextroy wrote:I think people are seriously over estimating the number of Supreme Commander characters GW will put out. I expect the following:
Robute Guilliman and any Loyalist Primarchs for Imperial
Magnus, Mortarion, and any Chaos Primarchs for Chaos
Shadownsun for Tau
Ghazghkull Thraka for Orks
The Silent King for Necrons
If Vect ever gets a model, he'll be a Supreme Commander.
If you stretch the concept, maybe Eldrad.
But that's it. The detachment isn't there to allow you to add an additional HQ to your list. It exist for those characters that transcend a particular faction or subfaction and would take charge of any situation they find themselves in.
I would add that Both The Triumph of Saint Katherine and Saint Celestine transcend Orders, so they're both candidates.
The swarmlord does not transcend Hive Fleet, though its description does make it seem like it would; I suspect it will lose <Hive Fleet> in the new dex, which would make it a more suitable candidate.
While Dante doesn't transcend Chapter, the point about him being the absolute commander of all Imperial forces in the Imperium Nihilus IS a pretty strong argument.
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2020/11/18 06:09:11
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Trustworthy Shas'vre
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Anyone think that Macharius should get it for Guard?
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'No plan survives contact with the enemy. Who are we?'
'THE ENEMY!!!'
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2020/11/18 06:14:02
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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You mean the guy who's been dead for 800 years in the current 40k timeline? Sure. Sebastian Thor and Tabor Ludovica could probably get Supreme Commander too if they weren't too dead to get minis. How 'bout Malcador?
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2020/11/18 06:25:45
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Boosting Black Templar Biker
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I agree with alextroy’s list to. However I may have added Abaddon
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2020/11/18 06:25:51
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
The dark hollows of Kentucky
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AnomanderRake wrote:
You mean the guy who's been dead for 800 years in the current 40k timeline? Sure. Sebastian Thor and Tabor Ludovica could probably get Supreme Commander too if they weren't too dead to get minis. How 'bout Malcador?
Well, if we get to nominate dead guys, I vote SEVATAR!
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2020/11/18 06:35:30
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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and Cawl proably works for it too, Cawl in fact strikes me as a good canidate. people are too busy looking for ways to argue who should be added because they wanna give everyone "their fair share at a free HQ slot" but thats not what supreme command is for. supreme command is for people like Gulliman, Ghaz, Shadowsun etc whom are all legitimate leadership chocies for an entire faction no matter what chapter tactics you choose to run
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2020/11/18 11:26:52
Subject: Supreme Commander
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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BrianDavion wrote: and Cawl proably works for it too, Cawl in fact strikes me as a good canidate. people are too busy looking for ways to argue who should be added because they wanna give everyone "their fair share at a free HQ slot" but thats not what supreme command is for. supreme command is for people like Gulliman, Ghaz, Shadowsun etc whom are all legitimate leadership chocies for an entire faction no matter what chapter tactics you choose to run Agree with this. The thing people are overlooking is that these Supreme Commanders go to battle without even a single member of their own sub-faction being present. IMO this is what disqualifies Logan, Dante, Helbrecht, Shrike, Farsight, Huron and so on from the role. They would be in command, but they would never go to battle without bringing their own guys, assuming their retinue would allow them to go alone in the first place. This also is why I'm unsure about Abaddon getting it, if he went to lead an army of World Eaters or Emperor's Children by himself, I'm pretty sure he would end up dead. And then there is also the possibility that GW reserved this keyword just for centerpiece models and gave it little thought outside of that
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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