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 puma713 wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Nothing unexpected there, just need to wait and see whether they've kept the 4++ or not

Well, their movement is 5". I'd say they're going the way of the Loyalists to a 2+/5++ just like their Relic Terminator Armor.

Well yeah, thus why keeping a 4++ is a subject of discussion in the first place. A relatively safe assumption but not confirmed yet

I doubt you'll see a 4++ on those.

I wonder if the flail will keep its damage and attack shenanigans.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sure would be cool if the Reaper AC was D2.

Yeah, seems like a pretty big miss there. I'm hoping when the Soulreaper cannon rolls around for Thousand Sons it's damage 2.

I don't mind varying heavy weapons being D1, it's specifically that this variant of Autocannon is D1 for whatever reason.

Anyone see anything to confirm whether we will get out ETB kits back in some form? Really sucks to lose them, especially Felthius. Seems like a good time to bring them back in new ways (bundled ETB death guard vs ETB primaris if nothing else).

axotl wrote:
Anyone see anything to confirm whether we will get out ETB kits back in some form? Really sucks to lose them, especially Felthius. Seems like a good time to bring them back in new ways (bundled ETB death guard vs ETB primaris if nothing else).

Death Guard Combat Patrol box?

It's pretty clear that they axed the ETB kits which were too cost-efficient. Unless you liked the models, there was little reason to buy the expensive all-options box of blightlords or plague marines or even deathshrouds when you could get the ETB sets and convert the few additional special weapons that actually saw play.

 Jidmah wrote:
It's pretty clear that they axed the ETB kits which were too cost-efficient. Unless you liked the models, there was little reason to buy the expensive all-options box of blightlords or plague marines or even deathshrouds when you could get the ETB sets and convert the few additional special weapons that actually saw play.

I know I went hack, maim, kill conversion crazy with the multiple ETB Death Guard I obtained through Conquest purchases.

As did I.
One multi part kit and three ETB provided a lot of variation

Ugh, so many special rules.

Nurglitch wrote:
Ugh, so many special rules.

Indeed.

And EC and WE legion players are still waiting...

mortar_crew wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:
Ugh, so many special rules.

Indeed.

And EC and WE legion players are still waiting...

For Thousand Sons and Death Guard to be rolled back into the main Legions codex so GW doesn't try to justify selling multiple books at their absurd pricing point?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

mortar_crew wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:
Ugh, so many special rules.

Indeed.

And EC and WE legion players are still waiting...

For Thousand Sons and Death Guard to be rolled back into the main Legions codex so GW doesn't try to justify selling multiple books at their absurd pricing point?

More the "Can we have our own overpriced codex and new range of miniatures at last?" kind of thing...

But I disgress, this is a DG thread, because DG has a (granted, delayed a bit) new version of their codex...

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

mortar_crew wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:
Ugh, so many special rules.

Indeed.

And EC and WE legion players are still waiting...

For Thousand Sons and Death Guard to be rolled back into the main Legions codex so GW doesn't try to justify selling multiple books at their absurd pricing point?

Games Workshop is a publishing company that happens to also sell miniatures.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

mortar_crew wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:
Ugh, so many special rules.

Indeed.

And EC and WE legion players are still waiting...

For Thousand Sons and Death Guard to be rolled back into the main Legions codex so GW doesn't try to justify selling multiple books at their absurd pricing point?

You mean kind of like how they rolled all the marines into one codex and then sell all the chapters an additional codex for their stuff, oh sorry not a codex, a " supplement " my bad. I think we know that even if they rolled DG and TS back into the main book it would do nothing to cut down on the number of books they put out, in fact I think it would do the opposite and just lead to even more books pumped out and just calling them supplements but really no one is going to play the faction without the book that has all their flavor and power inside it.

The price point IS a bit steep on books, but at the same time I'd rather pay the price we have now for what we get now than the price we had in the 90s for what we got the 90s. Especially bearing in mind that $20 then is over $30 now because inflation is a thing. We are paying double-ish the price for WAY more than double the content. Until you factor in psychic awakening, I hope they don't do that again.

3 wound Blightlords...

There's a difference between knowing it's coming and seeing it for the first time.

Please don't let them go nuts with the points.

 techsoldaten wrote:
3 wound Blightlords...

There's a difference between knowing it's coming and seeing it for the first time.

Please don't let them go nuts with the points.

I'm just hoping my Aquilon Custodes can keep them at bay. For my other armies? Looks like Long Fangs rocking lascannons are going to be MVP's.

 techsoldaten wrote:
3 wound Blightlords...

There's a difference between knowing it's coming and seeing it for the first time.

Please don't let them go nuts with the points.

Deathwing Terminators are 33ppm with sword and bolter, I don't think blightlords will be much more than that.

mortar_crew wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:
Ugh, so many special rules.

Indeed.

And EC and WE legion players are still waiting...

so is EVERY other non Marine sub faction but hey....

Assuming DG terminators go to 5++ save as expected I would be interested to see if they are actually more or less durable in new edition.

We have

2 wounds, 4++, 5+++
vs
3 wounds, 5++, -1 damage

I think they may be slightly more durable against low to no AP, but less durable against mortal wounds and most high AP weapons

 Mr Morden wrote:

mortar_crew wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:
Ugh, so many special rules.

Indeed.

And EC and WE legion players are still waiting...

so is EVERY other non Marine sub faction but hey....

True, I sure hope Codex (not supplement) Bor'Kan is worth the wait.

Doohicky wrote:
Assuming DG terminators go to 5++ save as expected I would be interested to see if they are actually more or less durable in new edition.

We have

2 wounds, 4++, 5+++
vs
3 wounds, 5++, -1 damage

I think they may be slightly more durable against low to no AP, but less durable against mortal wounds and most high AP weapons

Outside of edge cases, 2 wounds and 5+++ is roughly the same as 3 wounds, so they essentially now have a -1 damage on top to protect them from d3, 2 damage and 3 damage weapons.
So for 1 damage, they now just always get their average rolls.
Against 2 damage weapons -1 damage is great, but they would suck at killing 3W models anyways
Against 3 damage weapons they are now much more resilient than before

So the 5++ only really matters against AP-3 and up with high damage rolls(d6, 3+d3, d6+2) or when people try to kill them with non-overcharged plasma. Weapons like shuriken cannons might be slightly better at killing them as well.

Effectively forcing opponents to point heavy anti-tank weapons at them has great synergy with our daemon engines, so it's pretty good I guess?

Deathshroud:



+1WS
+1A
5" move
12" pistol range
2D on scythes instead of d3
-1S (doesn't matter with -1T aura)

Summary provided by Sarges on B&C

 Jidmah wrote:
Effectively forcing opponents to point heavy anti-tank weapons at them has great synergy with our daemon engines, so it's pretty good I guess?

Going to get into points, but you might just not bother with the demon engines.

DG seem to be shaping up as "melta or bust" for having a vaguely efficient way of killing them. Which, points depending - might not be that meta warping if their own damage is very low, but I'm not sure this will be the case.

I guess special weapons could all be very expensive - but the SM/Necron books wouldn't lead you to expecting it.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Just hope they keep the PM units ability to be just 7. Thats it, crap rules or not Im having 3 potentially 4 PM squads.

totally agree that not having the ability to take 7 strong units was a fluff fail.. 5 or 10? nope.. I want 7 models.. and when I did play the one game this year with this army, I was able to get my opponent to agree to a cost reduction for the 7 ..

However, I am gonna go with 7 squads of 7 guys.. then 7 "other squads" of 7.. Blightlord Terminators, Possessed, etc...

Cool changes, though it's likely that Creeping Blight will no longer work for them.
The gauntlets are going to be mean if Motarion's Chosen Sons keep their stratagems.

The stats feel decent for an elite of the elite unit.

You can take 7 in a squad at the moment, why would you expect that to be changed is there any precedent for that?

I just play 7 PM in my games anyways. I just like the extra bodies to keep my objectives/special weapons safe.

Not sure those stat changes are going to really make much difference to deathshroud. 1" extra movement isn't enough to make them useable. It'll be more interesting to see if cataphracti has indeed gone and they lose the 1/2 advance rule might make them more viable.
Either that or some sort of deepstrike shenanigan strategem that allows them to drop in closer than 9" if they land near a character or something?