Codex:Death Guard pre-orders on January 16th (Jan16th: Preorders up, full leak, reviews)

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**astro_nomicon**

If the points don’t go up too much on Deathshrouds they sound pretty tasty now. Going from S8 to S7 hurts against T 8, 7, and 4 targets a bit, but hitting on 2s, +1 A, and flat 2 damage seem to more than make up for it.

**Jidmah**

broxus wrote:
So after seeing many of that new data sheets and the leaked rules I thought I would make so some predictions on points. We still do t know a few factors such as if the DG terminators keep their 4++. I will assume in numbers they stay at 4++. I used some analysis from the first born marines getting 2Ws and the IG codex to assess the points costs going from a 4+ BS to a 3+ BS. I also predicted several nerfs such as arch contaminatior, loss of the 4++ on daemon engines, and no more DTFE. All my points predictions are without any weapon upgrades and min sized units.

Projected points range within +/- 5pts :

PBC- 180pts
MBH- 120pts
Plague Marines- 110pts
Deathshroud-170pts (this is hard because they historically overprice these for some reason they shouldn’t cost as much as 5x BGVs)
Blightlords- 250
Bloatdrone with mower 135pts
Bloatdrone with HBL 145pts
Bloatdrone with spitters 145pts (BS/WS helped everything but the spitters)
Typhus- 165pts

I think you have terminators at too many points, keep in mind that loyalist terminators have come down to 33 points with storm bolter and melee weapon included, even death wing knights are only 47. Blightlords schould probably be around 40 and deathshrouds at slightly less, assuming they keep their 4++.
Everything else seem about right, though I think you could shave off another 10 points off the drone since it lost is plague probe and one wound. Right now the only difference to a MBH is having FLY instead of all the rules MBH get.

**broxus**

I agree that likely the blightlords and deathshroud are too expensive. However, as I stated GW loves to over cost them. If you compare them BGV and space marine terminators then their costs seem silly. I would like to see the blightlords cost around 225pts (10 more than BGV) and death shroud cost around 150pts (15 more than BGV)

Bloat drones now get a WS and BS of 3+ which will increase their points. However, with the DR nerf and them not being core should help balance the costs. I doubt the cost will go below what I put.

**Jidmah**

What makes you think that a blightlord is worth 12 more points than a deathwing terminator?
Honest question.

Also, all variants of the drone but the heavy blightlauncher (which was trash tier before) were nerfed, why should they increase in points?
Just for clarity: flesh mower got -1 strength, plague probe went from d3 to 1 damage, -1 wound and DR was nerfed

**broxus**

Jidmah wrote:
What makes you think that a blightlord is worth 12 more points than a deathwing terminator?
Honest question.

Also, all variants of the drone but the heavy blightlauncher (which was trash tier before) were nerfed, why should they increase in points?
Just for clarity: flesh mower got -1 strength, plague probe went from d3 to 1 damage, -1 wound and DR was nerfed

These are the points I project they are going to be., not the points I think they should be. GW for some reason always over points death guard terminators. Also, drones getting BS/WS 3+ is a pretty big buff which means they are going to go up slightly in points. I weighed the nerfs and buffs to calculate. That is the reason they went up only around 10pts instead of 25pts.

**Kryddbov**

Do we have a release date for the new book, other than "early next year" ?

**Jidmah**

Nope, sorry.
Assuming the rumor about the codices lying on the bottom of the ocean is true, they probably have to re-print everything on short notice during another pandemic peak, and printing companies usually have their slots blocked far in advance.

In addition, currently Europe is blocking most of the traffic to the UK, in fear of their COVID-19 mutation spreading to the continent, so that might delay it even further.

However, I assure you that as soon as I hear anything, I will update the thread title

**Kryddbov**

Jidmah wrote:
Nope, sorry.
Assuming the rumor about the codices lying on the bottom of the ocean is true, they probably have to re-print everything on short notice during another pandemic peak, and printing companies usually have their slots blocked far in advance.

In addition, currently Europe is blocking most of the traffic to the UK, in fear of their COVID-19 mutation spreading to the continent, so that might delay it even further.

However, I assure you that as soon as I hear anything, I will update the thread title

Thank you very much!

**AngryAngel80**

So now the codex drops are being given to the under water players first ? Damn you Atlantis !!!!

Seriously though what is the rumor of the books being on the bottom of the sea ? I didn't hear that one.

**Dysartes**

I know when I was last in my local GW - Black Library preview day - the manager was mentioning something about a container ship losing most of its cargo, possibly including the books for the DG launch.

**Either/Or**

Those fishes are going to be wondering why there are no rules for falcons in the book.

**MajorWesJanson**

I though Death Guard was delayed by the plague, but it was apparently the Deepkin all along?

**AngryAngel80**

Damn you Deepkin !!! Elves are the worst, in space or below the waves, always making stuff harder.

**Danny76**

What do we thing the good blight drone choices will be stats wise with the nerfs, points notwithstanding of course..
Luckily I never got round to building my other two as it may vary now.

**Abaddon303**

Danny76 wrote:
What do we thing the good blight drone choices will be stats wise with the nerfs, points notwithstanding of course..
Luckily I never got round to building my other two as it may vary now.

Hard to say without knowing the points but the heavy blight launcher just looks great now for killing marines. I had already been operating under the thinking it was gonna be good due to the 3+ BS and fixed 2 damage but having just checked the datasheet again I hadn't even realised it's now -3AP!

You'll be pretty consistently killing 3 maybe 4 primaris per turn if you can get the -1T lined up and you can still charge and do a little damage with the probe then shoot in combat.

All three options look good but I like how you're almost guaranteed to find a decent target from the very first round with the HBL rather than needing to get close with the other two options

**NinthMusketeer**

I can appreciate the metaphorical irony of Death Guard being delayed due to a global pandemic.

**Jidmah**

NinthMusketeer wrote:
I can appreciate the metaphorical irony of Death Guard being delayed due to a global pandemic.

The main reason for them being delayed seems to be due to bad weather though.

**tneva82**

Jidmah wrote:
Nope, sorry.
Assuming the rumor about the codices lying on the bottom of the ocean is true, they probably have to re-print everything on short notice during another pandemic peak, and printing companies usually have their slots blocked far in advance.

In addition, currently Europe is blocking most of the traffic to the UK, in fear of their COVID-19 mutation spreading to the continent, so that might delay it even further.

However, I assure you that as soon as I hear anything, I will update the thread title

Would be interesting to know how UK printed books can lie in bottom of ocean. Much more likely it's the terrain piece which are cast in china that's causing delay.

**Jidmah**

tneva82 wrote:
Would be interesting to know how UK printed books can lie in bottom of ocean. Much more likely it's the terrain piece which are cast in china that's causing delay.

We already established that books are printed both in the UK and in China.

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Abaddon303 wrote:
Danny76 wrote:
What do we thing the good blight drone choices will be stats wise with the nerfs, points notwithstanding of course..
Luckily I never got round to building my other two as it may vary now.

Hard to say without knowing the points but the heavy blight launcher just looks great now for killing marines. I had already been operating under the thinking it was gonna be good due to the 3+ BS and fixed 2 damage but having just checked the datasheet again I hadn't even realised it's now -3AP!

You'll be pretty consistently killing 3 maybe 4 primaris per turn if you can get the -1T lined up and you can still charge and do a little damage with the probe then shoot in combat.

All three options look good but I like how you're almost guaranteed to find a decent target from the very first round with the HBL rather than needing to get close with the other two options

Agree with this. Especially on a platform with fly, you can easily jump onto terrain to get good LoS and make use of that 36" range. Spitters were already mediocre when 9th took away their ability to fall back and shoot, the nerfed plague probe only makes them worse. I'd wage that they won't see a lot of play anymore.
The fleshmower looks decent though, the loss of strength is offset by the -1T and 3+ WS turns them up to daemon prince level in combat. They also seem to be good super-spreaders for contagions aura, in turn 3 a pair of drones might give large parts of your opponent's army -1T against your shooting.
The biggest problem is probably deciding what to put into our fast attack slots

**AduroT**

So I’m being told the GW rep has said we can’t place any new orders for several weeks. They’re just going to try and fill all the delayed orders and get all their shipping caught up.

**Sasori**

AduroT wrote:
So I’m being told the GW rep has said we can’t place any new orders for several weeks. They’re just going to try and fill all the delayed orders and get all their shipping caught up.

Heard the same thing locally. They also mentioned that they are not expecting any actual releases until the end of January, to give time for Manufacturing to catch up.

**Jidmah**

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/12/23/an-update-on-warhammer-releases-in-2021/

Rather than weekly, you’ll see new releases every fortnight, with the first pre-orders of 2021 on the 16th of January.

If you’re a Warhammer 40,000 fan, you’ll see a new codex or expansion every month in January, February, and March starting with the Death Guard – Nurgle, bless ’em, they have waited a long time…

So, best case pre-orders will be up on the 16th, worst case on the 30th of January.

**Doohicky**

Means I will be ordering codex online as here in NI the GW store is closed until feb due to our lockdown rules.

Suppose that gives me a chance to look over codex and decide what I am going to buy for the DG coin (They are holding them as not open). I know it will be some vehicles and maybe the new Lord...

**Abaddon303**

We have a long time to wait then unfortunately.
Something i noticed today that I don't think I've seen much mention of. The datasheet for the greater blight drone shows it's putrid explosion now works like mortarions and only hurts non Nurgle units.
I wonder if that will carry over to the FBD and MBH? Always seemed a little odd that an explosion of disease would hurt the disciples of Nurgle.
As an aside, what are people's thoughts on the greater blight drone? Obviously we don't know points for the FBD yet but general consensus is that they will likely rise.
But even if they don't rise in price, the GBD seems really good value when it's like you end up with half a spitter drone and half a blight launcher drone with the exact same profile except boosted to a 14" move as opposed to 10".
Or could we be about to see a point reduction on the FBDs?

**broxus**

Abaddon303 wrote:
We have a long time to wait then unfortunately.
Something i noticed today that I don't think I've seen much mention of. The datasheet for the greater blight drone shows it's putrid explosion now works like mortarions and only hurts non Nurgle units.
I wonder if that will carry over to the FBD and MBH? Always seemed a little odd that an explosion of disease would hurt the disciples of Nurgle.
As an aside, what are people's thoughts on the greater blight drone? Obviously we don't know points for the FBD yet but general consensus is that they will likely rise.
But even if they don't rise in price, the GBD seems really good value when it's like you end up with half a spitter drone and half a blight launcher drone with the exact same profile except boosted to a 14" move as opposed to 10".
Or could we be about to see a point reduction on the FBDs?

Very interesting this may bode very well for our points updates. Umm wait is it missing an invulnerable save? Are he DG daemon engines losing invulnerable saves?

**Abaddon303**

No one of its abilities is 'daemonic' and references the codex datasheet which is the 5++

**MajorWesJanson**

tneva82 wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
Nope, sorry.
Assuming the rumor about the codices lying on the bottom of the ocean is true, they probably have to re-print everything on short notice during another pandemic peak, and printing companies usually have their slots blocked far in advance.

In addition, currently Europe is blocking most of the traffic to the UK, in fear of their COVID-19 mutation spreading to the continent, so that might delay it even further.

However, I assure you that as soon as I hear anything, I will update the thread title

Would be interesting to know how UK printed books can lie in bottom of ocean. Much more likely it's the terrain piece which are cast in china that's causing delay.

Even if it is printed in the UK, other countries would need copies, and the UK is an island. They may treat other countries as second class, but GW wouldn't release just the UK copies anyways if say the stock of books going to the US was sunk.

**catbarf**

broxus wrote:
So after seeing many of that new data sheets and the leaked rules I thought I would make so some predictions on points. We still do t know a few factors such as if the DG terminators keep their 4++. I will assume in numbers they stay at 4++. I used some analysis from the first born marines getting 2Ws and the IG codex to assess the points costs going from a 4+ BS to a 3+ BS. I also predicted several nerfs such as arch contaminatior, loss of the 4++ on daemon engines, and no more DTFE. All my points predictions are without any weapon upgrades and min sized units.

Projected points range within +/- 5pts :

PBC- 180pts
MBH- 120pts
Plague Marines- 110pts
Deathshroud-170pts (this is hard because they historically overprice these for some reason they shouldn’t cost as much as 5x BGVs)
Blightlords- 250
Bloatdrone with mower 135pts
Bloatdrone with HBL 145pts
Bloatdrone with spitters 145pts (BS/WS helped everything but the spitters)
Typhus- 165pts

Didn't loyalist Marines and Necrons get very few points adjustments with their 9th Ed codices? There were also a bunch of weird points changes in the 8th->9th transition that, in retrospect, were predicated on 9th Ed rules changes (eg heavy bolters and multi-meltas). So far the evidence seems to suggest that the 8th->9th points updates were basically previews of their upcoming codex values.

At this point I would assume that, aside from adjustments stemming from the Marines themselves getting an extra wound, there won't be any major points changes.

**Bob Lorgar**

Jidmah wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/12/23/an-update-on-warhammer-releases-in-2021/

Nurgle, bless ’em, they have waited a long time…

Uh huh. Suuuuuuuure they have.

This is where you can actually hear the Emperor's Children and World Eaters players roll their eyes.

**Sasori**

catbarf wrote:
broxus wrote:
So after seeing many of that new data sheets and the leaked rules I thought I would make so some predictions on points. We still do t know a few factors such as if the DG terminators keep their 4++. I will assume in numbers they stay at 4++. I used some analysis from the first born marines getting 2Ws and the IG codex to assess the points costs going from a 4+ BS to a 3+ BS. I also predicted several nerfs such as arch contaminatior, loss of the 4++ on daemon engines, and no more DTFE. All my points predictions are without any weapon upgrades and min sized units.

Projected points range within +/- 5pts :

PBC- 180pts
MBH- 120pts
Plague Marines- 110pts
Deathshroud-170pts (this is hard because they historically overprice these for some reason they shouldn’t cost as much as 5x BGVs)
Blightlords- 250
Bloatdrone with mower 135pts
Bloatdrone with HBL 145pts
Bloatdrone with spitters 145pts (BS/WS helped everything but the spitters)
Typhus- 165pts

Didn't loyalist Marines and Necrons get very few points adjustments with their 9th Ed codices? There were also a bunch of weird points changes in the 8th->9th transition that, in retrospect, were predicated on 9th Ed rules changes (eg heavy bolters and multi-meltas). So far the evidence seems to suggest that the 8th->9th points updates were basically previews of their upcoming codex values.

At this point I would assume that, aside from adjustments stemming from the Marines themselves getting an extra wound, there won't be any major points changes.

Can't speak for Space Marines, but nearly every single unit in the 9th edition Necrons got new point values in the Codex, I can't think of any units offhand that were the same in CA2020 and in the Codex.