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Doohicky wrote:
Has anything been released about what the orb of dessication is on LoC?

Rules? No idea. But it's probably there to account for the thing Felthius had in his other hand.

I can't wait for the rule that only allows a Lord of Contagion to take an Orb of Dessication if he also has a Man Reaper, but not if he has the other weapon option.

So when the new codex drops, do we use the points costs in this faq/errata, or do we use the points in the codex?

 l0k1 wrote:
So when the new codex drops, do we use the points costs in this faq/errata, or do we use the points in the codex?

I would HOPE the Codex. But who knows?

One would hope they exactly the same.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 l0k1 wrote:
So when the new codex drops, do we use the points costs in this faq/errata, or do we use the points in the codex?

I would HOPE the Codex. But who knows?

Given the timing (of the planned publication of the Codex), it'd be this document
But given that publication would be a matter of weeks before this one, there shouldn't be any difference unless they caught a mistake that they couldn't correct before printing.


... but you'd think they'd insert a line of clarification in a self-published pdf like sane people. ('this supersedes the following 9th edition codexes and supplements: necrons, space marines, etc...')

I was happy they said preorders go up on 16JAN.

 Jidmah wrote:

 MinMax wrote:
Please take this discussion to another thread, it's overstayed its welcome in News and Rumours.

You're right, there is no point in arguing with a person that isn't even reading responses anyways.

Edit: I just realized that it sounds like I might be addressing AngryAngel80, I'm not. I read and understood your post. Even though I disagree with it, I will stop this fruitless discussion now as it really doesn't belong in this thread or this sub-forum.

January 16th is the earliest possible date for pre-orders, so let's keep our fingers crossed.

It's all good, I can disagree with someone and respect their opinion on it. It's a art seemingly lost to time if it was ever really easy to come by. Appreciate the clarification though. I just love my nurglings.


Edit: Sounds good with the companies but man, those MBH points, ouch. Does it just sound a bit steep to me or anyone else ? Feels like some good old GW over pointing at its finest or what we call the recost mambo. Even with the upped BS it just feels a bit rough but we haven't seen their rules otherwise so maybe they will still be worth it.

The possessed seem really tasty if I'm honest.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:


Edit: Sounds good with the companies but man, those MBH points, ouch. Does it just sound a bit steep to me or anyone else ? Feels like some good old GW over pointing at its finest or what we call the recost mambo. Even with the upped BS it just feels a bit rough but we haven't seen their rules otherwise so maybe they will still be worth it.

The possessed seem really tasty if I'm honest.

It seems a bit rough, but they were too cheap at 100 for sure. As my friends call them: they are basically DG Hellbrutes, slightly faster, worse in melee but with a 5++ and a bunch of supportive rules. Whether that package is worth 20ish points over Hellbrutes who are already kinda meh is debatable but luckily I personally didn't rush and bought 9 of them while they were arguably OP. 21 for PM seems very nice though, I was personally expecting at least 23 knowing GW.

 Castozor wrote:

 AngryAngel80 wrote:


Edit: Sounds good with the companies but man, those MBH points, ouch. Does it just sound a bit steep to me or anyone else ? Feels like some good old GW over pointing at its finest or what we call the recost mambo. Even with the upped BS it just feels a bit rough but we haven't seen their rules otherwise so maybe they will still be worth it.

The possessed seem really tasty if I'm honest.

It seems a bit rough, but they were too cheap at 100 for sure. As my friends call them: they are basically DG Hellbrutes, slightly faster, worse in melee but with a 5++ and a bunch of supportive rules. Whether that package is worth 20ish points over Hellbrutes who are already kinda meh is debatable but luckily I personally didn't rush and bought 9 of them while they were arguably OP. 21 for PM seems very nice though, I was personally expecting at least 23 knowing GW.

Well, they gained a wound and BS/WS. Presumably they will still have 3/4 of a page of special rules like granting light cover. Perhaps the Tri-Lobe bonus is “counts as round 4” for contagion.

If they don’t keep the cover save aura they are not going to be worth taking. I’m curious if hellbrutes will get -2 to all incoming damage. If so that could be interesting even if they don’t have an invul.

I was looking the new points and Helbrutes don't have an option listed for Missile Launchers.

Also, Is Sigil of Decay a new war gear option for Plague Marines? I don't recognize it.

 l0k1 wrote:
I was looking the new points and Helbrutes don't have an option listed for Missile Launchers.

Also, Is Sigil of Decay a new war gear option for Plague Marines? I don't recognize it.

If the missile launchers are the same price as the base loadout for the helbrute, they won't show up in the points list as an upgrade I think.

Why is the box of plague marines listed as new on the GW website?

 Phobos wrote:
Why is the box of plague marines listed as new on the GW website?

New box, probably.

 l0k1 wrote:
I was looking the new points and Helbrutes don't have an option listed for Missile Launchers.

This is how the new system works. If a weapon or wargear is unlisted, its free. [Well, baked into the base cost. Sometimes.]

Now you may think that for units with a long equipment list, its easy to miss entries or make mistakes, well...

I haven't really looked at the 9th books so I didn't realize. That's interesting. Thanks for clearing it up.

 l0k1 wrote:
I haven't really looked at the 9th books so I didn't realize. That's interesting. Thanks for clearing it up.

Well, it is in the intro to the document as well.

You must then add points for each weapon, or item of wargear, that is included in that unit if it is listed in that unit’s entry (weapons and
wargear not listed in a unit’s entry cost no additional points to include in that unit).

Voss wrote:

 l0k1 wrote:
I haven't really looked at the 9th books so I didn't realize. That's interesting. Thanks for clearing it up.

Well, it is in the intro to the document as well.

You must then add points for each weapon, or item of wargear, that is included in that unit if it is listed in that unit’s entry (weapons and
wargear not listed in a unit’s entry cost no additional points to include in that unit).

After you clarified, I went back and looked at the intro again. In my excitement I skimmed it and went to look for the new points

There is a "sigil of decay" option in the Plague Marines entry. Anyone a guess what that is? Icon of despair is still there, too, so it's not just th with a fancy name.
Daemon Princes' wings are now "foetid"... I wouldn't be surprised to see him only move 10" with those

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
There is a "sigil of decay" option in the Plague Marines entry. Anyone a guess what that is? Icon of despair is still there, too, so it's not just th with a fancy name.
Daemon Princes' wings are now "foetid"... I wouldn't be surprised to see him only move 10" with those

It's probably the thing one of the marines is holding which we were using as icon instead if the overpriced single icon model

 Castozor wrote:

 AngryAngel80 wrote:


Edit: Sounds good with the companies but man, those MBH points, ouch. Does it just sound a bit steep to me or anyone else ? Feels like some good old GW over pointing at its finest or what we call the recost mambo. Even with the upped BS it just feels a bit rough but we haven't seen their rules otherwise so maybe they will still be worth it.

The possessed seem really tasty if I'm honest.

It seems a bit rough, but they were too cheap at 100 for sure. As my friends call them: they are basically DG Hellbrutes, slightly faster, worse in melee but with a 5++ and a bunch of supportive rules. Whether that package is worth 20ish points over Hellbrutes who are already kinda meh is debatable but luckily I personally didn't rush and bought 9 of them while they were arguably OP. 21 for PM seems very nice though, I was personally expecting at least 23 knowing GW.

Yeah I have a feeling like the MBH is going to see a point adjustment in the not too distant future. Though the plague marine price at 21 is alright so that is something I suppose.

Only problem I see with MBH at this point cost is that running 3 of them is going to be very expensive. Could be that they removed the trifecta bonus from them so there is no need to run a squad of 3 anymore. I wouldn't mind that.

They already said that trilobe is going to be a thing though.

If they remain mostly unchanged, they might be hitting on 2+, which is pretty a pretty awesome thing to do for multi-meltas and missiles. I would still bring 3 of those, but the higher point costs surely would throw a wrench in the lists bringing 6-9 of them currently.

So no greater possessed or lord discordant in the new dex, and all lesser daemons are out that's very disappointing. Loyal marines get more and more access to extra datasheets over the editions and we lost entries and didn't get fluffy additions to bolster our limited roster.

Also a lot of the price hikes for vehicles are undeserved, yes BS rises for daemon engines but the new disgustingly resilient is a lot worse than 5+++.

Sninsch wrote:
So no greater possessed or lord discordant in the new dex, and all lesser daemons are out that's very disappointing. Loyal marines get more and more access to extra datasheets over the editions and we lost entries and didn't get fluffy additions to bolster our limited roster.

Also a lot of the price hikes for vehicles are undeserved, yes BS rises for daemon engines but the new disgustingly resilient is a lot worse than 5+++.

Lord Discordants don't fit with the fluff. Greater possessed is weird to be absent.

Also, you haven't seen the rules - how can you say the vehicles are over priced?!

Plague Marines are looking mighty tasty at 21 points. That's cheaper than I expected. Glad I stocked up on a few.

Umbros wrote:
Lord Discordants don't fit with the fluff. Greater possessed is weird to be absent.

Also, you haven't seen the rules - how can you say the vehicles are over priced?!

It's pretty unlikely that PBC, defilers or drones get any new rules beyond what we know. The only one still up for questions is the MBH since it has a pile of special rules which might or might not have changed.

 Jidmah wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
There is a "sigil of decay" option in the Plague Marines entry. Anyone a guess what that is? Icon of despair is still there, too, so it's not just th with a fancy name.
Daemon Princes' wings are now "foetid"... I wouldn't be surprised to see him only move 10" with those

It's probably the thing one of the marines is holding which we were using as icon instead if the overpriced single icon model

That would be the icon of despair.

Voss wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
There is a "sigil of decay" option in the Plague Marines entry. Anyone a guess what that is? Icon of despair is still there, too, so it's not just th with a fancy name.
Daemon Princes' wings are now "foetid"... I wouldn't be surprised to see him only move 10" with those

It's probably the thing one of the marines is holding which we were using as icon instead if the overpriced single icon model

That would be the icon of despair.

These are icons:


I'm talking about the guy who apparently forgot to bring a pole, seen in the back:

That piece was always explicitly labelled as an Icon of Despair:

There’s an Icon of Despair included, so your unit can feature an icon bearer.

But yeah, you're probably right that the MP icon will now be the Sigil

Good shout although that would mean you don't get an icon in the PM box. Perhaps it could be run as either.