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Yeah, we really need the Lord of Contagion to be released separately. Also, as far as the DI Marines go, it's add that it looks like the aspiring champion is going to be released separately, but not the others. Which is sad since the DI models are incredible. I mean, this guy is often used as the public face of Plague Marines:

 GaroRobe wrote:
I regret not picking the LoC off ebay when he was $10 or less

Not to rub salt in the wound but thought something like this would happen so picked one up last weekend off ebay for a tenner.


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Imagine LoC and DI PM will make an appearance at some point though.

We've still got that campaign book coming up with the DG having a major role, might see some of the other DI models dropped alongside it. Fingers crossed.

It's a lot less likely that the DI LOC will be released outside of any larger box/bundle, as he shares his sprue with the Drone and four randos.

It's also possible they release Felthius as a stand-alone kit. The only bit not his sprue is the base decoration with his feet, which could be replaced by a base similar to those that space marine heros have.

That said, I'm quite happy to have two of each LoC and sad that I converted the third Felthius into a Deathshroud terminator

 Lord Damocles wrote:
It's a lot less likely that the DI LOC will be released outside of any larger box/bundle, as he shares his sprue with the Drone and four randos.

Wasn’t that revealed as being released? With the plague caster and the bell guy?

EDIT: Scratch that. Just remembered it’s the champion or whoever as the third guy..

So far the Combat Patrol boxes have all been pretty massive disappointments. The Deathwatch box is just generally boring and aside from getting the Aggressors into melee will struggle to deal with anything other than basic enemy infantry. The Space Wolf box limits the potential value of the box to non-space wolf players by including a space wolf specific LT, as well as including Reivers which most people don't really want any part of. The Blood Angels is the best of the boxes so far as it gives you the most value of the three thus far released, and while Incursors/Infiltrators are less than ideal you can at least work with them a bit - but if you're a Blood Angels player you probably would never want to actually buy it.

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This box has all the same problems as the Thousand Sons start collecting - a unique HQ character that limits the viability of buying multiple copies to build out an army, and a reliance on basic troops that lack punch against heavier units that your opponent might bring to the table.

 Jidmah wrote:
It's also possible they release Felthius as a stand-alone kit. The only bit not his sprue is the base decoration with his feet, which could be replaced by a base similar to those that space marine heros have.

That said, I'm quite happy to have two of each LoC and sad that I converted the third Felthius into a Deathshroud terminator

The Felthius kit could easily be released as a "champion" box like the one currently being released. I am, however, very glad that I have three LoC and a Felthius so I won't be wanting anything for some time.

So 30 poxwalkers in the box with a max unit size of 20. I Think we may be looking at a increase in unit size.

Ok, still hopeful the book will be aces. The good out of the way, onto the bad. Mean this combat patrol box feels like it sucks.

If you are a brand new player, you may pick up one, but that would end up being it. Any saved money will be wasted with a second Typhus. That's bad for buyers and for stores to carry this box.

I'd further add we don't know if the PW are keeping the FNP or not so they could just be hot garbage that might just be immune to morale. We know DR doesn't help them, they couldn't even get an armor save without being in cover already so unless they keep FNP in some fashion are they even going to be worth it really ? Especially in these numbers ?

I was excited to see they were getting a box, then equally deflated to see the contents. Not even a blight drone ? Seriously ? Why not place a LoC in there instead of Typhus ? You know that model you haven't released on its own from the DI kit ?

As others said why not just place the DI DG half for their combat patrol ? This combat patrol stuff is starting to feel half baked and poorly rolled out.

Sorry for the negative but I just had to voice some of what I'm sure some of us are thinking when we saw this.

Edit: As some said these are poor values when you account for usefulness or buying multiples. I don't think they want them bought in multiple though, this feels most like they want you just to buy one and done. Looks like our sweet new GW wants to limit any thoughts of loss leaders or even the dream of savings in its path forward.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
Ok, still hopeful the book will be aces. The good out of the way, onto the bad. Mean this combat patrol box feels like it sucks.

If you are a brand new player, you may pick up one, but that would end up being it. Any saved money will be wasted with a second Typhus. That's bad for buyers and for stores to carry this box.

I'd further add we don't know if the PW are keeping the FNP or not so they could just be hot garbage that might just be immune to morale. We know DR doesn't help them, they couldn't even get an armor save without being in cover already so unless they keep FNP in some fashion are they even going to be worth it really ? Especially in these numbers ?

I was excited to see they were getting a box, then equally deflated to see the contents. Not even a blight drone ? Seriously ? Why not place a LoC in there instead of Typhus ? You know that model you haven't released on its own from the DI kit ?

As others said why not just place the DI DG half for their combat patrol ? This combat patrol stuff is starting to feel half baked and poorly rolled out.

Sorry for the negative but I just had to voice some of what I'm sure some of us are thinking when we saw this.

yeah but there are 30 poxwalkers in the box so if that mean a bigger mac unit size, it could make up for the lack of Fnp bit

Unless you run Typhus and he keeps the raising of toughness up, how hard is it to waste 30 models with no save and 3 toughness ? Also you'd be spending how much money to buy these max unit sizes ? We will need to see what they do with the rules but I'm not super excited about the prospects right now, if all they are is squishy morale immune instant dead things I think they'd need to be cheaper point wise.

I actually like the new DG combat patrol. I still think it was a mistake to abandon start collecting as a price point (they were ~90 in USD whereas the new ones are 140, triple-digit prices having WAY different optics regardless of % savings), but as a box I think it is cool. The reality is I would be converting that awful Typhus pose anyways so pushing it further into a different HQ choice isn't much of a stretch. But that's me personally.

On a broader view, not sure if GW gains or loses by having a named HQ like that. It de-incentivises duplicate buys which is lost sales UNLESS such an individual goes and buys the models via individual box. I am guess the bean counters determined the trade off was beneficial.

Talbaz wrote:
yeah but there are 30 poxwalkers in the box so if that mean a bigger mac unit size, it could make up for the lack of Fnp bit

Unit size is 10-20 in the 2021 point list. Given the DG codex was already intended to be out (the finalized codex would have been sent to printers months ago), it seems likely that's final.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I actually like the new DG combat patrol. I still think it was a mistake to abandon start collecting as a price point (they were ~90 in USD whereas the new ones are 140, triple-digit prices having WAY different optics regardless of % savings), but as a box I think it is cool. The reality is I would be converting that awful Typhus pose anyways so pushing it further into a different HQ choice isn't much of a stretch. But that's me personally.

On a broader view, not sure if GW gains or loses by having a named HQ like that. It de-incentivises duplicate buys which is lost sales UNLESS such an individual goes and buys the models via individual box. I am guess the bean counters determined the trade off was beneficial.

As a one of buy it might end up ok, but that remains to be seen if the PW are worth really anything. As it is, it feels like an overly week core of an army. You get one named character, one plague marine squad which is good and some questionable plague walkers which might end up being box trash depending on if they are kept viable. Just because they over cost plague walkers to buy doesn't just make the box a good savings then, if they won't be useful or helpful to an army list they take away value and don't add it. As well unless you are really spending a lot of time converting the typhus model that is just dead money eroding the value of an already over expensive box set.

Just getting back into 40k. It says Death Guard Plague Marines 5 to 10. Is that the max the can be now upgraded in the squad? Or can I still make a twenty marine squad?

Seems max of 10 is the only way now.

Boourns!

Mat

Yeah it's pretty weak, where my 14 man squad ? In the ashes of history.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I actually like the new DG combat patrol. I still think it was a mistake to abandon start collecting as a price point (they were ~90 in USD whereas the new ones are 140, triple-digit prices having WAY different optics regardless of % savings), but as a box I think it is cool. The reality is I would be converting that awful Typhus pose anyways so pushing it further into a different HQ choice isn't much of a stretch. But that's me personally.

On a broader view, not sure if GW gains or loses by having a named HQ like that. It de-incentivises duplicate buys which is lost sales UNLESS such an individual goes and buys the models via individual box. I am guess the bean counters determined the trade off was beneficial.

As a one of buy it might end up ok, but that remains to be seen if the PW are worth really anything. As it is, it feels like an overly week core of an army. You get one named character, one plague marine squad which is good and some questionable plague walkers which might end up being box trash depending on if they are kept viable. Just because they over cost plague walkers to buy doesn't just make the box a good savings then, if they won't be useful or helpful to an army list they take away value and don't add it. As well unless you are really spending a lot of time converting the typhus model that is just dead money eroding the value of an already over expensive box set.

Fair point, if the poxies aren't worth it then the box loses a lot of luster.

That's what I'm kind of worried of for this, like this box isn't for me. I already have my poxies/zombies and I'll try them even if they are terrible. I've played this game a long time though.

These boxes seemed designed for new pick ups or those who just started. Selling someone on an expensive box, and 140$ USD for a starter box is expensive to get someone to swallow right off is already hard but then if the units inside are weak, feel weak or even kinda useless, well it would make them feel like this isn't a good fit for them.

This may be the largest case of niche interest and lower use units in these boxes. Won't do any good for their ideal target, a new player with a lack luster offering, at a high price, that ends up making them feel like they made a mistake because vets don't even like or say people should take some of these units.

I hope my skepticism ends up being wrong but I love the DG faction and really was looking forward to this combat patrol box, thinking it might be really nice, all the air left when I saw it. Now I'm just concerned this may end up being a dead fish for a quick start to the army. Was good luck for the players who started them back in the DI days.

Hope the codex ends up great though.

Yeah, DI/ETB/Conquest Death Guard was one of the cheapest armies to build, and I still spend a lot of money.

It feels like GW could sell a lot more expensive kits if they made getting getting into an army as easy as this - people buy the box twice, end up with a decent army base, but will eventually have to get more stuff to properly play it.

Yeah I was thinking it would be like the plague marines of course, a blight drone maybe, hell they could have put a MBH in it because of how how expensive it would be. Kind of thought the LoC would be with it as a way to get that, they could have put possessed in it and maybe people would have been happy to see them this time.

I guess we will find out when the book rules leak and we see what the poxies are looking like but from what we know, feels like this could have been much nicer. Though there have been a couple people saying it looked amazing, by far the reception has been more, wha ?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
So far the Combat Patrol boxes have all been pretty massive disappointments. The Deathwatch box is just generally boring and aside from getting the Aggressors into melee will struggle to deal with anything other than basic enemy infantry. The Space Wolf box limits the potential value of the box to non-space wolf players by including a space wolf specific LT, as well as including Reivers which most people don't really want any part of. The Blood Angels is the best of the boxes so far as it gives you the most value of the three thus far released, and while Incursors/Infiltrators are less than ideal you can at least work with them a bit - but if you're a Blood Angels player you probably would never want to actually buy it.

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This box has all the same problems as the Thousand Sons start collecting - a unique HQ character that limits the viability of buying multiple copies to build out an army, and a reliance on basic troops that lack punch against heavier units that your opponent might bring to the table.

So people can't build majority of army on discount. Just as gw planned.

Gw has only one goal. Transfer money from your wallet to theirs with minimal expenses

That is fine but sooner or later the current whales will dry up and the old timers that aren't whales will not buy into these over expensive and bland boxes.

This is supposed to be a way to entice and create a new audience but when they are dull, expensive and only a solitary purchase that doesn't really do what they want. Sold on a lack luster product that still feels expensive and lacks on the board effectiveness will just lead to new blood feeling taken for a ride and not breed confidence to spend more.

Sure they are supposed to greedy but they at least used to act like they were giving discounts.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Seems max of 10 is the only way now.

This is the way.

Special rules article

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/01/11/7-of-the-most-gruesome-new-rules-for-the-death-guard/

Abridged summary:

Mortarion has three Warlord traits (when he is your Warlord)

Poxwalkers are now T4 and hit on a 4+ as standard

Chaos Lords & Sorcerers are now T5 with DR + Contagions of Nurgle

Other Contagions from various Plague Companies: The Droning (halves enemy unit's move characteristic when it is within CR range of the Warlord at the start of the opponent's movement phase), and Nurgle's Fruit (While an enemy unit is within CR range of this unit, each time an attack is made by a friendly Mortarion's Chosen Sons model against that unit, the target does not receive the benefits of cover against that attack)

Deathshroud get a sweep attack (S+1 AP-1 D1, 2 hit rolls per attack), but Manreapers are now -1 to hit. New Wargear, Chimes of Contagion, adds 3" to the range of their Contagions of Nurgle ability

Custom Contagion rules in Crusade

Fleshmower has been changed to do 3 hit rolls per attack (S+1, AP-2, D2)

Ordered myself 2 boxes of Deathshroud moments after reading that article

Poxwalkers increased to T4, 7+ save. WS4+ and A2, no special rules listed yet.

Revoltingly Resilient interests me...