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 lare2 wrote:
Revoltingly Resilient interests me...

Yes, this and the fact he can take one of the Plague Company's warlord traits makes that Droning Trait really attractive. Mortarion running around with a -1T bubble and a half-movement bubble starting at 9". Units won't be able to get away from him.

Pleased that Chaos Lords and Sorcerers are proper Deathguard now. My OCD always struggled with that.

Deathshroud almost feel like actually being worth 50ppm.

And drones with 12 attacks is just vicious. If Blades of Putrefaction remains intact, it will just outright slaughter any marine unit it touches.

 Denny wrote:
Pleased that Chaos Lords and Sorcerers are proper Deathguard now. My OCD always struggled with that.

Yeah. It made those entries virtually worthless in comparison, and they never felt like part of the army.
They don't even pay much for the boost either (+5 points of vanilla lords and sorcerers). Though the 'malignant plaguecaster' seems to be the only non-terminator sorcerer now.

Most of this looks good.
Unsure I care about the poxwalker changes. They still feel like a chaff unit that's worse at its job. T4 doesn't make up for losing 5+++.

If there truely are no other changes to poxwalkers, I also see reason to play them outside of getting a cheap third troops unit. It would be quite easy to make them more powerful with stratagems though.

 Jidmah wrote:
If there truely are no other changes to poxwalkers, I also see reason to play them outside of getting a cheap third troops unit. It would be quite easy to make them more powerful with stratagems though.

Agreed. Upon first inspection, I feel like I'll be running PMs, one unit of MBH, PBC, drones and either terminators or Mortarion.

I reckon there'll be more to Poxwalkers than meets the eye.

Even if there isn't, being able to throw 10 ablative wounds on a backfield objective for 50 points is far from terrible.

 Jidmah wrote:
Deathshroud almost feel like actually being worth 50ppm.

And drones with 12 attacks is just vicious. If Blades of Putrefaction remains intact, it will just outright slaughter any marine unit it touches.

They are worth it so long as they keep the 4++. We now know that the 2+ WS was to offset the +1 to hit with manreapers so no real gains there.

Max 12 attacks it says.
They have base 4 so this confirms that FBD at least does not have Hateful assault, even though it did have it in current codex.

All signs point to it being gone imo as vehicles have it still for Space Marines

Point for point I think poxwalkers might be more resilient against the sort of weapons generally used to kill them.
they are equally resilient against a lasgun and marginally weaker against a boltgun, except now you can get three poxies for the cost of two.
With a minimum size unit now costing 50pts rather than 70 they are great for completing actions even if they raise a banner/deploy scramblers in your first turn then die...

broxus wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Deathshroud almost feel like actually being worth 50ppm.

And drones with 12 attacks is just vicious. If Blades of Putrefaction remains intact, it will just outright slaughter any marine unit it touches.

They are worth it so long as they keep the 4++. We now know that the 2+ WS was to offset the +1 to hit with manreapers so no real gains there.

If there were no hit mod with the cleaving strike it would have been too much. I'm assuming they are at least 3 attacks a piece, so your hitting twice per model on average dice before any rerolls.

The fact that they hit on 2's with the reaping blow is more critical since it prevents them from being bogged down by chaf. Now each guy is getting 5 hits each with a plague weapon.

Don't forget they extend the range of the contagions, so the strength being 7/5 respectively means they are wounding marines and chaf on 2's still rerolling 1's.

They have to have some chance at whiffing.

 puma713 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Seems max of 10 is the only way now.

This is the way.

Doesnt the new PM box still sells 7?

 Red Corsair wrote:
If there were no hit mod with the cleaving strike it would have been too much. I'm assuming they are at least 3 attacks a piece, so your hitting twice per model on average dice before any rerolls.

*points to first post* We know that they will have 4 attacks per model and +1 on the champion.
A unit of 3 will have either 13 S7 AP-3 2 damage attacks hitting on 3s or 26 S5 Ap-1 Attacks hitting on 2s, both re-rolling ones to wound.

Probably means that Lords of Contagion with a Manreaper & Typhus are going to get some kind of sweep attack as well. Niiiiiiice.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 puma713 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Seems max of 10 is the only way now.

This is the way.

Doesnt the new PM box still sells 7?

Right. 3 boxes gets you 2 full units (21, minus one of the Champions).

Execpt there are two max squad size, one in the Field Munatorium field manual faq (5-10), and was in the power rating faq (5-20)

The chances of Hateful assault still being a thing are becoming less and less.

I mean, 10 attacks per terminator?

 lare2 wrote:
I reckon there'll be more to Poxwalkers than meets the eye.

I doubt that they're Transformers.

An interesting mix of rules, but it is also interesting that neither DttFE nor Hateful Assault got a mention.

 Dysartes wrote:

 lare2 wrote:
I reckon there'll be more to Poxwalkers than meets the eye.

I doubt that they're Transformers.

An interesting mix of rules, but it is also interesting that neither DttFE nor Hateful Assault got a mention.

DttFE is going to be a stratagem. DG got the equivalent of ATSKNF afterall ("Remorseless") and loyalists also have the equivalent of DttFE as a stratagem (and against Chaos).

Hateful Assault seems to be gone. DG units got an extra Attack anyway therefore I don't care. However I'm wondering if it is something specific to the DG (maybe to represent their relative slowness ?) or something we are gonna see for all CSM.

Hateful Assault may be gone, but is odd they gave us malicious volleys still. Not to mention ATSKNF. Why so many rules similar to space marine, but just remove one. I think ther is a chance it is still in there, but I just can’t see giving a bloat drone 15 attacks on the charge balanced for 135pts. Then again, Blace Guard Vetrrans and Sanguinary Guard exist.

Custom contagions for crusade!? Interest in the army just doubled.

Well toughness 4 is better but we still need to see more. Like does typhus buff them further ? With a toughness 5 they might not need a save of any kind to shrug off some damage and for their cost that would be tasty. However we don't know if they will get that or if they will be able to do actions or will keep their immunity to morale do we ?

Still a lot up in the air with the poxies, but the to hit increase while nice isn't a real selling point to me as mostly they will end up as backfield meatpopsicles so long as they can interact with objectives still.

Still feels like a pretty weak starter box though, giving you one unit that can do things and 30 meatpopsicles with typhus. However I'll change that up if he still buffs their toughness or gives them feel no pain that could make the poxies used in certain ways some level of effective still as an offensive weapon, defensive detour which would be much better than simply, some dudes ready to die standing next to their happy meals.

Assuming they keep Fearless, Poxwalkers will be a better objective baby sitter than Cultists at minimum.

I'd agree with that which gives them a use.

However that use alone would make the combat patrol box a real boring and lackluster box. Which is why I am thinking there has to be more we haven't seen or some devil in the details to make them more than just an objective camper unit or that box will end up being a pretty big fail.

I mean who needs one unit who can do something ( plague marines ) and a bunch of objective campers with extremely limited damage output.

For their use though it makes me wonder on the whole picture for them or if they just are a cheap T4 objective camper. Which would be alright but not very exciting.

I’m curious if poxwalkers and Cultists will get the CORE keyword and if they spread contagions. If so the damage output of Poxwalkers was significantly improved.

Also, curious if they can do actions such as raise banners.

That is it too, would be nice if poxwalkers could spread contagion, I mean sense would make you think they could or would as they are literally the walking dead killed by a nurgle plague. Logic doesn't need to infringe on GW rules however.

 Dysartes wrote:

 lare2 wrote:
I reckon there'll be more to Poxwalkers than meets the eye.

I doubt that they're Transformers.

That made me chortle.

 lare2 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 lare2 wrote:
I reckon there'll be more to Poxwalkers than meets the eye.

I doubt that they're Transformers.

That made me chortle.

I actually spoke the " More than meets the eye " as it would be said in the cartoon. Sad I know, but totally true.

So the chimes seems like it might be an interesting include since it adds range to the contagion rule, but 15pts might be too steep. Still haven't said what the Sigil of Decay does.