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Have you guys actually tested what you're criticizing ? I don't own IAC , but I'm able to add and configure Leviathans and Deredeos just like any other marine unit. The limitation is that I don't see the actual rules for them, those are locked - but it gives me the option to add 0-3 HKMs and so on

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Why are some of you expecting a different result?

And lets not forget what happened with GW's other digital subscription service - White Dwarf - where one day they just deleted the app and all four subscribers lost access to all of the digital issues they'd paid for...

It surprises me how much GW seems to push Crusade, but the app doesn’t support it at all. In addition to the codex rules not including any of the Crusade rules, now the army builder only does Points, no option for Power.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Why are some of you expecting a different result?

And lets not forget what happened with GW's other digital subscription service - White Dwarf - where one day they just deleted the app and all four subscribers lost access to all of the digital issues they'd paid for...

Not true - I've just re-downloaded the app on my phone and all my issues are still there.


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 AduroT wrote:
It surprises me how much GW seems to push Crusade, but the app doesn’t support it at all. In addition to the codex rules not including any of the Crusade rules, now the army builder only does Points, no option for Power.

Isn't Combat Roster their PL list builder?

To be honest, I don't need another monthly subscription just to centralise army building on my phone, I'll stick to Battlescribe for now, as it's free and not in Beta.

The ship has sailed in my opinion for this to be a credible app.

5$ a month may not feel like much, but it adds up, and it's more than I want to spend on a GW app when I'm already giving them more than I want to for over expensive models and rapid fire burn and churn books.

That and I actually like to make lists the old fashioned way I find it helps you remember your options, points, set ups a bit easier because you have to actually think for it. Just something I find that helps me.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
5$ a month may not feel like much, but it adds up, and it's more than I want to spend on a GW app when I'm already giving them more than I want to for over expensive models and rapid fire burn and churn books.

$5 a month is $120 a year. The choice between a barely functional app and two additional boxes of miniatures is a rather easy one.

 AduroT wrote:
It surprises me how much GW seems to push Crusade, but the app doesn’t support it at all. In addition to the codex rules not including any of the Crusade rules, now the army builder only does Points, no option for Power.

From the questions they're asking they went with points first because they think that's the most popular. Adding PL is one of the options they give for what we'd like to be added next.

Remember this is a work in progress, and giving feedback like this is important - even if you don't plan on using the app in its current state you can give your opinion and hopefully they'll add what you wanted soon.

There's a link at the end of the article announcing the beta, please use it

Maybe they'll rethink their pricing if enough people tell them they're being unreasonable. I'm certainly not going to pay 100+ euros a year for this if I'm still basically forced to buy all the books. The price would be reasonable if it unlocked all book codes like it does with the 8th edition stuff, at least to me.

nekooni wrote:
Maybe they'll rethink their pricing if enough people tell them they're being unreasonable. I'm certainly not going to pay 100+ euros a year for this if I'm still basically forced to buy all the books. The price would be reasonable if it unlocked all book codes like it does with the 8th edition stuff, at least to me.

Agree, a stable app with good enough usability and all the rules inside would be worth 5€ to me as well.

 Jidmah wrote:

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
5$ a month may not feel like much, but it adds up, and it's more than I want to spend on a GW app when I'm already giving them more than I want to for over expensive models and rapid fire burn and churn books.

$5 a month is $120 a year. The choice between a barely functional app and two additional boxes of miniatures is a rather easy one.

I agree with you, but isn't it 60$ a year at that cost ?

Still for me not worth it with all the other costs that this hobby has with it.

I love the psychology of app subscription prices. I’m actively playing 40k, don’t want to pay $5 a month for the app. I haven’t played AoS in over a year, but have never bothered unsubscribing from Azyr’s $1 a month. I’m not sure where the line between those two price points falls exactly.

 AduroT wrote:
I love the psychology of app subscription prices. I’m actively playing 40k, don’t want to pay $5 a month for the app. I haven’t played AoS in over a year, but have never bothered unsubscribing from Azyr’s $1 a month. I’m not sure where the line between those two price points falls exactly.

£60 is a lot more than £12.

£60 will buy you a couple of boxes, £12 won't even get you a character sprue these days.

nekooni wrote:

Maybe they'll rethink their pricing if enough people tell them they're being unreasonable. I'm certainly not going to pay 100+ euros a year for this if I'm still basically forced to buy all the books. The price would be reasonable if it unlocked all book codes like it does with the 8th edition stuff, at least to me.

I'm informing them of their unreasonability by not buying it or using it.

Conversely, I've bought a number of digital books/products for D&D beyond and roll20 for the D&D campaigns I'm playing/running - a couple hundred dollars at least by now. I'm not afraid to spend the money if the value is there - but right now the benchmark for functionality is the likes of Battlescribe (and the old Army Builder) and this app doesn't even meet those standards. Hell, the dead FFG X-Wing app makes this one look like an insult.

Decided to give it a whirl. When trying to change loadout on my proteus kill team members, it crashed....every time.

nekooni wrote:
Have you guys actually tested what you're criticizing ? I don't own IAC , but I'm able to add and configure Leviathans and Deredeos just like any other marine unit. The limitation is that I don't see the actual rules for them, those are locked - but it gives me the option to add 0-3 HKMs and so on

Testing before critique? Novel concept around here.

beast_gts wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Why are some of you expecting a different result?

And lets not forget what happened with GW's other digital subscription service - White Dwarf - where one day they just deleted the app and all four subscribers lost access to all of the digital issues they'd paid for...

Not true - I've just re-downloaded the app on my phone and all my issues are still there.

Issues from the current digital run, or the previous one which ended July 2018?

 AduroT wrote:
It surprises me how much GW seems to push Crusade, but the app doesn’t support it at all. In addition to the codex rules not including any of the Crusade rules, now the army builder only does Points, no option for Power.

Feature creep. GW has a giant list of things to add to the app that got cut down to the minimum viable product to get it out the door. Crusade is on there... somewhere, but given basically all they initially got out the door was the old dataset and a payment system.... it's probably way down the list.

 Stormonu wrote:

nekooni wrote:

Maybe they'll rethink their pricing if enough people tell them they're being unreasonable. I'm certainly not going to pay 100+ euros a year for this if I'm still basically forced to buy all the books. The price would be reasonable if it unlocked all book codes like it does with the 8th edition stuff, at least to me.

I'm informing them of their unreasonability by not buying it or using it.

I'd recommend also giving them that feedback through their dedicated feedback page for the app: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/FPBZ89Y
After giving Feedback it'll ask you to fill out an optional questionaire, too.

nekooni wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:

nekooni wrote:

Maybe they'll rethink their pricing if enough people tell them they're being unreasonable. I'm certainly not going to pay 100+ euros a year for this if I'm still basically forced to buy all the books. The price would be reasonable if it unlocked all book codes like it does with the 8th edition stuff, at least to me.

I'm informing them of their unreasonability by not buying it or using it.

I'd recommend also giving them that feedback through their dedicated feedback page for the app: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/FPBZ89Y
After giving Feedback it'll ask you to fill out an optional questionaire, too.

Thank you for the feedback link. I have paid for the subscription since day 1 in hopes to have a great single point of reference for my army and all rules. There have been numerous errors in the codecies and this army building portion is really poor and incomplete (I can't even build my Craftworld army that I regularly use). I am most likely cancelling subscription as a result.

Its incomplete...almost like a beta...

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
Its incomplete...almost like a beta...

You pay for it...almost like a product...

 Jidmah wrote:

nekooni wrote:
Maybe they'll rethink their pricing if enough people tell them they're being unreasonable. I'm certainly not going to pay 100+ euros a year for this if I'm still basically forced to buy all the books. The price would be reasonable if it unlocked all book codes like it does with the 8th edition stuff, at least to me.

Agree, a stable app with good enough usability and all the rules inside would be worth 5€ to me as well.

Yep, 5 quid a month for all the rules - ALL of them - and they'd even get me, notorious GW-hater that I am, on board.

I'm torn on the app. I actually pay for Battlescribe Pro, so I'm not against paying for apps, but the difference in features is pretty stark for what is essentially a $60 a year product vs $10 a year for not just phone but computer as well. While it has a lot of great features, slick, easy to read look, and is usually pretty intuitive, the few glaring features missing and the price really turn me off.

The key issues being what one would consider basic features, or at least I would.

*No way to copy paste units
*No way to copy paste models in units, very annoying for units with lots of options like vanguard vets or nobs. If you want shoota boyz for example you have to manually switch each boy over to a shoota, and when you add more boyz they default to choppa, very annoying
*No way to save customized units with names, one of my favorite BS features. All my usual setups are saved in battlescribe so I can have certain models with lots of wargear in my collection be added with a single tap
*0 Legends support, although I guess that's to be expected
*Clunky implementation of pregame strategems and abilities such as tank ace.

There are some really nice pros though
*All the codexes are built in, or at least they are on mine. I can pull up IG and Ork rules willy nilly, be that strategems, wargear, profiles, warlord traits, etc. I really like how when you're scrolling through they show the rules right there so you can read your options without having to manually view yeah one like BS does. Most rules and profiles are easy to find, quick to view, and read very easily, making it easy to pick out what you're looking for quickly.
*Just looks good all around, and having pictures for units is nice when you're in a hurry
*The list sharing feature seems much more easy to read than Battlescribes abominations of army list printouts can be.

Overall, I think if they fix the bugs and rules issues it could be a nice little app. I'd much rather a newbie show me his list with this than Battlescribe, since stuff like pictures and big, easy to read entries make it a lot more usable during a game without having to zoom in on a tiny black and white pdfs. Really my biggest issue is price, it just doesn't feel remotely worth $5 a month as it sits, even if it was fully functional. That said I remember back in the day of ArmyBuilder I want to say that was 20-30 bucks a year so I guess it's not too far off. If I got access to all the codexes and rules with the 5$ a month subscription I'd be more tempted. After all that's about a codex and a half a year, so considering it updates itself for you and can consolidate in faqs/errata it would probably be worth it to me. But since I need to buy my codexes AND pay subscription to get full features, it's just not worth it to me.

Battle scribe is a one off £2 isint it ?

Worth!

If $5 a month gave you all Codexes ever and all the stuff in the app I’d pay that.

Yeh Id pay a £5 sub for all codex rules and army builder.

But £5 a month on top of several £20+ books ? nuhuhhh...

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
*No way to copy paste units
*No way to copy paste models in units, very annoying for units with lots of options like vanguard vets or nobs. If you want shoota boyz for example you have to manually switch each boy over to a shoota, and when you add more boyz they default to choppa, very annoying
*No way to save customized units with names, one of my favorite BS features. All my usual setups are saved in battlescribe so I can have certain models with lots of wargear in my collection be added with a single tap

Quick fyi: they're aware unit duplication is missing,it's one of the items they offer as "what should we add next" options. Go vote for it

I perfectly agree with above. 5 quid a month and I still have to buy my Codex ata premium price any 2-3 year?

Insanity. With all the Codex and rules included and some extra functionality, it could be a killer app (for tournament player, but also for casual gamers), a way to test and plan new armies and a good tool even if 5 qla month is pretty steep for an app.

As it is, it's one of the many whale-buyer harpoons GW had, but it's irrelevant for my gaming environment, and even more irrelevant in time of Covid

nekooni wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
*No way to copy paste units
*No way to copy paste models in units, very annoying for units with lots of options like vanguard vets or nobs. If you want shoota boyz for example you have to manually switch each boy over to a shoota, and when you add more boyz they default to choppa, very annoying
*No way to save customized units with names, one of my favorite BS features. All my usual setups are saved in battlescribe so I can have certain models with lots of wargear in my collection be added with a single tap

Quick fyi: they're aware unit duplication is missing,it's one of the items they offer as "what should we add next" options. Go vote for it

Figured it was just missing or something. That seemed pretty obvious. My other issues still stand unfortunately. I don't really feel like this app is designed by people that play this game on a regular basis. Some of these features are brutally obvious if you play this game even once a month.

Argive wrote:Yeh Id pay a £5 sub for all codex rules and army builder.

But £5 a month on top of several £20+ books ? nuhuhhh...

AduroT wrote:If $5 a month gave you all Codexes ever and all the stuff in the app I’d pay that.

Cybtroll wrote:I perfectly agree with above. 5 quid a month and I still have to buy my Codex ata premium price any 2-3 year?

Insanity. With all the Codex and rules included and some extra functionality, it could be a killer app (for tournament player, but also for casual gamers), a way to test and plan new armies and a good tool even if 5 qla month is pretty steep for an app.

As it is, it's one of the many whale-buyer harpoons GW had, but it's irrelevant for my gaming environment, and even more irrelevant in time of Covid

I have a feeling there's a large amount of players that would be in this boat. Of course the issue is if you offer this subscription service your codex sales are going to fall off a cliff, so I don't really have any hope that it will eventually be implemented that way. At least you can view all the basic rules, wargear, and strategems (or at least appear to be intended to, given a few missing options like Kustom Jobs have their equivalent showing up for other armies) However, Battlescribe already does this, so they're not really beating Battlescribe in any way other than nice looks, which admittedly is a real selling point that I agree with. The real test will be to see if GW is quick at updating the rules in it quickly and without errors. For a team of volunteers the Battlescribe roster editors are pretty quick on updates and have done a pretty decent job of avoiding errors for the most part. Which is pretty impressive when you remember, they're not employed by Battlescribe, they're technically just random guys volunteering their time.

I think a good compromise GW could do would be to include a free code for the list builder with each codex/book they sell that just unlocks the rules for that faction. So if I bought the space marine codex, I could write lists for Space marines, but that's it. Unless I buy the supplement, I don't have the fancy extra rules for Ultramarines or what have you. While not ideal, I'd take that compromise as it gives us "free" access to go alongside our free digital codex, but GW keeps their codex sales. In fact I'd recommend people try including that in feedback forms. Well never get codexes with the subscription, but we might just be able to get the roster editors thrown in for free with codex sales, and it'd be a nice selling point to say that each codex comes with a code for a ready to go army roster editor. Heck you don't even need to throw in an extra code, you just have the app check for the Book code, and when it's entered it also unlocks that army roster.

Plus, this gives the subscription of the app a purpose too, as it keeps rules for ALL the factions and all the army builders. Granted it would be for more hardcore tournament players at that point, but the ability to pull up every single rule quickly at a moment's notice for a tournament player would definitely be worth it.

I actually don't hate the codex unlock system. Obviously its not the most consumer friendly thing out there but they're a great product for the FLGS and functions well in the app with no subscription.

The main issue is that the codex works so well that it highlights you're paying $5 for JUST the list builder, which you're going to have a hard time telling me is ever worth that price even with every feature on my wish list.