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 Easy E wrote:
Tell me a tentpole show in the last 5 years fans actually LIKED the ending of?

Endings should be easy, but like I said. There is the ending the reader wants, and then their is the ending the creator wants. They often clash.

It depends on how hard you're going to quibble about what you consider a 'tentpole show.'

I can only think of a few that people have complained about, and its usually something that even as an outside observer, I can see how badly the writers have mucked it up. But Battlestar Rebooted and Game of Thrones are the exception.

In my experience, the readers/viewers and the creators rarely clash. A studio or publisher might, but its largely unusual for someone to screw up so badly at the finish line. They either create flawed projects from the start (modern Trek), or something goes wrong.

The Wandavision behind the scenes thing that is up on D+ now is longer than any of the actual Wandavision episodes.

It's quite meaty as well, going into a lot of different things. I was surprised to learn that, when he was "regular" Vision (ie. not looking human) all of the prosthetics on Paul Bettany's head were CGI. I would've thought they'd have a quick thing to add on his head, but nope, just paint and dots.

Voss wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
Tell me a tentpole show in the last 5 years fans actually LIKED the ending of?

Endings should be easy, but like I said. There is the ending the reader wants, and then their is the ending the creator wants. They often clash.

It depends on how hard you're going to quibble about what you consider a 'tentpole show.'

I can only think of a few that people have complained about, and its usually something that even as an outside observer, I can see how badly the writers have mucked it up. But Battlestar Rebooted and Game of Thrones are the exception.

In my experience, the readers/viewers and the creators rarely clash. A studio or publisher might, but its largely unusual for someone to screw up so badly at the finish line. They either create flawed projects from the start (modern Trek), or something goes wrong.

I’d say Supernatural stuck the landing.

Strictly speaking, it has an Official Ending in season 5 (the end of its original arc), and a Genuine Official Ending in season 15. Both are pretty satisfying, and bring it all to a close. Both the Winchester Boys find peace in their own way, and without testing your credulity.

A huge amount of text has been written about how disliked the Supernatural ending was and definitely stands alongside Game of Thrones as an example of 'endings that irritate the audience,' - Even the groups that I'm a part of that have pretty much never mentioned Supernatural were talking about how bad the ending was.


I'd say Arrows ending was relatively uncontroversial. I'm not saying it was especially *good* but most discussions were about 'where does the Arrowverse go next?' as opposed to, 'such a bad ending' or the like. I suppose it helps that the ending was directly telegraphed in the previous season.

But yeah, Arrow just sort of ended and people moved on, I think.

Meanwhile, the (famously toxic) fanbase were SO bitter about the way Supernatural ended, they created a fanfiction fake alternate ending and managed to get it trending for quite a while.... I think it was a couple of months ago.

Eh. If I know anything about Supernatural from fanfiction, its that the two main characters are lovers. And that's just from summaries and character tags. So I'm not sure that's as significant as you think.

Yeah, of shows that ended recently I'd say Supernatural stuck the landing. It suffered more from covid not letting them do the heaven greeting the way they wanted but the idea and concept were there and importantly the characters were happy with the ending.

Sidenote Justified crushed it's ending.

I enjoyed Wandavision. I thought it was very, very well done. I'm ready for the more straight forward Falcon & Winter Soldier.

So to bring it back, i saw this interesting comment on reddit that i hope we see touched on.
Bucky would regularly go on ice, for who knows how long, and then be brought back for another mission, so to him, the Blip might have just been another case of going to sleep.
But for Sam, its not. This being gone for 5 years is alll new to him.
IDK if we will se it touched on, but i hope so.

I hope for more than touched on, to be honest.

WandaVision did a good job of 'touching on it', but didn't really follow through beyond setting up Monica's sympathies.

For F/WS, I would hope its the main thing driving the plot, dealing with the world after 5 years of people being gone and then coming back (as well as the aftereffects of people who _didn't_ come back- a true 50% snap would have resulted in about 25% of planes in the air losing both pilot and co-pilot, causing multiple crashes that killed the non-missing people. Highways similarly would've been chaos, as half the cars going 65mph suddenly don't have drivers).

But imaging dictators being gone, then coming back. Military ops going to hell, and then half the military forces just coming back years later, with no idea of what's going on. Endgame was just the start of a lot of problems, and this should be a good vehicle to start exploring the problems.

Final trailer!!!

Apparently it’s just 6 episodes long, varying between 40 and 50 minutes.

Hopefully we’ll enjoy the same sort of timing from WandaVision, where there’s relatively little, if any filler, and every episode adds to the story, without treading water. Because done right, it’s a stronger story telling option than “we love your pitch, now just spin it out to a syndication standard 19 episodes and we’re in business”.

I mean, that can work - certainly I enjoy Supernatural which went that route. But there’s a lot to be said for concise, focussed story telling too.

 Ahtman wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
Tell me a tentpole show in the last 5 years fans actually LIKED the ending of?

Endgame.

I would say Infinity War but I guess Endgame works too.

Not Endgame. Infinity War is the better choice for audience positive reaction. If endings are easy, than how come most fail? My argument is simply that endings are not easy.

Anyway, in my mind, a good ending is one that keeps the viewers talking about the show. Wandavision succeeded in that respect. Especially if it is a bridge between content like this was.



I look forward to seeing what comes of Falcon and the Winter Soldier as both actors can be really good in their roles.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Apparently it’s just 6 episodes long, varying between 40 and 50 minutes.

Most of which, we presume, will be credits, like all the other D+ shows.

Dunno, I mean, maybe? The not terribly reliable source of Wikipedia says 40-50min for this, but lists Wandavision as 29-49min.

On the recent subject of well done series finales, the final episode of the new Ducktales was Really well done.

 AduroT wrote:
On the recent subject of well done series finales, the final episode of the new Ducktales was Really well done.

What an incredible remake beginning to end. So sad its over, but I can't imagine the property ever getting this level of love an attention again.

Not long now until we can get an idea of lightning has struck twice.

If this is close in tone to the Winter Soldier film, reckon we’re in for a treat, as that’s a necessary part of the wider MCU’s success.

Sure, it’s mostly about great big super powered fights - but they built in the “real world” political aspect too, which helps to ground things.

Supernatural definitely stuck the landing for the series. I understand they wanted to do more. But they still did good with what they had and it worked well.

First episode consumed.

Rather fun I’d say. Decent action opener.

Wanda - mind controls entire town. Everyone but the occupants seems to be cool with this. Feels embarrassed. Flies off to live in the countryside and read THE BIG BOOK OF EVIL.

No offense to anyone but I'm gonna ignore the ongoing Wandavision debate and give my thoughts on EP 1 of The Falcon and The Winter Soldier.



Overall, Id say 7/10. Slow but solid start with some interesting angles opened up.

Pretty much agree.

I want to complain about the Disney app. I complained about the aspect ratio stuff back with Wandavision and the annoying way it framed the picture when it went back and forth. I figured with this I could watch it full screen just fine. Nope. The Disney app won’t let you full screen the picture. It cuts off a quarter inch frame of black around the whole picture the entire time. No option to expand to fill. So aggravating. I would take a screenshot to show what I mean, but the app actually blacks out screenshots. I didn’t even know that was possible.

Otherwise I did really enjoy the first episode of Winterfalcon.

I can't wait for when Walker suddenly fires on some children for no reason to make him into a bad guy.

I want something terrible to happen to Bucky's 'psychologist.'
You don't antagonize and go out of your way to alienate your patients more.

princeyg wrote:

Overall, Id say 7/10. Slow but solid start with some interesting angles opened up.

It has potential, but yeah. Little slow, but I like dealing with the Snap in this format far more than I would in a movie.

I dunno if I can take much more family financial planning arguments, though.

It has serious potential to go hamfisted on political messaging.
I kind of just want a supervillain they can punch in the face, and not an Evil!Cap and dudes in hockey masks mouthing a bunch of faux-hot-button 'issues.'

Voss wrote:
It has serious potential to go hamfisted on political messaging.

I don't think they're going to hit CW levels of political preaching, where the show basically grinds to a halt as the characters almost turn to face the audience to deliver that week's 'message'.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Voss wrote:
It has serious potential to go hamfisted on political messaging.

I don't think they're going to hit CW levels of political preaching, where the show basically grinds to a halt as the characters almost turn to face the audience to deliver that week's 'message'.

Well, no. I doubt they're going to manage Smallville's weekly 'Gayest Look of the Episode' either, though I might end up wrong about that. [And yes, it was almost always Clark and Lex, and pretty much the most entertaining part of that entire show]

But I expect at least one strangled speech about Freedom, Security, sacrificing one and deserving neither. Possibly from 'both sides.'


They've already made me feel uncomfortable about Sam, who had previously struck me as one of the most 'together' people in the whole Avengers MCU franchise.
But they're doing all sorts of weird pivoting on him. He was pretty gun-happy in the films, but for some reason he seemed pretty unarmed for the rescue mission. Casualties were ricochets, falling or handed over to the 'Red Drone' for direct kills. [And wow is that a crazy-good (or terrifying) AI. 'Get them off my back' is not an adequate voice command to activate a missile strike with multiple potential targets and a priority rescue in the immediate vicinity.]

It's Stark tech, the AI is probably on par with Jarvis/Friday, just without the pithy one liners.

 Azreal13 wrote:
It's Stark tech, the AI is probably on par with Jarvis/Friday, just without the pithy one liners.

I know. Its just that this show feels a bit more 'ground level' than the films (no gods, monsters, aliens, magic, etc), so the super AIs that inhabit Stark's world stick out a little more.

Plus the silly thing was doing so much of the heavy lifting that I was pondering as I watched it if it shouldn't be the Red Drone and Winter Soldier, guest-starring the Falcon.

Sam is literally just a bloke with some tech though, and not even an actual suit of armour like Dusty. Pretty much everything he does that can be classed as "super" is going to lean on the tech really quite hard.

I agree that Redwing has come to the fore seemingly quite suddenly, but then again when have we seen Sam do any heavy lifting since Civil War, where, if memory serves, he was also using Redwing quite a bit, but for recon rather than combat?

I like the feathers they’ve got on his new wings, looks slick. But yeah, Falcon is basically a worse version of Iron Man/Warmachine. Not the person, but the hero tech they use. Even the first (not counting the cave armor) Iron Man suit was better than Falcon’s newest gear.