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I think that the Power Broker gave the Flashsmashers their super powers, but they then abandoned the Power Broker, which is why they're on the run.

I also suspect that Walker (and maybe even Battlestar) will end up getting the same stuff from the Broker, giving themselves cheap knockoff super soldier powers, which in turn makes Walker evil, at which point he will randomly fire his gun (remember: guns = bad in Marvel) at children, like Director Hayward did in Wandavision.

Well, he's already alone in firing a gun at the 'bad guys'/freedom fighters, other than the definitely actual bad guys, so his status is already in question.

I guess that's the big division they keep lamp shading- 'Aliens, androids and Wizards, which made movie gun use ok. Even though... They never really fought androids that I can think of? Or wizards, really (except for Strange).

So...yeah, I guess Hydra and ex-Shield goons don't count (or random terrorists), even though they're WAY more common for Falcon and Bucky.

Androids are robots in the shape of men.

Ultron. All of him.

Wizards = ebony maw.


I suspect that walker wont be a bad guy, but he will crack under the preasure and give up the shield willingly.

Issah is interesting because its a soft intro for his grandson who inherets his super soldier abilities. Aka Patriot of the young avengers/champions.


Again, they just keep introducing all the kids to take on these roles.

Kate bishop.
Wandas kids
Patriot
Khamala khan
Hulkling can show up in secret invasion or whatever.
America chavez is in dr strange 2?

Champions are coming.

It does make sense to start introducing “next generation” characters now. Should hopefully avoid them feeling shoehorned in if we see them growing up in a world where Superhero’s are real.

 Lance845 wrote:
Androids are robots in the shape of men.

Ultron. All of him.

Wizards = ebony maw.

Ah, right... Ultron had a fight where he had a bunch of useless tin can bodies. Forgot about that. But Falcon and Bucky weren't there for that anyway.
Ebony Maw is... um? Is he the telekinetic alien that they just called Squidward the whole time? Is he supposed to be a wizard? He just seemed a standard super-powered alien hench, if a vaguely important grand vizier sort.

He was talking about spells and gak with dr strange the whole time. And summoned those ghost needles to stab him in the face.

He was for sure doing magic.

Wizards also equals Loki and Malekith.

 Lance845 wrote:
He was talking about spells and gak with dr strange the whole time. And summoned those ghost needles to stab him in the face.

He was for sure doing magic.

He was mocking Strange for being a wizard. And he had a long winded threatening rant about the 'ghost needles' being Space Surgical Tools.

If he'd been doing magic, he'd have been waving his arms about and creating shiny light patterns, rather than being largely immobile and occasionally flicking a finger.

Wizards also equals Loki and Malekith.

Aliens.
Also I'm not sure anyone on Earth ever even saw Malekith.

Also, they didn't have hats, so under the rules as described, they could never be wizards.

Remember, in the MCU, magic is just another term for manipulation of reality using dimensional forces.
Its a bit more scientifically grounded than magic from other sources

Voss wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
He was talking about spells and gak with dr strange the whole time. And summoned those ghost needles to stab him in the face.

He was for sure doing magic.

He was mocking Strange for being a wizard.

No. He mocked his ability with magic. Not that he was doing magic. It's like tony stark mocking justin hammers attempt at making an iron man suit.

And he had a long winded threatening rant about the 'ghost needles' being Space Surgical Tools.

He DID say they were created originally for micro surgery. A spell made to help perform surgery.

If he'd been doing magic, he'd have been waving his arms about and creating shiny light patterns, rather than being largely immobile and occasionally flicking a finger.

Depends on both the spell being cast and how good a wizard you are. Remember Dr. Strange does some stuff without big shiny patterns. He made no energy symbols when he made a billion of himself. He teleported all over his house with Thor without making so much as a gesture. He changed tea into beer and refilled the glass without any visible sign of doing anything.

 Lance845 wrote:
He DID say they were created originally for micro surgery. A spell made to help perform surgery.

He never said it was a spell.

Maw was a telekine. A very powerful telekine, but just a telekine.

Yeah, Ebony Maw was never established as a magic guy. Otherwise he would have recognized the protection spell put on the time stone and not necessarily have needed to kidnap Dr. Strange and torture him to break it.

https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Ebony_Maw#Powers
The Wiki says he is a Socerer.
But again, magic is kinda shown to be weird in the MCU with no strict definition of what is and isnt magic.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Ebony_Maw#Powers
The Wiki says he is a Socerer.
But again, magic is kinda shown to be weird in the MCU with no strict definition of what is and isnt magic.

I wouldn't take a fan wiki to be a legitimate source behind Ebony Maw being a sorcerer, especially since that segment isn't sourced at all in the References part at the bottom. I could just as easily edit right now to say he's Asguardian for the type of species he is and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't take that at face value.

There's nothing that you see in the movie that implies he has any background in the mystic arts. Otherwise we may as well call people like Jean Grey and other people with telekinesis wizards.

Didn't they establish back in the first Thor movie that Asgard tech was "magic" in the MCU with some sort of paraphrasing of Clarke's third law?

Aash wrote:
Didn't they establish back in the first Thor movie that Asgard tech was "magic" in the MCU with some sort of paraphrasing of Clarke's third law?

And people seem to take this to mean that all magic in the MCU is just science.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Aash wrote:
Didn't they establish back in the first Thor movie that Asgard tech was "magic" in the MCU with some sort of paraphrasing of Clarke's third law?

And people seem to take this to mean that all magic in the MCU is just science.

The point of Clarke’s third law is exactly that - all magic is technology/science.

Aash wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Aash wrote:
Didn't they establish back in the first Thor movie that Asgard tech was "magic" in the MCU with some sort of paraphrasing of Clarke's third law?

And people seem to take this to mean that all magic in the MCU is just science.

The point of Clarke’s third law is exactly that - all magic is technology/science.

The Ancient one also says as much. Call it a program if you want. See these 3 pictures of the human body? Each only seeing a part of the whole. Magic is a part of the natural world. It is science. It's also still magic.

"And people seem to take this to mean that all magic in the MCU is just science."

Exactly. While magic and science are two individual different facets of reality, Asguardians just see magic being as routine and boring as Earthlings see science, and use it accordingly in everyday applications. The only really notable spells to an Asguardians would probably be big stuff, like the enchantments on Thor's hammer, the Rainbow Bridge, etc. Hell, Asguardians are probably 99% post-scarcity through things like Strange's ever-filling beer stein, where while that's how everyday cheap beer is "made", and only the true artisans are defined by how they actually bother to spend the time making beer for real.

I've always seen technology, magic, and telekenesis in the MCU as just differing forms of reality-manipulation. Not much functional difference between WIFI and being able to speak with your mind. It all just involves specific parts generating the messages, and sending them to other parts capable of receiving those messages.

O God they are going to feth up the Brubaker run.

Not enjoying the show so far. Wandavision was a homerun in terms of storytelling, special effects and well thought out scenarios.

The fight on the trucks in ep2 was full of poorly executed CGI. Why did truck driver or passenger 2 not see Bucky get in the back of the truck right in front of it? Why was the lady from Solo sitting in the back of the truck for no apparent reason other than to be mistaken as a hostage by people who can see through the truck?

Who does Falcon work for? How does Bucky just stroll up to a base of some kind and get on a plane to Germany with no prior authorization?

I think I need to watch that again, there was a lot of exposition, but one thought:

I doubt it? That seems too large a departure. I could see it happening since they’ve been so reluctant to show them to us despite mentioning them repeatedly though.

I'm thinking maybe the Power Broker is Sin (or Viper/Madame Hydra?). Mostly because I'd basically never heard of them until they showed up in Crisis Protocol. I can't help but think maybe there was some kind of multimedia effort there...

That.... Needs a re watch tomorrow. A lot of moving parts coming into play.

Zemo was great though.

It's definitely improved over the first couple of episodes I think. - At the end of this I was thinking, 'you know, I'd rather see more 6 part things like this, than another movie.' Which, kind of surprised me. The fact that we get to spent more time with the characters is great. - I imagine the 'new' characters this episode got more screentime than they did in all of their movie appearances up to now.

Yeah, that was much better. More coherent, somehow, rather than scrambling between pieces.

Madripoor was a nice touch, with an amusing little Easter egg in the sign for the Princess Bar without going whole hog and having Wolverine lurking in the background (at least, not that I saw).

The 'advertisement' for the GRC was stupidly heavy-handed though, as was New Cap.

Not sure I like the Sympathy Point accounting for Karli though. It feels entirely too mechanical, rather than a natural character arc.

Nice cliff for the episode end, however.

Zemo is weird to me because in the movie came across as a totally different guy than what I’ve seen previous in comics and shows. He didn’t fight or anything, he just did a little behind the scenes manipulation con job, kind of a nerdy little bum. Now here it’s suddenly Wait you were rich this whole time? With the private jet and butler and his fancy fur collared coat, kicking arse in a fight and being all intimidating. Like his performance was great, it’s just a very abrupt shift in character from Winter Soldier it felt like, to one that more aligns with his comic self.

That was a much weaker episode than the first two. Breaking Zemo out was wayyyy too easy, as was getting Sharon's help. She was clearly very embittered toward Falcon and Bucky but then was like Mmmm K fine, I'll help you. They needed to offer her a way back home before she agreed to give them a hand, and even then... how the hell is Sam gonna do that? She would have wanted the details before agreeing.

This episode felt like it was trying to do way too much at once. I may have to give it another watch to make sure I caught everything.

 Jadenim wrote:
I think I need to watch that again, there was a lot of exposition, but one thought:

Spoiler:

Is Sharon the power broker?

I like that quite a bit.