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"Classic Loki"

Well that's interesting.

So yeah, watching the episode and

So do we think Mephisto is behind this?

honestly, at this point, rather then Kang, like i've heard people talk about, i figure it ends up being some sort of convoluted loki plot

I honestly don’t know what the pay off is going to be on this one.

Which is kind of appreciated, as they pulled it off well in WandaVision quite successfully.

If they follow the same rough pattern, next week will be the big And This Is What’s Really Going On, with the final episode the big scrap.

Which I’m entirely there for.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I honestly don’t know what the pay off is going to be on this one.

Which is kind of appreciated, as they pulled it off well in WandaVision quite successfully.

If they follow the same rough pattern, next week will be the big And This Is What’s Really Going On, with the final episode the big scrap.

Which I’m entirely there for.

I'm not sure they could pull 'she did nothing wrong, and really, didn't she make the real sacrifice?' over on the audience again.
So Wandavision doesn't seem like a good model.
...but watching the episode, I might well be wrong about that.


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Oh, good they glad they ticked that bingo box.


Interesting thing, when Loki is ranting at Mobius about his origin, shadows creep over his shoulders (both shoulders, simultaneously, but not his face), and there isn't really any indication of where they're from. A panel of light also scrolls over the wall when they throw Loki back in the 'time cell torture chamber,' and it isn't being cast by the time door.


After all the buildup of Hunter B-15 as a hard-boiled, tough-as-nails bruiser, she sure went down like a chump.
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So, that was an ending. Extra layers are nice, but... maybe too many for two episodes?

Definitely my fav episode so far. I hope that there will something really exciting about who really is behind all of this ''sacred timeline'' mess.

Blimey.

A whole episode of Blimey.

And then the Post credits.



Next week is gonna be WILD.

 Graphite wrote:

And then the Post credits.

Spoiler:

Richard E Grant! Comic book costume! We've come to Asgard by mistake! Stop saying that, Loki, of course he's the @+*%-ing variant

I feel like between that and Vision's halloween costume in WandaVision, they should have effectively put to bed any argument that movie costumes should be 'comics accurate'...

Has that been in question since... the 90s?

Voss wrote:
Has that been in question since... the 90s?

Sadly, yes.

Given that with pretty much every superhero movie release there's someone complaining about the costume not being 'right'... yes, apparently.

They’ve done a really good job with making some of the weirding costumes look quite good though, like Black Manta and Mysterio.

I'm pretty happy at the MCU's costumes. they manage to blend "Accuracy" with "this will work in real life" pretty well

 insaniak wrote:
Given that with pretty much every superhero movie release there's someone complaining about the costume not being 'right'... yes, apparently.

Eh. I tend to discount the complaints of the 'someones.' If I had to spend time listening to them, I'd never get anything done. Especially on super hero movies. The litany of trivial complaints never ends.

For people who aren't disturbingly invested in the fandom equivalent of 'button trivia,*' I don't think its a real question.


*too many years dealing with civil war re-enactors masquerading as self-appointed historians. The pure level of obsession with the right number and 'type' of buttons is seriously disturbing.
On the plus side, the people obsessed with buttons and costumes are generally too self-absorbed to do any real damage.

I have a theory:

I also have another theory:

I’m wondering….

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m wondering….

Spoiler:

If Renslayer is the person behind the TVA.

She seemed to know the Timekeepers were just automata, certainly she didn’t seem surprised.

And what is the true purpose of the Divine Timeline? You don’t go to all that effort for nothing.

Then there’s the question of what Sylvie’s actual time crime was…. It could’ve been preemptive, and we’re in Set Fate territory, with the abduction an attempt to prevent her variant doing what we’ve seen to date. Or, it could’ve been an invented charge in an attempt to recruit a potent agent. Certainly all we saw was Judith Grimes playing with her toys before she was Timenapped.

And what was with that divergence when Loki and Sylvie looked resigned to their fate?

So many questions!

That’s a pretty decent point.

There’s a lot of possibilities. We can only hope they stick the landing.

Ah! Judith Grimes! I knew I recognised her from somewhere, thank you!

Incidentally, I watched Loki ep 4 and then the last 2 episodes of WandaVision - OK, about what I expected for WV, except the Agnes angle, that was super unexpected for me...

And, as an aside, I am a big Kathryn Hahn fan, so glad she got a super juicy part to play in the last two episodes.

Well...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Spoiler:

Then there’s the question of what Sylvie’s actual time crime was…. It could’ve been preemptive, and we’re in Set Fate territory, with the abduction an attempt to prevent her variant doing what we’ve seen to date. Or, it could’ve been an invented charge in an attempt to recruit a potent agent. Certainly all we saw was Judith Grimes playing with her toys before she was Timenapped.

And what was with that divergence when Loki and Sylvie looked resigned to their fate?

Maybe. We're fed the narcissism line pretty quickly, but there's nothing to say that's actually true.

They might have been something else going on...
(Personal theory- one of the 'debris pieces' looked a bit different to me. More like a ship maneuvering than a chunk of rock falling)

Even without that, the divergence could well be something else. But I am disappointed that episode 3 ultimately was as empty and pointless as it seemed to be. They could have had the five minutes of relevant material here, and done something else with a whole episode.

A few thoughts:

Voss wrote:
Maybe. We're fed the narcissism line pretty quickly, but there's nothing to say that's actually true.

They might have been something else going on...
(Personal theory- one of the 'debris pieces' looked a bit different to me. More like a ship maneuvering than a chunk of rock falling)

Even without that, the divergence could well be something else. But I am disappointed that episode 3 ultimately was as empty and pointless as it seemed to be. They could have had the five minutes of relevant material here, and done something else with a whole episode.

Yeah, episode 3 definitely didn't set up a possible romance between the two Lokis that could be absolutely crucial to the end of the show. I mean, it definitely didn't play a major role in episode 4. At all. Not once was it even brought up.

Lets just say episode 3 was empty and pointless!

Slight tangent for the thread, but Black Widow goes up on Disney+ extra pay content next Friday.

Given I’ll be dragging my sorry carcass up to Orkney for a family holiday, I think I’ll bite this time.

I’ve enough folk sharing my account that even thought I won’t ask/require them to chip in, it should prove pretty decent value.

Though they’re free to buy me a pint some time!