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 Dreadwinter wrote:

Voss wrote:
Maybe. We're fed the narcissism line pretty quickly, but there's nothing to say that's actually true.

They might have been something else going on...
(Personal theory- one of the 'debris pieces' looked a bit different to me. More like a ship maneuvering than a chunk of rock falling)

Even without that, the divergence could well be something else. But I am disappointed that episode 3 ultimately was as empty and pointless as it seemed to be. They could have had the five minutes of relevant material here, and done something else with a whole episode.

Yeah, episode 3 definitely didn't set up a possible romance between the two Lokis that could be absolutely crucial to the end of the show. I mean, it definitely didn't play a major role in episode 4. At all. Not once was it even brought up.

Lets just say episode 3 was empty and pointless!

Or say.... the events of that world are so important to the sacred timeline that returning there and changing them in some way creates a divergence too large for the TVA to control or something of that nature.

Watching ep 4 again.

Do you think the fantasy scenario Judith Grimes is describing might be tied to her Variance?

 LunarSol wrote:

 Dreadwinter wrote:

Voss wrote:
Maybe. We're fed the narcissism line pretty quickly, but there's nothing to say that's actually true.

They might have been something else going on...
(Personal theory- one of the 'debris pieces' looked a bit different to me. More like a ship maneuvering than a chunk of rock falling)

Even without that, the divergence could well be something else. But I am disappointed that episode 3 ultimately was as empty and pointless as it seemed to be. They could have had the five minutes of relevant material here, and done something else with a whole episode.

Yeah, episode 3 definitely didn't set up a possible romance between the two Lokis that could be absolutely crucial to the end of the show. I mean, it definitely didn't play a major role in episode 4. At all. Not once was it even brought up.

Lets just say episode 3 was empty and pointless!

Or say.... the events of that world are so important to the sacred timeline that returning there and changing them in some way creates a divergence too large for the TVA to control or something of that nature.

I don't understand. Pointless episode.

 Dreadwinter wrote:

Voss wrote:
Maybe. We're fed the narcissism line pretty quickly, but there's nothing to say that's actually true.

They might have been something else going on...
(Personal theory- one of the 'debris pieces' looked a bit different to me. More like a ship maneuvering than a chunk of rock falling)

Even without that, the divergence could well be something else. But I am disappointed that episode 3 ultimately was as empty and pointless as it seemed to be. They could have had the five minutes of relevant material here, and done something else with a whole episode.

Yeah, episode 3 definitely didn't set up a possible romance between the two Lokis that could be absolutely crucial to the end of the show. I mean, it definitely didn't play a major role in episode 4. At all. Not once was it even brought up.

Lets just say episode 3 was empty and pointless!

Sounds good to me. If screwing up someone's plans, a walk through falling meteors and a brief train conversation about the absolute basics of your history is what passes for 'romance' these days, I don't know what to say.

Sounds exactly like something Loki would be in to honestly.

I picture Loki with more depth, personally.

And lets face it, they aren't going to walk out into the next phase of MCU shenanigans with a stable Loki and a healthy romance. They like their cliched tropes- if she walks out of this alive, its going to be because of a sudden yet inevitable betrayal.

Loki DOES have depth. But he is also prideful, shallow, and self centered. Anything that strokes his own ego he drifts towards like a moth to the flame. Just look at that play he had written about himself so he could lounge about pretending to be his dad eating grapes and watching Matt Damon.

Making a connection with himself is just about all he could ever hope for consciously or sub consciously.

That being said, I don't think shes really a Loki. I think her origin is going to be closer to the comics. Shes going to have been created by a Loki. She's a weapon pointed at the TVA by a different Loki playing a bigger game. Probably the one that caused the massive branch and "saved" them.

 Lance845 wrote:
Loki DOES have depth.

I was referring to the idea that he 'falls in love' based on a frantic jog across a doomed planet and a five minute conversation on a train.
I know that's an action film trope, but its still really dumb.

Yeah, but the TVA doesn't just work on the past, it work on the future as well. Could be that that was the moment they started falling for each other, and while it would take a lot longer for them to fall for each other properly, since that was the start it was the point of variance.

Voss wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Loki DOES have depth.

I was referring to the idea that he 'falls in love' based on a frantic jog across a doomed planet and a five minute conversation on a train.
I know that's an action film trope, but its still really dumb.

I don't think we saw every single interaction they had the entire time they were on the planet. Just the important ones they thought they could fit in to the show without going over too much.

Or I am wrong and we are just supposed to assume these characters only exist when the camera is rolling. Even though that seems to go against everything Marvel has been doing with the backtracking and timey whimey stuff.

If they had super-important personal interactions off camera, then the show is doing storytelling (and relationship building) completely wrong.

Definitely doing it wrong. Not creating scenes for future use or anything like they have been known to do. Memories or such to look back upon. Flashbacks.

Never.

 Graphite wrote:
Yeah, but the TVA doesn't just work on the past, it work on the future as well. Could be that that was the moment they started falling for each other, and while it would take a lot longer for them to fall for each other properly, since that was the start it was the point of variance.

It got 3/4s of the way to the 'red line' just by the two of them sitting silent for a few seconds under a chunk of falling moon the size of Chicago. The TVA was boggled by whatever could be happening 'so fast.' Had it gone on any longer, things would have just broken. Somehow.


Edit: Oh. That's all it is. They were going to die and one or both are integral to the 'sacred timeline.' They weren't supposed to be there, had failed, given up and were moments away from 'rocks fall, everyone dies' and that would have wrecked everything.

Voss wrote:

 Graphite wrote:
Yeah, but the TVA doesn't just work on the past, it work on the future as well. Could be that that was the moment they started falling for each other, and while it would take a lot longer for them to fall for each other properly, since that was the start it was the point of variance.

It got 3/4s of the way to the 'red line' just by the two of them sitting silent for a few seconds under a chunk of falling moon the size of Chicago. The TVA was boggled by whatever could be happening 'so fast.' Had it gone on any longer, things would have just broken. Somehow.


Edit: Oh. That's all it is. They were going to die and one or both are integral to the 'sacred timeline.' They weren't supposed to be there, had failed, given up and were moments away from 'rocks fall, everyone dies' and that would have wrecked everything.

That's probably why all the other variants of Loki still live (especially if pruners have a teleport Lokis to the Loki holding tank)- it seems the TVA has a strict no-killing Loki policy at the highest levels. If true, it is definitely more evidence of the Loki's behind it all theory.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Slight tangent for the thread, but Black Widow goes up on Disney+ extra pay content next Friday.

I wasn't going to (AUD$35 come on... the Blu-Ray won't cost that much!), but then my state went into another COVID lockdown that runs right past the movie's release date.

If the lockdown continues, I won't really have much of a choice.

Voss wrote:

 Graphite wrote:
Yeah, but the TVA doesn't just work on the past, it work on the future as well. Could be that that was the moment they started falling for each other, and while it would take a lot longer for them to fall for each other properly, since that was the start it was the point of variance.

It got 3/4s of the way to the 'red line' just by the two of them sitting silent for a few seconds under a chunk of falling moon the size of Chicago. The TVA was boggled by whatever could be happening 'so fast.' Had it gone on any longer, things would have just broken. Somehow.


Edit: Oh. That's all it is. They were going to die and one or both are integral to the 'sacred timeline.' They weren't supposed to be there, had failed, given up and were moments away from 'rocks fall, everyone dies' and that would have wrecked everything.

Ah, I think you got it Voss. That certainly makes sense to me anyway.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Slight tangent for the thread, but Black Widow goes up on Disney+ extra pay content next Friday.

There is no way in God's green Earth that I'll ever pay what Disney wants me to for "premier access" ON TOP of having a subscription with them.

So I'll either wait or find other ways, if for some reason I'm just in such a damn hurry.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Slight tangent for the thread, but Black Widow goes up on Disney+ extra pay content next Friday.

There is no way in God's green Earth that I'll ever pay what Disney wants me to for "premier access" ON TOP of having a subscription with them.

So I'll either wait or find other ways, if for some reason I'm just in such a damn hurry.

premier's not a bad way to do it if you have the following conditions.

1: Have a good eneugh TV set up that you won't feel too put out by missing it on the big screen

2: have a number of people who all want to see the movie (if a movie ticket is 15 bucks a person, and the premier access is 30 bucks, 3 people wanting to see it gives you a decent eneugh deal)

if those conditions are met it's not a bad deal.

Also do I understand right and you get access to the movie perminatly unlocked?

I don't actually care. I won't give them money for the privilege of giving them more money later on.

And no, premier access is "you get to see the thing earlier". It gets released into the regular D+ stream like... two, three months later?

For example, Raya and the Last Dragon (Disney's "we're totally not doing an AtlA movie, honest" movie) got out of Premier a couple weeks ago.

BrianDavion wrote:

Also do I understand right and you get access to the movie perminatly unlocked?

Yeah. It's not 30.00 to watch it once. It's 30.00 to have anyone on your account watch it as many times as they want.

 Albertorius wrote:
For example, Raya and the Last Dragon (Disney's "we're totally not doing an AtlA movie, honest" movie) got out of Premier a couple weeks ago.

...AtlA?

 Dysartes wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
For example, Raya and the Last Dragon (Disney's "we're totally not doing an AtlA movie, honest" movie) got out of Premier a couple weeks ago.

...AtlA?

Avatar: the last Airbender

 Albertorius wrote:
I don't actually care. I won't give them money for the privilege of giving them more money later on.

And no, premier access is "you get to see the thing earlier". It gets released into the regular D+ stream like... two, three months later?

For example, Raya and the Last Dragon (Disney's "we're totally not doing an AtlA movie, honest" movie) got out of Premier a couple weeks ago.

3 months. Black Widow will be properly out to normal subs on October 6.
Premier is basically a fine for the impatient.

It’s a fee to watch the movie without being spoiled first. Otherwise while I do have a D+ sub because I like how they’re doing their series and want to support that, I’ll be going to my usual places to watch the premium movies because I ain’t paying that extra to watch a movie alone.

I do kinda wonder that the entire creation of the Loki/Sylvie Nexus event is that "Loki must not die", although that kinda plays hell with the fact that in the main movie timeline, he very obviously does.

So it makes me think that Nexus events are truly just another false control mechanism to enable the scheme of whomever is actually running the TVA, rather than something "real" that need to be stopped.

This is the equivalent of saying "I already pay for cable. Why would I go to the movies when the movie is just going to show up on Showtime eventually anyway?"

You pay for cable (disney +) and the movie will end up on cable eventually. In the meantime you now have 2 options on the movies release. Go to the theater for 15 a ticket per watch of pay 30 to have you and everyone you know watch it as many times as you want at home.

Do what you want.

 Lance845 wrote:
This is the equivalent of saying "I already pay for cable. Why would I go to the movies when the movie is just going to show up on Showtime eventually anyway?"

I generally do that. Well, wait until films pass out of movie theaters, as I haven't had a pleasant movie theater experience in decades.

You pay for cable (disney +) and the movie will end up on cable eventually. In the meantime you now have 2 options on the movies release. Go to the theater for 15 a ticket per watch of pay 30 to have you and everyone you know watch it as many times as you want at home.

?? That's about double the ticket price of movies around here, and I usually watch films (that I actually want to see) alone, and I never watch them multiple times in a 3 month period. The math here makes no sense.

 Lance845 wrote:
This is the equivalent of saying "I already pay for cable. Why would I go to the movies when the movie is just going to show up on Showtime eventually anyway?"

You pay for cable (disney +) and the movie will end up on cable eventually. In the meantime you now have 2 options on the movies release. Go to the theater for 15 a ticket per watch of pay 30 to have you and everyone you know watch it as many times as you want at home.

Do what you want.

Sure, exactly the same. I will, indeed, do what I want.

As said, I’m mostly going for it to give me something to watch on an otherwise long and boring train journey.

I’ll have watched Loki by then, and Bad Batch is only what, half an hour?

Voss wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
This is the equivalent of saying "I already pay for cable. Why would I go to the movies when the movie is just going to show up on Showtime eventually anyway?"

I generally do that. Well, wait until films pass out of movie theaters, as I haven't had a pleasant movie theater experience in decades.

You pay for cable (disney +) and the movie will end up on cable eventually. In the meantime you now have 2 options on the movies release. Go to the theater for 15 a ticket per watch of pay 30 to have you and everyone you know watch it as many times as you want at home.

?? That's about double the ticket price of movies around here, and I usually watch films (that I actually want to see) alone, and I never watch them multiple times in a 3 month period. The math here makes no sense.

And thats cool for your experience with movies. I, as a contrasting perspective, signed up for movie pass back when it existed because I go to the movies all the time with people and have seen movies in theaters multiple times.

Like.. Endgame? I saw that at least 3 times in theaters with different people. For me and all those friends to pay a total cost of 30.00 is a solid deal.

Not everything is made for all people. It's a nice option for those that get benefit from it.