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I’m going to predict end credits with Doctor Strange/Scarlet Witch/Loki showing up, quipping about the cute alternate timeline she’s in, and then bringing her back to the main one to replace the dead version for reasons.

I don't know but I imagine it has something to do with Mephisto.

 Ahtman wrote:
I don't know but I imagine it has something to do with Mephisto.

Mm. True.

Maybe I'm out of the loop, but is there any basis for all these 'Mephisto' predictions going around?

I was wondering the same thing.

I think they started as a suspicion about WandaVision?

When Wandavision was airing there was a immense amount of speculation and it was almost always came down to Mephisto. You can go back in this very thread and find posts saying Mephisto did it and/or that Mephisto was being introduced. it wasn't just here it was all over the place to the point where it has become a bit of a joke.

I will probably go to my local, family owned, two-screen movie house to see Black Widow.

They had a tough year during COVID, so I have no problem giving this family my money.

 Ahtman wrote:
When Wandavision was airing there was a immense amount of speculation and it was almost always came down to Mephisto. You can go back in this very thread and find posts saying Mephisto did it and/or that Mephisto was being introduced. it wasn't just here it was all over the place to the point where it has become a bit of a joke.

I remember. It seemed to just come out of nowhere and I wondered if there was some inspiration for the theory, or whether somebody just went "Hey! Maybe it's Mephisto!".

It's because in the comics, they retconned Wanda's ability to rewrite all of existence in House of M to be a result of Mephisto boosting her powers when she was unstable to cause the event for raisins. Therefore he must be behind it here as well.


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MarkNorfolk wrote:
I'm wondering if they filmed some new scenes in secret to bring it up-to-date with the current state of the MCU - even if it's just a revamped after credits scene.

The original After the Credits was supposed to be the reveal of Julia Louis-​Dreyfus's character. I suspect we'll still see what they shot for that, but Shang-Chi is next, so it's possible they have something to tease for that.

MarkNorfolk wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
When Wandavision was airing there was a immense amount of speculation and it was almost always came down to Mephisto. You can go back in this very thread and find posts saying Mephisto did it and/or that Mephisto was being introduced. it wasn't just here it was all over the place to the point where it has become a bit of a joke.

I remember. It seemed to just come out of nowhere and I wondered if there was some inspiration for the theory, or whether somebody just went "Hey! Maybe it's Mephisto!".

Mephisto is sometimes linked to the Darkhold (the spell book in Wandavision) and the souls of Wanda kids were plants by Mephisto to stir up some shenanigans in the comics because comics are complicated and dumb. The rabbits name being Mr Scratch being a name for the devil didn't help.

Ultimately though, there was no real link to Mephisto (except maybe the Darkhold for down the line). Then, as other have said, it just became a running gag. Where did the super soldier serum come from? Mephisto! Whos behind the scared time line? Mephisto! Whats going on with the BW movie isn't she dead? Mephisto is pretending to be Natasha!

Apparently Mr Scratch originally Was a demon in disguise that was guarding her basement, but that bit got dropped.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wonder what BW’s credit scenes might be?


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Obviously don’t tell us!

Don't tell us what they are, but feel free to confirm a, how many there are; and b, where they fall in the credits (start, mid-point, end)...

Looks like we're getting lockdown for another week. So I know what I'll be doing this weekend.

Getting that 75" TV two Christmases ago keeps paying off.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wonder what BW’s credit scenes might be?


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Obviously don’t tell us!

Don't tell us what they are, but feel free to confirm a, how many there are; and b, where they fall in the credits (start, mid-point, end)...

I am curious if they'll pull comics shenanigans here, specifically in the post-credits.

Way way back in the mists of various runs at the Infinity Stones, the Soul Stone ate various people but it turned out they were actually inside it in a pocket dimension (and naturally got freed eventually because Comics Characters Never Die). So there's completely a chance that Widow, Gamora and various Unknowns will get crapped out Somewhere after Thanos destroyed the Stones and something something Natasha wakes up in mysterious place.

Whether movie audiences will accept that level of comic book nonsense is another story, but... at this point they've got several ways to return characters if they feel like it.

Seems unlikely, given that we have the Black Widow movie setting up Yelena to take over that role, and Gamora has already been 'returned' through time travel shenanigans.


On a personal note, it would also be a huge disappointment for the MCU to follow the Arrowverse's path, where nobody's death matters anymore because you know that they're coming back sooner or later (and usually sooner).

At best that would put Gamora back in the universe where there is already a time displaced Gamora.

The Soul Stone that ate Widow was returned to a past that no longer has a Thanos.

 insaniak wrote:
On a personal note, it would also be a huge disappointment for the MCU to follow the Arrowverse's path, where nobody's death matters anymore because you know that they're coming back sooner or later (and usually sooner).

Have you watched any MCU movies? People not dying is pretty much their thing.

Characters not dying is fine. But each time a character comes back from the dead it cheapens the impact of any future character deaths. It eventually turns it from 'Ah! No! They killed [X]!' into 'Meh, wonder how they'll bring this one back?'

And for the record, yes, this has been one of my longstanding issues with the comics (of both camps) as well. Nobody is ever actually dead, unless it suits the plot... and even then it's liable to be reversed sooner or later. I'd much rather see characters replaced rather than resurrected.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
On a personal note, it would also be a huge disappointment for the MCU to follow the Arrowverse's path, where nobody's death matters anymore because you know that they're coming back sooner or later (and usually sooner).

Have you watched any MCU movies? People not dying is pretty much their thing.

I know the directors of infanity war/endgame said they want the deaths perminant so that there is a sense of real concequence. but obviously if the right parties develop an awesome idea for what to do with a dead char, they'll find a way to ressurect them

BrianDavion wrote:
I know the directors of infanity war/endgame said they want the deaths perminant so that there is a sense of real concequence. but obviously if the right parties develop an awesome idea for what to do with a dead char, they'll find a way to ressurect them

And even within those films most of the people who die come back. Even Thanos dies and comes back. Even one of the people taken by the Soul Stone comes back.

I think the biggest thing is that those who come back, are not essentially the same
Gamora is back, but this is not the Gamora that went through all that trials the one we know did.
Thanos came back, but the Thanos we saw in endgame was not the same, they where even different in manerisims and methods(Infinity War thanos got alot more mellow and meloncholy as he movie went on)
Same with Loki, This one didnt experiance his Mom dying or the destruction of his home.
Same with Vision. The whol Ship of theses was about that. Is he the same person if he has the memories but did not experiance them.
This ignores those who where blipped, but that was never not going to be undone.

And jesus this latest episode of Loki.. FANTASTIC... gonna be a long week waiting for the finalle.

Episode 5

FLIBBLE!!!


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And no post credits this week.

BrianDavion wrote:
And jesus this latest episode of Loki.. FANTASTIC... gonna be a long week waiting for the finalle.

Agreed, I’m really enjoying this series (and all of the D+ stuff Marvel have done). They could have just churned out some boring, generic, episode of the week, action-adventure stuff and they really haven’t.

I need someone with more time and comic book knowledge to freeze frame every scene in the void, because I have a feeling there’s a ton of Easter eggs and references in the background.


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Also:

Definitely loads of Easter Eggs.

My favourite?

The one I caught was the Thanos Copter. The one I’m not sure about was the little thing/creature jumping underground as the camera panned. I couldn’t make out what it was.

I thought it was Baby Groot. Very unlikely to be though.


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Oh, and the Simpsons tie in special?

Not worth your time. Trust me.

Lets place bets on the man behind the curtain!

1) Kang

2) Another Loki

3) Mephisto

4) Other