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LunarSol wrote: Another Loki only really works if its THIS Loki or THIS Sylvie or otherwise another Loki we've already met. If its just some random other Loki its effectively the same as any other new character at this point. The "but you're me" shock factor is kind of lost after you exchange it with a reptile.
The alligator was at least a little funny. The interchangeable herd of treacherous but talentless minions is what really killed that.
I'm still really convinced she's just going to end up dead, as part of a generic 'growth' story for Loki.
It feels foreshadowed by Mobius' psychological tactics in the first four episodes (particularly when he brings in Frigga and Sif), even if it strikes me as hackneyed and a disturbing vehicle for negative character growth rather than something that would drive him to better things.
I think you have that backwards. The various TV shows seem to be ultimately serving as a launching pad for the next round of characters. While they've used existing characters for that, and given those characters significant growth along the way, the ultimate goal is to introduce these new characters. In keeping with that, 'Loki' isn't really about Loki, it's Sylvie's origin story.
So if anything, I'm expecting Loki to sacrifice himself in the final episode to complete his new and improved redemption arc, and for Sylvie to step into the light ready for the next Avengers movie.
I think you have that backwards. The various TV shows seem to be ultimately serving as a launching pad for the next round of characters. While they've used existing characters for that, and given those characters significant growth along the way, the ultimate goal is to introduce these new characters.
Most of the new characters so far have died, suffered a fate worse than death, or never really existed, with the exception of Captain Fascism. The shows so far have been about putting new outfits on existing characters.
I don't think Disney will court the backlash from dead Hiddleston. They only got away with it the first couple times because they made it clear he wasn't dead for real reals.
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WandaVision introduced Photon and I-Can't-Believe-It's-Not-Vision. Bucky & The Birdman was ultimately about Captain America, rather than either of those two characters. So I fully expect that Loki has a similar goal, with Sylvie (and Kid Loki, who is apparently joining the Young Avengers).
Loki can always come back one way or another. It's what he does. But like the rest of the original Avengers cast, he's been doing this for more than 10 years now. He's going to hang up his horns sooner or later. And given that Hiddleston has said that he's not appearing in the next Thor movie, it seems reasonably likely that this series is when he does it.
insaniak wrote: WandaVision introduced Photon and I-Can't-Believe-It's-Not-Vision.
Who's just Vision with a white coat of paint (they reconstructed the same hardware shell, and the plot allowed him to reinstall his software), and 'Photon' was introduced in Captain Marvel- the exact backstory for powers is just filler.
Bucky & The Birdman was ultimately about Captain America, rather than either of those two characters.
I... don't agree with that at all. Unless you mean Falcon AS Captain America, otherwise most of the messaging of that series might as well be flushed.
So I fully expect that Loki has a similar goal, with Sylvie (and Kid Loki, who is apparently joining the Young Avengers).
I think the goal is legitimately the costume changes and the world-building that has to take place outside the films because there just isn't enough time or complexity for these kind of stories inside them. Its a great format for interconnective tissue that films can't handle.
Loki can always come back one way or another. It's what he does. But like the rest of the original Avengers cast, he's been doing this for more than 10 years now. He's going to hang up his horns sooner or later. And given that Hiddleston has said that he's not appearing in the next Thor movie, it seems reasonably likely that this series is when he does it.
Definitely don't agree here. That's isn't how Hollywood works. When he hangs up the horns, its going to be plastered all over the scream-sheets and blogs. We'll have to actively try to not hear about it. Skipping out on an already packed ensemble film isn't much of a sign of anything, especially since they're already talking about a season 2 of this show (unlike Wanda or F&WS, though that may turn out to be a maybe)
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This is all about setting up Alligator Loki as a mainstay of the MCU and getting his own movie. It is what I want. It is what you want. It is what everyone wants.
ALLIGATOR LOKI FOREVER
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
I think you have that backwards. The various TV shows seem to be ultimately serving as a launching pad for the next round of characters. While they've used existing characters for that, and given those characters significant growth along the way, the ultimate goal is to introduce these new characters.
Most of the new characters so far have died, suffered a fate worse than death, or never really existed, with the exception of Captain Fascism. The shows so far have been about putting new outfits on existing characters.
I don't think Disney will court the backlash from dead Hiddleston. They only got away with it the first couple times because they made it clear he wasn't dead for real reals.
Loki - Sylvie (Young Avengers Enchantress), Mobius, Throg (Yup that was Throg in the jar).
The key bit here is every single series so far has introduced a Young Avenger/Champion if not multiple. And currently announced series already have more of them in the cast, Kate Bishop being at the top of that list but also including Iron Heart, or is a good place to introduce them, Hulkling in Secret Invasion.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
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Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
I think you have that backwards. The various TV shows seem to be ultimately serving as a launching pad for the next round of characters. While they've used existing characters for that, and given those characters significant growth along the way, the ultimate goal is to introduce these new characters.
Most of the new characters so far have died, suffered a fate worse than death, or never really existed, with the exception of Captain Fascism. The shows so far have been about putting new outfits on existing characters.
I don't think Disney will court the backlash from dead Hiddleston. They only got away with it the first couple times because they made it clear he wasn't dead for real reals.
Loki - Sylvie (Young Avengers Enchantress), Mobius, Throg (Yup that was Throg in the jar).
The key bit here is every single series so far has introduced a Young Avenger/Champion if not multiple. And currently announced series already have more of them in the cast, Kate Bishop being at the top of that list but also including Iron Heart, or is a good place to introduce them, Hulkling in Secret Invasion.
yeah I think given what we've seen so far it's almost garented that we're going to get a "young avengers" (or champions if they wanna disconnect from that name) they've also with some of the stuff potentially been laying groundwork for the thunderbolts.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
I doubt Champions, unless they almost completely redo the team lineup. I think we’re getting a Ms Marvel intro soon? Otherwise none of the other characters exist in the MCU yet. I would consider a more generic Young Avengers far more likely.
AduroT wrote: I doubt Champions, unless they almost completely redo the team lineup. I think we’re getting a Ms Marvel intro soon? Otherwise none of the other characters exist in the MCU yet. I would consider a more generic Young Avengers far more likely.
well reason why I suggested we could see the name Champions used (iron heart is coming and Peter Parker is a teenager in this universe so he could fill the Miles role) is because it's less age dependant then "young avengers" I mean even if you assume 20-30 somethings will be playing the "teenage" roles, leaving out the "young" aspect allows the team to last a bit longer. but yeah other then that it seems more a classic young avegers I agree.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
I could see them doing a Young Avengers movie, with the new team forming up, but ultimately dropping the Young and just being a new Avengers team. Actually, we’re going to have most of the lineup for All New All Different Avengers, going with that younger Parker filling Miles’ role thing. Ironheart would have to take Tony’s spot. Have they announced any plans for a Nova yet?
I doubt they will have Peter fill the role, they will likely just introduce Miles to the Universe in some way. I would like to see some of the better versions of Spiderman. Peter is boring.
I think you have that backwards. The various TV shows seem to be ultimately serving as a launching pad for the next round of characters. While they've used existing characters for that, and given those characters significant growth along the way, the ultimate goal is to introduce these new characters.
Most of the new characters so far have died, suffered a fate worse than death, or never really existed, with the exception of Captain Fascism. The shows so far have been about putting new outfits on existing characters.
I don't think Disney will court the backlash from dead Hiddleston. They only got away with it the first couple times because they made it clear he wasn't dead for real reals.
I think you have that backwards. The various TV shows seem to be ultimately serving as a launching pad for the next round of characters. While they've used existing characters for that, and given those characters significant growth along the way, the ultimate goal is to introduce these new characters.
Most of the new characters so far have died, suffered a fate worse than death, or never really existed, with the exception of Captain Fascism. The shows so far have been about putting new outfits on existing characters.
I don't think Disney will court the backlash from dead Hiddleston. They only got away with it the first couple times because they made it clear he wasn't dead for real reals.
Captain Fascism?
Too subtle? Literally publicly beating a refugee to death with a symbol of liberty in the wrong hands seemed pretty straightforward. Being recruited by Hydra at the end was just a garnish.
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I think you have that backwards. The various TV shows seem to be ultimately serving as a launching pad for the next round of characters. While they've used existing characters for that, and given those characters significant growth along the way, the ultimate goal is to introduce these new characters.
Most of the new characters so far have died, suffered a fate worse than death, or never really existed, with the exception of Captain Fascism. The shows so far have been about putting new outfits on existing characters.
I don't think Disney will court the backlash from dead Hiddleston. They only got away with it the first couple times because they made it clear he wasn't dead for real reals.
Captain Fascism?
Too subtle? Literally publicly beating a refugee to death with a symbol of liberty in the wrong hands seemed pretty straightforward. Being recruited by Hydra at the end was just a garnish.
No, too incorrect word usage. Unless, of course, fascism got a drastic definition change while I wasn't looking.
I think you have that backwards. The various TV shows seem to be ultimately serving as a launching pad for the next round of characters. While they've used existing characters for that, and given those characters significant growth along the way, the ultimate goal is to introduce these new characters.
Most of the new characters so far have died, suffered a fate worse than death, or never really existed, with the exception of Captain Fascism. The shows so far have been about putting new outfits on existing characters.
I don't think Disney will court the backlash from dead Hiddleston. They only got away with it the first couple times because they made it clear he wasn't dead for real reals.
Captain Fascism?
Too subtle? Literally publicly beating a refugee to death with a symbol of liberty in the wrong hands seemed pretty straightforward. Being recruited by Hydra at the end was just a garnish.
No, too incorrect word usage. Unless, of course, fascism got a drastic definition change while I wasn't looking.
He's literally the embodiment of the unchecked power and authority of the state applying jackboots directly to the face of the oppressed. That may not be the 'technical' definition of fascism, but I think everybody else in the world got it.
Walker had nothing to do with 'fascism'. I don't know how someone could interpret it as such.
Voss wrote: I doubt they'll branch into multiple Spider-folk until they come up with a permanent solution to the rights issues.
This is correct. Nothing Marvel Studios will do will hinge on anything they don't own.
I've seen people say that the next leader of the Avengers will obviously be Spider-Man. I've seen people say that clearly Avengers Tower was sold to OsCorp! These people forget that Marvel does not own these things, and therefore would be foolish to make long term plans based on something they could lose access to tomorrow.
