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Blade was in the post credits of Eternals already.

We had a mummy in moon knight. Werewolf by night is going to be a holloween special. And Blade will introduce vampires. All the classic monsters in the mcu hahaha

Yeah, but I think the real question is, how does this fit with Sony's plans and where do we slot in more Morbius! When is it Morbin' time? /S

Trick question, its never not Morbin time.

So much Mobin.... so little time...

Phase 6 has a lot of blank space because most of it hasn't been solidified yet. I think its safe to assume that there will continue to be D+ shows in 2025.

They just really needed to announce Secret Wars. We all knew that's where they've been going, but without the signpost it was hard to tell how much of it actually mattered or if it was something we needed to care about for 2030.

Personally, I hope Kang is one and done like Ultron. Kang is just.... not that great. I have little doubt this movie will be the best story he's been in, but I'm happy for it to be an apocalyptic storyline that lets Doom take center stage for the finale.

 LunarSol wrote:
Phase 6 has a lot of blank space because most of it hasn't been solidified yet.

Or they're saving a few previews for their own D23 Expo in a few months...

 Lance845 wrote:
Blade was in the post credits of Eternals already.

We had a mummy in moon knight. Werewolf by night is going to be a holloween special. And Blade will introduce vampires. All the classic monsters in the mcu hahaha

I had no idea... Hmm, tough act to follow, the first Blade film whilst silly in places had some great set pieces and overall feel.

Well, Blade’s voice is anyway.

The_Real_Chris wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Blade was in the post credits of Eternals already.

We had a mummy in moon knight. Werewolf by night is going to be a holloween special. And Blade will introduce vampires. All the classic monsters in the mcu hahaha

I had no idea... Hmm, tough act to follow, the first Blade film whilst silly in places had some great set pieces and overall feel.

Well, Mahershala Ali could act Snipes off the screen while in a coma, so that bodes extremely well.

(And yes, I did need to Google how to spell his name!)

and I'll wager he deals with the IRS in a timely fashion too

Be interesting to see how Daredevil goes, I suspect it wont be full Netflix levels of fisticuffs but then again Moon Knight was messy in parts, and if course Matt best bring Foggy and Karen with him

 Azreal13 wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Blade was in the post credits of Eternals already.

We had a mummy in moon knight. Werewolf by night is going to be a holloween special. And Blade will introduce vampires. All the classic monsters in the mcu hahaha

I had no idea... Hmm, tough act to follow, the first Blade film whilst silly in places had some great set pieces and overall feel.

Well, Mahershala Ali could act Snipes off the screen while in a coma, so that bodes extremely well.

(And yes, I did need to Google how to spell his name!)

I feel Snipes was an asset for that reason. Couldn't rely on the acting so set piece's go

Snipes can act just fine when he wants/needs to. You should check him out in Eddie Murphy's recent-ish Ruddy Ray Moore biopic film.

The name is escaping me at the moment.

Now I want someone to shop the Phase 6 picture so that all the blanks are just more sequels to Morbius.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Now I want someone to shop the Phase 6 picture so that all the blanks are just more sequels to Morbius.

Now that's a Phase I can get behind!

Morbiverse of Morbin, here we come!

No! Wait! Phase 6 is too early for all that.

Phases 7, 8 and 9 will collectively be known as The Morbius Saga, will culminate in another Avengers double-header:

Avengers: Mo' Morbius, Mo' Problems
Avengers: Morbin' Time!

The Morbtastic Mourb post credit stinger is going to get people so hyped for Secret Morbs!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No! Wait! Phase 6 is too early for all that.

Phases 7, 8 and 9 will collectively be known as The Morbius Saga, will culminate in another Avengers double-header:

Avengers: Mo' Morbius, Mo' Problems
Avengers: Morbin' Time!

See, if the Second Season of What If did a single episode covering this, all would be forgiven. We'd be in meme heaven lol.

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
and I'll wager he deals with the IRS in a timely fashion too

Be interesting to see how Daredevil goes, I suspect it wont be full Netflix levels of fisticuffs but then again Moon Knight was messy in parts, and if course Matt best bring Foggy and Karen with him

I would assume so, on the other hand given whats done with Karen in the comic book "born again" that could be.... ugh

Now I'm suddenly in love with the idea that Phases 7, 8 and 9 will be "The Phoenix Saga", and that Marvel Studios will finally do justice to a plot that Fox failed at twice.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Now I'm suddenly in love with the idea that Phases 7, 8 and 9 will be "The Phoenix Saga", and that Marvel Studios will finally do justice to a plot that Fox failed at twice.

And hopefully with better casting too. I was always shocked that they chose Jennifer Lawrence to be Mystique and Sophie Turner of all people to be Jean Grey. Should have had Jennifer Lawrence be a bespoke mutant character given that she was just playing herself again and Sophie Turner really showed her reliance on being part of an ensemble in GoT from the lack of acting chops (script definitely didn't help) in her X-men movies.

I mean, no actors were going to survive giving the Dark Phoenix story to the guy who already failed to do it in Last Stand.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Now I'm suddenly in love with the idea that Phases 7, 8 and 9 will be "The Phoenix Saga", and that Marvel Studios will finally do justice to a plot that Fox failed at twice.

it'd make some sense, to really make dark pheonix hit home you need to 1: develop jean as a character people care about. 2: Develop Jeans RELATIONS to the point where people care about it (dark Pheonix at it's heart was a lvoe tragedy) 3: develop the Pheonix. we need to see Jean hit her height, to the point where she's insanely power and saves the universe.


Dark Pheonix needs to be done in a way so that when it happens... it hurts!
Fox rushed into it knowing the Pheonix story was important.. but not getting WHY

The problem with the dark phoenix story line now is actually making it hurt.

That this one is a clone and the real one will be back later, and Scott will get over it and pop off with yet another clone rather undermines all the stakes.

The writers themselves even parodied how silly it had gotten with a Boys Night Out storyline with a joke alien invasion that was summarily trashed when the X-boys thwarted the deployment of the Jean Bomb[tm] (a redhead that would destroy all relationships and ties). Havok blew up the mothership with a beer in his hand and the Xmen went home. The end.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Now I'm suddenly in love with the idea that Phases 7, 8 and 9 will be "The Phoenix Saga", and that Marvel Studios will finally do justice to a plot that Fox failed at twice.

It'd need to be a slow build, though probably not quite as long and drawn out as the Infinity Stones saga. The problems with the previous attempts were many, but one of the big ones was only giving themselves 3 or 4 films each time, especially when at least one of those generally had nothing to do with the Phoenix storyline other than the existence of Jean Grey as a character. The original X-Men trilogy at least gave us characters we cared about, played by competent actors. The more recent one fell over at the start by miscasting Jean Grey, then utterly failing to write anything compelling after that.

"Hero we care about turns into villain" is a great concept for a multi-movie story arc. The problem is keeping the momentum going for long enough when so much is centred around a single character. At least with the Infinity War stuff you can have completely unrelated characters all involved by way of the Stones. Not sure how you do that with Jean Grey.

How different would a Dark Phoenix storyline be from what Wanda went thru?

 AduroT wrote:
How different would a Dark Phoenix storyline be from what Wanda went thru?

Pretty wildly different.
Female suicide is triumphant heroism over the dangers of unleashed female sexuality rather than female grief excuses torture, for starters.

And yes, that is ugly. But Jean's starting point is very repressed. As she grows darker, she become more sexual (and sexualized). And 'her' death is treated as a noble sacrifice, mostly over her own desires..(and a 'redemption' for all the aliens she kills off screen)

True but still can't shake the feeling that Wanda's arc was mutant free the Disney version of the Phoenix arc, with a skew towards MCU pg-13ness (well besides enslaving a town to play happy ever after)

Considering how terribly they did Hero turns villain with Wanda in MoM, I would have very little faith in yet another attempt at the Dark Phoenix story. Surely there are other compelling stories in the X Men mythos they can explore instead.

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
Considering how terribly they did Hero turns villain with Wanda in MoM, I would have very little faith in yet another attempt at the Dark Phoenix story. Surely there are other compelling stories in the X Men mythos they can explore instead.

Agreed, it would be much more interesting seeing how they would handle the creation of Genosha once Magneto is reestablished as a character.

But Wanda wasn’t hero turned villain, as such.

Her entire life has been one of trauma from a young age. Basically, from the moment her parents are killed? Everyone, in some form or another, sought to use her. First as an experiment, then as a weapon.

It’s pretty upsetting when you think about it. From the age of 8-10 or so, no-one other than her brother (who was also kind of damaged in his own way) treated her as a human

The most interesting aspect of that on the big screen is in an early Civil War scene, when Tony and Steve are arguing. Tony says she’s a weapon. Steve says she’s a kid.

Steve and Tony are both right. Yet neither make that connection. She is a danger. And she is a kid. The two combined are reason for compassion - but also make her a unique threat. So much power, but for reasons beyond her control, not the maturity to restrain them/

And it only gets worse. She meets Vision. The only person to not be scared of her or try to exploit her. We see that in Infinity War, when ultimately they just kind of want to be left alone.

She goes on to lose Vision…..twice. The first time was by her own hand, which would be awful enough - but at least Vision had committed to it, to prevent a greater tragedy. She does it. She’s visibly and incredibly upset….only to see the one they were trying to stop rewind time and kill Vision again.

Then she goes insane, possibly disassociative disorder, and enslaves a town in her insurmountable grief.

She eventually stands down. Only to end up corrupted by the book she hoped would help her.

Wanda is tragedy. Her life is unending tragedy. She’s never truly had agency. She’s had a brief moment of true peace with Vision, only to see it all ripped away in an exceptionally brutal way.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
But Wanda wasn’t hero turned villain, as such.

Of course she was. She's one of the good guys in every movie she's been in (not at the start of Age of Ultron, but certainly by the end), and she's definitely the antagonist of MoM. I actually agree with the rest of your post, just not this opening sentence. Discussing all the things that make Wanda interesting doesn't change the fact that they very much wrote her into heroine turned villain in her last appearance.